No. He gives up soft goals on the regular. It caused the team to play differently in front of him compared to Smith.
They didn’t trust he would make the saves.
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No. He gives up soft goals on the regular. It caused the team to play differently in front of him compared to Smith.
They didn’t trust he would make the saves.
I know. But do we really have to slander the shit out of the guy everyday until he's gone? Lol.
Koskinen is a better goalie than Stalock. Koskinen is a fine backup who had a really bad year last season, however better goalies have had worse years. The hate he gets is over the top, and I'm totally comfortable with him as a 1B goalie. I'd be way more concerned about Smith reverting to the .902 goalie from a couple of years ago if I was Holland. It's the two of them together that is the potential issue in my opinion, because I think it's unlikely that Koskinen repeats last year's performance. You can platoon two goalies all you want, but if both are below .910, you're probably not going anywhere.
Neither goalie is able to play 40 games effectively. So having them as a 1a, 1b is bad
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Wouldn't they try to play better defense if they didn't trust him to make saves though?
They allowed significantly higher chances with Koskinen in net.
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Things were relatively close. They allowed more shots and chances with Koskinen but far more rush attempts with Smith
That would be what I'd expect if a team was "trying to play better defense" because they didn't trust their goaltender.
If you don't trust your goaltender you over play and get burned instead of just cleaning up passing lanes, limiting secondary opportunities and boxing guys out. Instead you over play because you think you will get scored on clean shots that are in normal coverage, so you gamble to get rid of the chance entirely and when it doesn't work you give up a one timer with secondary opportunities.
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Which superseded the vitriol towards RNH.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Strome.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Eberle.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Petry.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Gagner and Cogliano.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Gilbert.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Lupul.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Cleary.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Poti.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Hamrlik.
Which superseded the vitriol towards McAmmond.
Which superseded the vitriol towards McGillis.
Which superseded the vitriol towards Arnott.
Oiler fans are pretty good at running players out of town who go on to have successful careers elsewhere. Surprising that Nuge managed to stick it out. Maybe we're losing our edge.
Koskinen might not go on to do anything anywhere else, but that list is not too shabby.
I can't use more time on this, but I checked his first ten games and at least in those games he didn't allow any goals from the first shot (as often mentioned here), not even close. Here are the times of the first goals in those games:
15:32
23:24
6:50
9:54
46:44
25:55
10:41
5:14
9:29
17:46
Maybe the rest of the season will reveal something else, I might take a look at that at some point.
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So a goal in the first 10 minutes in 5 out of 10 games. Is that normal? I honestly have no idea haha
Oilers fans love to focus their disdain on a single player & there's a heavy recency bias involved in picking that player. The last thing Oilers fans remember Koskinen doing was allowing 4 goals on 4 shots.
It's also why some fans will insist Kassian hasn't been very good since the 2017 playoffs even though he had back-to-back career years AFTER that.
is this really plausible? I’m not overly familiar with Stalock’s game. Was he posting starter numbers? Maybe we see the three headed dragon, this year? All 3 goalies posting a 0.915 or higher would be amazing
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Deserved. He is what he is but the lack of emotion and fire pisses me off the most.
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Koskinen always seems to give up early goals and the team looks incredibly shaky in front of him regularly. He is 6'6" but plays like he's 5'11".
No he didn't. Also, it's not just about his stats. You have to compare the team how they play when Smith is in net and when Koski is in net. The team is scared and they second think what they are doing because their scared of the guy in net. The defence especially
Which Koskinen have you been watching? Rough year? He's been awful every season. Allowing bad goals on the regular, not showing any improvement in his glove hand or his lateral movement and, most importantly, not having the mental strength needed after allowing a bad goal or starting a game
I think some people should learn the distinction between criticism and toxicity.
Thinking the Oilers need to do better than Koskinen? Fair. Criticizing his level of play? Fair. The actual, almost personal hatred of the man? That's not good. It's self-defeating & informs part of the handicap the Oilers take into every free agency and trade discussion.
I don't know, maybe not, but some rough calculations suggest each goalie should allow a goal from the first shot several times per season (even 8-10 times if I got it correctly). No sign from that at least in those first games.
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So maybe Koskinen has actually been better as all in all his stats are comparable with Smith but he's had to play with a worse performing team
I don't hate the man. I hate the game he plays. He hasn't shown any improvement after each season. It's just the same old. Smith actually did something. He hired a goalie coach to help him
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Davo Ikinzom
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So maybe Koskinen has actually been better as all in all his stats are comparable with Smith but he's had to play with a worse performing team
This just reads like the bargaining stage of grief now that we basically know we're going with Smith-Koskinen again.
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