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[NotAVacuumSalesman]

Why would Carolina prioritize signing 3 goaltenders instead of their #1 defenceman?

It's an example of how much cap space is available assuming those were the numbers the goalies would get.

I went Svech, Dougie, and then the goalies as priorities.

How much cap hit would you allocate into the goalies? Is there enough space to fit the other RFAs and UFAs?

If we go back to the norm pre-pandemic where 2 goalies is all that we needed and say Reimer gets traded for whatever reason. Free up say 3-4M from him alone, I'm not sure if that's enough to cover the other guys not signed.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Ken Holland doesn't have a little problem with Edmonton Oilers' depth lines. He has a BIG problem. | Edmonton Journal

Interesting read.

I don't think any big ticket players are what's needed. Just some reliable depth that can actually play when McDrai are on the bench.

Reliable depth would be huge. The longer we go without seeing this team on the ice, the more I am hoping we just purge the bottom six and move on. We re-signed Shore, I'm okay with that if he is playing the 13th forward/injury fill-in role, but aside from that, the only bottom six guys I want back from last year are McLeod and Archibald. Don't give a QO to Khaira. Find a taker for Kassian. Buy out Neal. Haas is gone already, which is good as it means we can play an actual NHL player there. Find a 3rd line that actually looks and feels like a 3rd line instead of a 2nd fourth line. And have a 4th line that isn't an AHL replacement line.

 

[McDNicks17]

Ken Holland doesn't have a little problem with Edmonton Oilers' depth lines. He has a BIG problem. | Edmonton Journal

Interesting read.

I don't think any big ticket players are what's needed. Just some reliable depth that can actually play when McDrai are on the bench.

The worst part of the depth is that it's so bad that there's basically no trickle down effect when you add to the top of the roster. Like normally when you add a top6 winger, everyone else gets knocked down a rung and they end up playing where they should.

To me, the Oilers could add two top six LWers and a top six RWer and they'd still be looking for a legitimate third line quality LWer and C for the third line.

 

[CupofOil]

Ken Holland doesn't have a little problem with Edmonton Oilers' depth lines. He has a BIG problem. | Edmonton Journal

Interesting read.

I don't think any big ticket players are what's needed. Just some reliable depth that can actually play when McDrai are on the bench.

He's not wrong about the bottom 6 being a problem, to state the obvious, but he's wrong with his assessment compared to the '16-'17 team. The '16-'17 team had scoring depth issues too and their 2nd line center barely broke 40 points on a 2nd line that was a drag most of the season so not sure why McCurdy uses that team as some kind of model to aspire to. The last Oiler team that had scoring depth was '05-'06 especially after the deadline additions.

Also, the problems lie deeper than the bottom 6. The Oilers need a top 6 winger because this team will never, EVER, win anything if they have to stack McDavid and Draisaitl on the top line because the top 6 wingers aren't reliable enough. I'd argue that's an even bigger problem. Even with a bottom 6 that struggles somewhat, McDavid and Draisaitl anchoring two reliable scoring lines would be a huge boost. It's a luxury that no other team has with two league MVP's running two separate lines. They can't do that now because they're relying on the Kahuns of the world.

All they need in the bottom 6 is players who don't get slaughtered at even strength, they don't even need plus scorers necessarily. They need more reliability in the bottom 6, a legit 3rd line center namely.

 

[TFHockey]

Hi fellow Oiler fans,

How do you all feel about the Oilers signing a few UFAs this year? I have one I'd like to discuss;

David Krejci, one year, $5 Million full NM/NTC. Why?

1. I think it'll take an offer like that to get him to sign here.
2. Krejci can play a league best 3c role and...
3. Pop into the 2c role when Tippett wants to overload the top line with McDavid and Draisaitl
4. RNH gets signed and stays as a winger or moves down to 3C as required

 

[McDoused]

It's an example of how much cap space is available assuming those were the numbers the goalies would get.

I went Svech, Dougie, and then the goalies as priorities.

How much cap hit would you allocate into the goalies? Is there enough space to fit the other RFAs and UFAs?

I think that Dougie has priced himself out of Carolina but I'm just pointing out that it won't be because they spend 13M in goaltending, that's for sure. It also whoever they lose in expansion. If they lose Skjei they would have enough for dougie.

Looking at it on the fly it looks like they have 29.4M in cap space to sign 11 players.

Reimer - 3
Ned - 3
Svechnikov - 6
Hamilton - 7.5
Martinook - 2.5
Bean - 2
Jarvis -0.9
Rees - 0.83
=25.73

So that's 3.37M for 3 guys (2 depth forwards and a #7 Defenceman).

You can see that their cap is tight but fitting Dougie in at a reasonable number isn't impossible. I've seen one Carolina media person saying they should expose Foegele in hopes that they don't take Bean/Skjei, so if he goes I think those numbers can work.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Oilers gotta fork out the cash or players to upgrade. Jones or Hamilton with Nurse = best pair in the NHL.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Hi fellow Oiler fans,

How do you all feel about the Oilers signing a few UFAs this year? I have one I'd like to discuss;

David Krejci, one year, $5 Million full NM/NTC. Why?

1. I think it'll take an offer like that to get him to sign here.
2. Krejci can play a league best 3c role and...
3. Pop into the 2c role when Tippett wants to overload the top line with McDavid and Draisaitl
4. RNH gets signed and stays as a winger or moves down to 3C as required

If he bites, I would do it all day.

 

[ManofSteel55]

The worst part of the depth is that it's so bad that there's basically no trickle down effect when you add to the top of the roster. Like normally when you add a top6 winger, everyone else gets knocked down a rung and they end up playing where they should.

To me, the Oilers could add two top six LWers and a top six RWer and they'd still be looking for a legitimate third line quality LWer and C for the third line.

I agree with this completely. I want to knock Yamamoto down to the 3rd line, but then we need to not only find two guys who can play 3rd line and contribute alongside him, but we need to ensure that those two guys complement his style and make up for his weaknesses (lack of size/strength).
New - McDavid - Puljuarvi
Nuge/New - Draisaitl - New
New - New - Yamamoto
New - McLeod - Archibald/Kassian (barf)
Shore

We essentially need to fill 7 forward roster spots if we don't re-sign Nuge, and we need to do it with guys who aren't total bums. I know that Holland has a history of finding some good players in the bargain bin, but 7 guys in one offseason isn't something I think we can expect. Especially when he also has to move out dead weight in Kassian, Koskinen and Neal, find a guy who can replace Klefbom if we need, and sign two new goalies (if Smith isn't back).

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers gotta fork out the cash or players to upgrade. Jones or Hamilton with Nurse = best pair in the NHL.

No on Jones. He has one year left, he wants to test free agency next summer, which gives us a significant disadvantage in re-signing him, and apparently he wants to play in the US, which gives us another disadvantage. Hamilton, absoltuley, if he will sign here for a reasonable amount. Let's us shop Ethan Bear for a forward, and Bear is one of the few roster players that aren't core pieces that we can actually trade in my opinion.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Keep RNH and get Tierney for 3C

I’m game for that

Tierney, DeBrusk, Strome, re-sign Nuge & Larsson, then look for cheap depth & a Klefbom replacement if he still isn't ready to go (or LTIRetires).

 

[ManofSteel55]

Hi fellow Oiler fans,

How do you all feel about the Oilers signing a few UFAs this year? I have one I'd like to discuss;

David Krejci, one year, $5 Million full NM/NTC. Why?

1. I think it'll take an offer like that to get him to sign here.
2. Krejci can play a league best 3c role and...
3. Pop into the 2c role when Tippett wants to overload the top line with McDavid and Draisaitl
4. RNH gets signed and stays as a winger or moves down to 3C as required

We absolutley have to sign at least a couple of UFA's this summer. A one year deal for Krejci should be a no brainer for us. I can't imagine he chooses Edmonton though. We've been passed over far too many times for me to expect that, ha ha. I would want him for the 3C role if we signed him.
?? - McDavid - Pulujarvi
?? - Draisaitl - Yamamoto/??
??/Holloway/McLeod - Krejci - ??/Yamamoto

 

[jukon]

A couple of Boston's free agents (Krejci and Rask) have already stated to the media that Boston is their home and they can't imagine playing anywhere else.

 

[Fourier]

Krejci it seems has said that he does not seem himself playing for any team but the Bruins in the NHL. Supposedly his back-up plan would be to go back home.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I agree with this completely. I want to knock Yamamoto down to the 3rd line, but then we need to not only find two guys who can play 3rd line and contribute alongside him, but we need to ensure that those two guys complement his style and make up for his weaknesses (lack of size/strength).
New - McDavid - Puljuarvi
Nuge/New - Draisaitl - New
New - New - Yamamoto
New - New - Archibald/Kassian (barf)
Shore

We essentially need to fill 7 forward roster spots if we don't re-sign Nuge, and we need to do it with guys who aren't total bums. I know that Holland has a history of finding some good players in the bargain bin, but 7 guys in one offseason isn't something I think we can expect. Especially when he also has to move out dead weight in Kassian, Koskinen and Neal, find a guy who can replace Klefbom if we need, and sign two new goalies (if Smith isn't back).

Dear gawd, why keep anyone at this point, Looking at the roster that the Oilers ended the, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you describe.

Here's my

UFA/Trade - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Nuge/UFA/Trade - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Kahun/UFA - UFA/Trade - Archibald
UFA - McLeod - Kassian
Khaira, Shore, UFA

Nurse - UFA/Trade (Seth Jones ideally)/Bear(if not traded for someone)
UFA/Trade - Larsson
Jones/Lagesson - Bouchard
Russell, Lagesson/Jones

UFA/Trade
Smith
Stalock

 

[Fourier]

A couple of Boston's free agents (Krejci and Rask) have already stated to the media that Boston is their home and they can't imagine playing anywhere else.

I think we will see more of this. Covid has probably opened up some player's eyess about the value of time vs money. When you have made 10's of millions of doallrs already up-ending your life to chase a few more may now look less inviting.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Do we really think the oilers will be in on Dylan strome? We should just got for both stromes

 

[McDNicks17]

He's not wrong about the bottom 6 being a problem, to state the obvious, but he's wrong with his assessment compared to the '16-'17 team. The '16-'17 team had scoring depth issues too and their 2nd line center barely broke 40 points on a 2nd line that was a drag most of the season so not sure why McCurdy uses that team as some kind of model to aspire to. The last Oiler team that had scoring depth was '05-'06 especially after the deadline additions.

Also, the problems lie deeper than the bottom 6. The Oilers need a top 6 winger because this team will never, EVER, win anything if they have to stack McDavid and Draisaitl on the top line because the top 6 wingers aren't reliable enough. I'd argue that's an even bigger problem. Even with a bottom 6 that struggles somewhat, McDavid and Draisaitl anchoring two reliable scoring lines would be a huge boost. It's a luxury that no other team has with two league MVP's running two separate lines. They can't do that now because they're relying on the Kahuns of the world.

All they need in the bottom 6 is players who don't get slaughtered at even strength, they don't even need plus scorers necessarily. They need more reliability in the bottom 6, a legit 3rd line center namely.

The bottom six didn't score a whole lot more in 16/17, but they were vastly better defensively. That's been the team's issue in the past few seasons. The scoring is below average, but the defense is waaaaaay below average.

McLellan used McDrai in more defensive situations which helped the bottom six a lot. I don't know if they'll be able to find good enough bottom six players to get back to breaking even like they did in 16/17 with the way Tippett uses them.

 

[McDoused]

What does everyone think of Mike Hoffman?

Maybe offer him some more term to bring that number down. So maybe 4x4?

Still capable of scoring 30 goals and 60-70 points.

 

[jukon]

What does everyone think of Mike Hoffman?

Maybe offer him some more term to bring that number down. So maybe 4x4?

Still capable of scoring 30 goals and 60-70 points.

The problem with Hoffman is he is more of a PP guy. He's not a great option for EV scoring.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Tierney, DeBrusk, Strome, re-sign Nuge & Larsson, then look for cheap depth & a Klefbom replacement if he still isn't ready to go (or LTIRetires).

I'd be okay with Rakell and I really want Goodrow for the 3rd line, but expect he gets a huge overpayment.

What do your lines look like with the guys you suggested added? Tierney as 3C, Debrusk with McDavid, Nuge on Drai's wing? Where does Strome fit?

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

I think that Dougie has priced himself out of Carolina but I'm just pointing out that it won't be because they spend 13M in goaltending, that's for sure. It also whoever they lose in expansion. If they lose Skjei they would have enough for dougie.

Looking at it on the fly it looks like they have 29.4M in cap space to sign 11 players.

Reimer - 3
Ned - 3
Svechnikov - 6
Hamilton - 7.5
Martinook - 2.5
Bean - 2
Jarvis -0.9
Rees - 0.83
=25.73

So that's 3.37M for 3 guys (2 depth forwards and a #7 Defenceman).

You can see that their cap is tight but fitting Dougie in at a reasonable number isn't impossible. I've seen one Carolina media person saying they should expose Foegele in hopes that they don't take Bean/Skjei, so if he goes I think those numbers can work.

You're right, a lot has to depend on how much Svech will get on his new contract, Dougie's asking price, and who they lose in the ED.

The ED being the bigger wildcard of the 3.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The problem with Hoffman is he is more of a PP guy. He's not a great option for EV scoring.

That's fine, they get a shot on PP1, with 2 great passers out there. If Nuge leaves, it covers that.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Dear gawd, why keep anyone at this point, Looking at the roster that the Oilers ended the, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you describe.

Here's my

UFA/Trade - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Nuge/UFA/Trade - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Kahun/UFA - UFA/Trade - Archibald
UFA - McLeod - Kassian
Khaira, Shore, UFA

Nurse - UFA/Trade (Seth Jones ideally)/Bear(if not traded for someone)
UFA/Trade - Larsson
Jones/Lagesson - Bouchard
Russell, Lagesson/Jones

UFA/Trade
Smith
Stalock

It's pretty bad. Kassian and Archibald are both bottom line guys. Archie can move up. Kassian can some days, but that's a problem in itself. I expect Khaira to not be qualified. He makes too much to be a 4th liner. I'm not sure what I expect Holland to do with Kahun, he's still inexpensive so I can see him back, but I don't know where he fits.

Oh, and let's not sell the farm for Seth Jones. We need more than a rental.

EDIT - Forgot McLeod in my earlier layout. That was an error, I have added him as 4C.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I'd be okay with Rakell and I really want Goodrow for the 3rd line, but expect he gets a huge overpayment.

What do your lines look like with the guys you suggested added? Tierney as 3C, Debrusk with McDavid, Nuge on Drai's wing? Where does Strome fit?

Strome and Tierney on the 3rd line, with the ability for Strome & DeBrusk to switch spots depending on who's performing. If we end up keeping Kassian, giving him some skill to play with on the 3rd line might help -- he can play with skill.