Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "Looking for a trade to happen, making stops along the way."

[Forgot About Drai]

I agree with this thought, though Rackell doesn't move the needle enough to be worth moving that 19 year old.

Fair enough. Is there somebody *somewhat* avail you have in mind?

 

[gordonhught]

Fair enough. Is there somebody *somewhat* avail you have in mind?

Nick cousins

 

[McJadeddog]

Is anyone saying we should trade him for a fourth liner?

Yeah, exactly. I actually stated that I thought that Broberg likely had pretty high value. He is a big body who can skate better than 95% of NHL'ers already, as a 19 year old. That is an enticing package for a rebuilding team.

He just doesn't help us win when we need him to, so he should be on the table for an upgrade in the here and now. If you can't find a dance partner, then fine, you obviously don't give him away for nothing.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I've actually said that they're both. Prospect depth is necessary for a competitive team to be sustainable. It offers a steady stream of players who can pitch in on ELCs and contribute for many years in the low end of their expected career earnings. Having an abundance of them gives you options in the trade market. It gives you leverage when the assets that you possess are highly valued.

When a team is in the early stages of building a sustainable prospect system, trading their only blue chip option would have a devastating impact.

I think a player in that ballpark doesn't take a blue chip prospect to acquire. If you're willing to pay that, you're going to run out of valuable assets very early in this process. Particularly when the asset your acquiring doesn't come with a ton of team control. Maybe one or two seasons before you're adding a couple million on the books just to retain them.

Realistically Philip Broberg might get you Rickard Rakell. Add a high pick and your foot's in the door with San Jose for Timo Meier. Both of these players are statistically regressing forwards who have two paths. Either a career rebound resulting in a substantial pay raise or a continued trend of poor production resulting in the death of the asset.

It's incredibly rare you'll see successful teams take those kinds of gambles IMO.

To be fair, I brought up Rakell for broberg lol. Might have been a bad shout by me hahahah

Maybe we should be aiming higher, but the principle is still the same imo

 

[belair]

To be fair, I brought up Rakell for broberg lol. Might have been a bad shout by me hahahah

Maybe we should be aiming higher, but the principle is still the same imo

Those were the two obvious players I had in mind. If we're being realistic, this is the ballpark we're probably working with. Anyone younger than Meier is either unestablished or completely unavailable.

 

[Little Fury]

I've actually said that they're both. Prospect depth is necessary for a competitive team to be sustainable. It offers a steady stream of players who can pitch in on ELCs and contribute for many years in the low end of their expected career earnings. Having an abundance of them gives you options in the trade market. It gives you leverage when the assets that you possess are highly valued.

When a team is in the early stages of building a sustainable prospect system, trading their only blue chip option would have a devastating impact.

Broberg isn't even the best D prospect in the system, let alone the only blue chip prospect.

The Oilers have a middling prospect pool that isn't going to get better if they continue to be a playoff team going forward. The help isn't coming from there.

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Eberle couldn't hold the puck along the wall and take a hit. Less to a goal by Anaheim and everyone jumped on him.

I can’t believe we had:

mcdavid
Draisaitl
RNH
Hall
Eberle

we should be winning cups right now wow

our second line could have been our old top line?

why the hell did we destroy this

 

[belair]

Broberg isn't even the best D prospect in the system, let alone the only blue chip prospect.

Considering Evan Bouchard is probably done with Bakersfield and probably at the top of our NHL RD depth chart in short order, I wouldn't bother counting him as a prospect at this point.

Our current LD depth:

Nurse - untouchable
Klefbom - unknown
Russell - bottom pair

Lagesson - waiver eligible
Jones - waiver eligible

Broberg - blue chip
Samorukov - second pair ceiling
Niemelainen - bottom pair ceiling
Cairns - probably goes unsigned

The Oilers have a middling prospect pool that isn't going to get better if they continue to be a playoff team going forward. The help isn't coming from there.

This is the kind of logic the team likely followed for some 30 years prior to drafting Klefbom. Lack of ability to add depth from the draft resulted in the Oilers pulling in players from the UFA market to fill depth roles. It resulted in doozies like the Ference, Fayne, Nikitin and Sekera contracts just looking at defensemen.

Fortunately this team is playoff calibre without the 'help' in all likelihood. So making permanent long-term decisions in a weak FA market and from poor trade position might be a bad strategy.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

It's gonna be a triple H summer. Hall, Hyman, Hamilton Halak for good measure? Haha

 

[ManofSteel55]

Considering Evan Bouchard is probably done with Bakersfield and probably at the top of our NHL RD depth chart in short order, I wouldn't bother counting him as a prospect at this point.

Our current LD depth:

Nurse - untouchable
Klefbom - unknown
Russell - bottom pair

Lagesson - waiver eligible
Jones - waiver eligible

Broberg - blue chip
Samorukov - second pair ceiling
Niemelainen - bottom pair ceiling
Cairns - probably goes unsigned

We need a 2nd pair LD. We also need to trade Jones or Lagesson. Our defense could be a real train wreck if Adam Larsson doesn't re-sign.

We need to set ourselves up for the present and future here. Chicago apparently doesn't want to qualify Zadorov at his cap hit. Anyone else intrigued by that possibility?

Nurse - Larsson/Bear
Zadorov - Larsson/Bear
Lagesson/Klefbom - Bouchard
Russell (spare)

Jones is traded or taken by Seattle. Broberg and Samurokov get a year in the AHL and get a call up when injuries set in.

 

[McTonyBrar]

To be fair, even in the world top 10 picks, top 4 Dman are HUGE wins, so I think you're jumping the gun a little bit when saying that is the worst case scenario.

I totally understand you like the prospect. A lot of people do. I think hes a decent prospect myself. But I do think since he is 19 and years away from being a meaningful contributor, he should be an asset that is dangled for the right guy. Maybe its Rakell, maybe its a better target, but I think he can be a key piece in a deal.

I respect your reasoning. It makes sense. But, I really like the prospect and I don't want him moved ahaha. I hope I don't sound like our friend who liked Griff Reinhart too much

 

[belair]

We need a 2nd pair LD. We also need to trade Jones or Lagesson. Our defense could be a real train wreck if Adam Larsson doesn't re-sign.

We need to set ourselves up for the present and future here. Chicago apparently doesn't want to qualify Zadorov at his cap hit. Anyone else intrigued by that possibility?

Nurse - Larsson/Bear
Zadorov - Larsson/Bear
Lagesson/Klefbom - Bouchard
Russell (spare)

Jones is traded or taken by Seattle. Broberg and Samurokov get a year in the AHL and get a call up when injuries set in.

We need a defenseman that does a little more than just hit. Zadorov worries me. I wouldn't mind scooping a temporary upgrade in the off-season if the plan was to upgrade on the rental market. But I want to know 100% that Klefbom's done before they spend a dollar on the role.

I also think that one or both of Jones or Lagesson are Oilers in the fall. Seattle's got better options at expansion and neither of those guys have any value right now.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Rakell would be an awful return for Broberg. We need a true 1st line core winger if we move him- Laine, Meier, Svechnikov, Marner, Boeser, etc

Obviously we add in this scenario, but Rakell is not that good and he has no term

 

[ManofSteel55]

We need a defenseman that does a little more than just hit. Zadorov worries me. I wouldn't mind scooping a temporary upgrade in the off-season if the plan was to upgrade on the rental market. But I want to know 100% that Klefbom's done before they spend a dollar on the role.

I also think that one or both of Jones or Lagesson are Oilers in the fall. Seattle's got better options at expansion and neither of those guys have any value right now.

Every team in the league has guys that don't have much value. Holland needs to find a match. I agree that Seattle likely would prefer a forward from us. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they offer to take a cap dump from us, as we don't have anyone overly enticing that we need to make available to them unless Holland gets some trading done before the expansion draft.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Rakell would be an awful return for Broberg. We need a true 1st line core winger if we move him- Laine, Meier, Svechnikov, Marner, Boeser, etc

Broberg isn't returning a player like those.

Ducks fans seemed to be okay with trading Rakell for a 1st and a depth prospect at one time. I can't imagine that we would need to include Broberg.

 

[belair]

Every team in the league has guys that don't have much value. Holland needs to find a match. I agree that Seattle likely would prefer a forward from us. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they offer to take a cap dump from us, as we don't have anyone overly enticing that we need to make available to them unless Holland gets some trading done before the expansion draft.

True. It's a big reason why I've come around on prospect of adding a guy like Jake Debrusk, assuming the Bruins are done with him.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Kadri would be a good add. He can score, plays with an edge and pisses opposing players right off .

The problem is, he gets carried away and gets himself suspended when the team needs him the most...in the playoffs.

This is why I question people who want a guy like Kadri or Wilson. The oilers already get the shaft when it comes to DOPS. Imagine what a guy like Kadri or Wilson would go through in Edmonton. Kassian gets a penalty for looking at some wrong, Kadri or Wilson would get the McSorley treatment and booted from the league lol.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Eberle couldn't hold the puck along the wall and take a hit. Less to a goal by Anaheim and everyone jumped on him.

Weird because he's sure doing that now.

 

[XXIV97]

Weird because he's sure doing that now.

Yup, the difference a good coach makes on a player. I think he lead to one of the Islander's goal in game one by winning a puck battle.

 

[gordonhught]

Yup, the difference a good coach makes on a player. I think he lead to one of the Islander's goal in game one by winning a puck battle.

Or just a more mature player.

 

[yukoner88]

It's gonna be a triple H summer. Hall, Hyman, Hamilton Halak for good measure? Haha

Only if we're using the entrance music from Mötorhead

 

[McChucky]

Broberg isn't returning a player like those.

Ducks fans seemed to be okay with trading Rakell for a 1st and a depth prospect at one time. I can't imagine that we would need to include Broberg.

Flat Cap Era....Broberg is worth a pile. Close to ready...entry deal.....

 

[McChucky]

Hyman and Hall would make me happy.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Flat Cap Era....Broberg is worth a pile. Close to ready...entry deal.....

I know he is worth a pile. But the type of player you are asking for is still worth more.

 

[ManofSteel55]

True. It's a big reason why I've come around on prospect of adding a guy like Jake Debrusk, assuming the Bruins are done with him.

I've come around in the past few days too on Debrusk. As long as we get a bad contract out when we bring him in.