Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "Looking for a trade to happen, making stops along the way."

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It would be so Oilers if they let RNH walk, Hall signs with Boston, and Holland dishes out a ridiculous contract for Hyman. In fact, that is my prediction

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It would be so Oilers if they let RNH walk, Hall signs with Boston, and Holland dishes out a ridiculous contract for Hyman. In fact, that is my prediction

Maybe even better, let Larsson walk he signs with Colorado, they have to give Smith 3 year deal and end up having to keep Koskinen as a 2B goalie.

 

[Little Fury]

At worst, he's a top 4 Dman. At best, he's top pair. He's 19 years old. There is no reason to throw him away like that. It would be so Oilerific if he threw him away for a cost controlled winger who doesn't turn out or leaves after his contract is done. No thank you

Actually him being 19 and several years away is as a good a reason as any to trade him for immediate help up front.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Actually him being 19 and several years away is as a good a reason as any to trade him for immediate help up front.

I agree with this thought, though Rackell doesn't move the needle enough to be worth moving that 19 year old.

 

[McJadeddog]

At worst, he's a top 4 Dman. At best, he's top pair. He's 19 years old. There is no reason to throw him away like that. It would be so Oilerific if he threw him away for a cost controlled winger who doesn't turn out or leaves after his contract is done. No thank you

If Broberg ever turns out, which the jury is still out on, he doesn't help the team win hockey games or playoff series for at least another 2-3 years, maybe not for another 4 years. Our window to win is the next 4 years when we still have McDrai. Broberg should 100% be on the table as a trading chip for somebody who helps us win in the next 4 years. There is no question about that IMO.

 

[belair]

Actually him being 19 and several years away is as a good a reason as any to trade him for immediate help up front.

Our suddenly weak depth at LHD, the seven years of team control he possesses and his tremendous upside are all far more prominent reasons to hold onto him.

 

[Little Fury]

I agree with this thought, though Rackell doesn't move the needle enough to be worth moving that 19 year old.

Yeah I think you could do better than Rakell.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Maybe even better, let Larsson walk he signs with Colorado, they have to give Smith 3 year deal and end up having to keep Koskinen as a 2B goalie.

 

[McJadeddog]

I agree with this thought, though Rackell doesn't move the needle enough to be worth moving that 19 year old.

Yeah I don't know enough about Rakell to say whether he is "the guy" to be targeting, but he certainly seems to fit the mold. Only having 1 year remaining on his deal isn't great, so maybe you'd want him re-signed before making the trade. He appears to still be a 40-45 point/year, secondary-scorer, type guy. I know he has the reputation of being a good 200-foot player as well.

Like I said, maybe it's not him, but something in that rough range is what I would be looking at in a trading partner. 40-50 point winger, who isn't allergic to playing defense, and has 2+ years left on a reasonable deal. I just described a valuable player though, and you have to give up something to get something. I'm not that high on Broberg, but he is almost a for sure bet on at least being a NHL player, with his ridiculous skating ability + size combination. Dmen are hard to figure out when they are young, he could end up being a top-pair guy, or he could end up a third-pairing guy, it really is a guess at this point. But the team that currently has the described winger above would certainly not be out of line in asking for Broberg back in a trade.

Broberg doesn't help us win in our McDrai window, and he has value in a trade (likely lots of value), so therefore he should be on the table to bring in help.

 

[Little Fury]

Our suddenly weak depth at LHD, the seven years of team control he possesses and his tremendous upside are all far more prominent reasons to hold onto him.

None of those reasons are as compelling as the fact he won't help this team win for several years, if at all. He's three years younger than Bouchard who is only just about to make the transition to NHL regular next season, his fourth since his draft year. Assuming a similar development path for Broberg has him sniffing around a spot in 2022-23.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Actually him being 19 and several years away is as a good a reason as any to trade him for immediate help up front.

Quote me on this. Trading away Broberg would be a horrendous move by the team

 

[McTonyBrar]

If Broberg ever turns out, which the jury is still out on, he doesn't help the team win hockey games or playoff series for at least another 2-3 years, maybe not for another 4 years. Our window to win is the next 4 years when we still have McDrai. Broberg should 100% be on the table as a trading chip for somebody who helps us win in the next 4 years. There is no question about that IMO.

I'll repeat what I said above. Trading away Broberg would be a terrible mistake

 

[belair]

None of those reasons are as compelling as the fact he won't help this team win for several years, if at all. He's three years younger than Bouchard who is only just about to make the transition to NHL regular next season, his fourth since his draft year. Assuming a similar development path for Broberg has him sniffing around a spot in 2022-23.

Welcome to prospects. Also known as trade capital when you possess enough of them.

 

[McJadeddog]

I'll repeat what I said above. Trading away Broberg would be a terrible mistake

Even if Broberg turns into a first pairing star (which is unlikely, but could happen), if a Broberg trade results in either a long playoff run, or a cup, which then allows the Oilers to retain McDrai at teh end of their current contracts, the trade would be a HUGE win.

Our window to win is the next 4 years, full stop. We have a situation that only has a few parallels in hockey history, having arguably the two best players in the world on the same team (1st and 5/7th at worst). We cannot let this moment pass without a couple deep runs. If we don't get those runs, we can kiss McDrai goodbye at the end of their contracts. Further to that, even if they do decide to stick around afterwards, we will have wasted their primes and aren't really likely to leverage them into a late-career cup run either.

Again, our window to win is the next 4 years. People need to say that sentence to themselves before they think about any potential move they want the Oilers to make. Does that move help us in the next 4 years? If the answer isn't yes, then don't make that move. Broberg is VERY unlikely to help us win a cup in the next 4 years, therefore he should be a trading chip.

 

[Little Fury]

Welcome to prospects. Also known as trade capital when you possess enough of them.

Our suddenly weak depth at LHD, the seven years of team control he possesses and his tremendous upside are all far more prominent reasons to hold onto him.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Even if Broberg turns into a first pairing star (which is unlikely, but could happen), if a Broberg trade results in either a long playoff run, or a cup, which then allows the Oilers to retain McDrai at teh end of their current contracts, the trade would be a HUGE win.

Our window to win is the next 4 years, full stop. We have a situation that only has a few parallels in hockey history, having arguably the two best players in the world on the same team (1st and 5/7th at worst). We cannot let this moment pass without a couple deep runs. If we don't get those runs, we can kiss McDrai goodbye at the end of their contracts. Further to that, even if they do decide to stick around afterwards, we will have wasted their primes and aren't really likely to leverage them into a late-career cup run either.

Again, our window to win is the next 4 years. People need to say that sentence to themselves before they think about any potential move they want the Oilers to make. Does that move help us in the next 4 years? If the answer isn't yes, then don't make that move.

Just because our window is in the next 4 years doesn't mean that Broberg needs to be traded. Broberg's value isn't high right now so why would we even move him? Unless Broberg brings back a first line winger or a top pairing Dman to play with Nurse, I am not moving him.

 

[Little Fury]

Just because our window is in the next 4 years doesn't mean that Broberg needs to be traded. Broberg's value isn't high right now so why would we even move him? Unless Broberg brings back a first line winger or a top pairing Dman to play with Nurse, I am not moving him.

Is anyone saying we should trade him for a fourth liner?

 

[belair]

What was difficult to understand about that? If Carolina traded away Ryan Suzuki, do you think they'd feel the loss organizationally? Probably not, right? Because they have an embarrassing amount of prospect depth.

If Edmonton traded away a much weaker prospect like Ryan McLeod, it'd have a devastating impact on their forward prospect depth chart. Because it's bad.

 

[McShogun99]

None of those reasons are as compelling as the fact he won't help this team win for several years, if at all. He's three years younger than Bouchard who is only just about to make the transition to NHL regular next season, his fourth since his draft year. Assuming a similar development path for Broberg has him sniffing around a spot in 2022-23.

Bouchard might look 12 years older then Broberg but they’re actually a year and a half apart in age since they were taken in consecutive drafts.

I think the plan is for Bouchard to be an NHL regular this season and Broberg the season after depending on how he does in the AHL.

 

[Little Fury]

What was difficult to understand about that? If Carolina traded away Ryan Suzuki, do you think they'd feel the loss organizationally? Probably not, right? Because they have an embarrassing amount of prospect depth.

If Edmonton traded away a much weaker prospect like Ryan McLeod, it'd have a devastating impact on their forward prospect depth chart. Because it's bad.

How many D prospects do we need exactly before we can actually turn them into trade chips?

If the idea here is to wait until we have "an embarrassing amount of prospect depth" before we can even consider trading any of away for actual help, we're going to be looking at competing sometime in McDavid's 10th season.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I am amused--some people have us moving out assets to move both Koskinen and Neal and then they have us sending out more assets to get Eichel. Love to know where these assets are hiding

 

[belair]

How many D prospects do we need exactly before we can actually turn them into trade chips?

If the idea here is to wait until we have "an embarrassing amount of prospect depth" before we can even consider trading any of away for actual help, we're going to be looking at competing sometime in McDavid's 10th season.

Preferably more than one. This might be a difficult concept to comprehend but a successful team should be able to build a competitive roster on the ice and sustain a consistent stream of NHL calibre prospects simultaneously.

What kind of player are you even targeting with our only blue chip LD defensive prospect? You're not getting an elite forward. That's for certain. So why wouldn't you find another less detrimental method to acquire a comparable player?

The Oilers have a fair amount of cap space opening up, very few long-term contracts committed to and an improving farm system. What you're suggesting a very permanent high-risk decision. And the payoff seems fairly low considering the current value of the asset.

Broberg has more value to us than he would to anyone else.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Preferably more than one. This might be a difficult concept to comprehend but a successful team should be able to build a competitive roster on the ice and sustain a consistent stream of NHL calibre prospects simultaneously.

What kind of player are you even targeting with our only blue chip LD defensive prospect? You're not getting an elite forward. That's for certain. So why wouldn't you find another less detrimental method to acquire a comparable player?

The Oilers have a fair amount of cap space opening up, very few long-term contracts committed to and an improving farm system. What you're suggesting a very permanent high-risk decision. And the payoff seems fairly low considering the current value of the asset.

Broberg has more value to us than he would to anyone else.

You can not like the pick all day, but this isn't true in the slightest. There are plenty of teams in different situations that would value a high drafted, excellent skating 19 year old defenseman.

 

[McDrai]

Maybe even better, let Larsson walk he signs with Colorado, they have to give Smith 3 year deal and end up having to keep Koskinen as a 2B goalie.

I'd throw in the towel if that happened

 

[Little Fury]

Preferably more than one. This might be a difficult concept to comprehend but a successful team should be able to build a competitive roster on the ice and sustain a consistent stream of NHL calibre prospects simultaneously.

Good thing the Oilers are actually awash in D prospects then.

What kind of player are you even targeting with our only blue chip LD defensive prospect? You're not getting an elite forward. That's for certain. So why wouldn't you find another less detrimental method to acquire a comparable player?

This sounds a lot like "why don't you try and offer worse players to get good players instead?" to me.

The Oilers have a fair amount of cap space opening up, very few long-term contracts committed to and an improving farm system. What you're suggesting a very permanent high-risk decision. And the payoff seems fairly low considering the current value of the asset.

Broberg has more value to us than he would to anyone else.

What's the risk here, really? That we trade Broberg and he turns into the next Hedman? Seems like a pretty unlikely outcome.

Also it seems contradictory to suggest this player has such great value to the Oilers but would be worthless as a trade chip.