Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: ... Silent Night

[Oilhawks]

LeBrun on the Hall trade:

Calgary Flames

I think Calgary went a little harder than people realize. And I’m not so sure the Flames don’t think that what they were willing to pay package-wise wasn’t just as good as what Arizona did. That’s probably a little frustrating for Calgary, seeing as Hall went to a division rival. Not to mention the fact that Hall spent part of his youth in Calgary, which might have given the Flames a leg up on signing him.


Edmonton Oilers

There were several conversations between Shero and Oilers GM Ken Holland throughout the process, including two to three chats over the weekend. But in the end, the prospect I believe New Jersey would have targetted, Philip Broberg, was off the table from the Oilers’ point of view, which was a smart decision. Evan Bouchard was also off the table. And I don’t think Holland would have spent the first-round pick, either. It’s just not time for Edmonton to pay that kind of price. There’s not enough depth in this organization to do that. However, it was smart of Holland to stay in the conversation. If the market started to shrink and the price dropped, New Jersey knew what Edmonton was willing to pay. It just didn’t drop that far.

Sounds like Tre really struck out.

 

[joestevens29]

You could be right about Krieder not signing long term....he wouldnt cost much as a rental though.

I wouldnt sign Hall long term. I dont think he will cover that bet.
I am not at all disappointed Holland didnt give up assets to get Hall.

I really don't see the point of going after too many UFA's unless they don't' cost a lot asset wise.

We aren't one player away from being a contender and have numerous holes that need to be filled. If we are giving up 4 or 5 assets it better be for someone that we guarantee have for more than the remainder of the season.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

It's not over yet. We can send a 1st a 2nd from 2021 and a conditional prospect to the Coyotes for Hall.

Good to know you're still crying from yesterday.

 

[soothsayer]

When should the Oilers actually go for it, then? It seems to me that people think the Oilers should already be a contender before they actually get help, as opposed to getting help to make them a contender.

I wonder if there are people who wouldn't have given up a 1st from the Oilers but also think Arizona made a smart move in acquiring Hall. I then wonder what difference those same people see between the Oilers and the Coyotes, given that the two teams are tied for the division lead. Arizona obviously recognized Hall as a kind of check valve on its divisional standing.

I suppose I wonder, at what point does this team and some fans stop fetishizing okay prospects and draft picks and take a damn chance.

 

[joestevens29]

Seems like this would be a perfect fit for Sven Baertschi if the Canucks would retain half his salary, especially if the Oilers are going to continue rolling with the three centres split up. Offensively creative playmaker who can skate and make some room for himself. I think he would be a good fit with Draisaitl, or on the wing with McDavid and Kassian.

For some reason I thought he made more. Heck next year his actual salary is only 2.4mil. Might be a good candidate for a team like Ottawa that likes to spend less and have a higher cap hit.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Since we were going after Hall and missed out, I think the next potential target would be Stamkos. I recalled watching a video where Stamkos said he'd love to play with McDavid one day. Tbay is reeling a bit and out of a playoff spot. I say buy low now. What would it take to get Stamkos? If some fans here think we can dish out 9mill per season for Hall, I think 8.5mill per season for the next five should be affordable for us.

 

[guymez]

I really don't see the point of going after too many UFA's unless they don't' cost a lot asset wise.

We aren't one player away from being a contender and have numerous holes that need to be filled. If we are giving up 4 or 5 assets it better be for someone that we guarantee have for more than the remainder of the season.

I agree...another reason why I am happy Holland didnt get Hall.
Some of the 2nd/3rd tier players would be fine IMO.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

LeBrun on the Hall trade:


Sounds like Tre really struck out.

he almost got Hall like he almost got Zucker last year

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Since we were going after Hall and missed out, I think the next potential target would be Stamkos. I recalled watching a video where Stamkos said he'd love to play with McDavid one day. Tbay is reeling a bit and out of a playoff spot. I say buy low now. What would it take to get Stamkos? If some fans here think we can dish out 9mill per season for Hall, I think 8.5mill per season for the next five should be affordable for us.

This is pretty nonsensical for a number of reasons.

 

[CupofOil]

Lebrun's quote for those who wanted the Oilers to pay the hefty price for rental Hall...

"And I don’t think Holland would have spent the first-round pick, either. It’s just not time for Edmonton to pay that kind of price. There’s not enough depth in this organization to do that."

Well said Pierre and this sentiment seems to be echoed throughout the hockey community.
The Oilers just don't have the depth on the roster or in the pipeline to make a pricey trade for a rental.
This doesn't mean that Holland shouldn't go after some less expensive rentals but the top end rentals should be reserved for the true contenders that are one piece away from Cup contention and have enough depth in the pipeline to absorb the loss of good prospects and picks.

This is why I think it will be a regrettable trade for Arizona if/when they don't win the Cup and Hall walks. I don't think this vaults them into Cup contention but we'll see. I see them as Columbus of last year, a bubble team vaulted into a 2nd round contender. I'm willing to eat crow if they win the Cup and/or Hall signs a reasonable long term deal but I don't see either happening.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Lebrun's quote for those who wanted the Oilers to pay the hefty price for rental Hall...

"And I don’t think Holland would have spent the first-round pick, either. It’s just not time for Edmonton to pay that kind of price. There’s not enough depth in this organization to do that."

Well said Pierre and this sentiment seems to be echoed throughout the hockey community.
The Oilers just don't have the depth on the roster or in the pipeline to make a pricey trade for a rental.
This doesn't mean that Holland shouldn't go after some less expensive rentals but the top end rentals should be reserved for the true contenders that are one piece away from Cup contention and have enough depth in the pipeline to absorb the loss of good prospects and picks.

This is why I think it will be a regrettable trade for Arizona if/when they don't win the Cup and Hall walks. I don't think this vaults them into Cup contention but we'll see. I see them as Columbus of last year, a bubble team vaulted into a 2nd round contender. I'm willing to eat crow if they win the Cup and/or Hall signs a reasonable long term deal but I don't see either happening.

They don't have the depth because their drafting/development is ass. Haven't produced a single top 6 winger since Eberle.

I've also been assured many times that wingers are easy to acquire.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

LeBrun on the Hall trade:


Sounds like Tre really struck out.

Thats ok. He hit a homer with Lucic.

 

[The Hound]

Now we're getting so desperate we're going after that dog Kovy? I think a retired Kovalev is still better than the Kovalchuk today. Maybe Holland should get Jagr while he's at it.

I was replying to a poster who wanted opinions on Kovy at league minimum, and I gave mine. I am not saying Holland better be spamming Kovy’s agents phone since there are no other options...

Don’t tease me with Jags, I’d buy that jersey in a heartbeat.

 

[CupofOil]

They don't have the depth because their drafting/development is ass. Haven't produced a single top 6 winger since Eberle.

I've also been assured many times that wingers are easy to acquire.

They are, for GMs negotiating with Chiarelli.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Lebrun's quote for those who wanted the Oilers to pay the hefty price for rental Hall...

"And I don’t think Holland would have spent the first-round pick, either. It’s just not time for Edmonton to pay that kind of price. There’s not enough depth in this organization to do that."

Well said Pierre and this sentiment seems to be echoed throughout the hockey community.
The Oilers just don't have the depth on the roster or in the pipeline to make a pricey trade for a rental.
This doesn't mean that Holland shouldn't go after some less expensive rentals but the top end rentals should be reserved for the true contenders that are one piece away from Cup contention and have enough depth in the pipeline to absorb the loss of good prospects and picks.

This is why I think it will be a regrettable trade for Arizona if/when they don't win the Cup and Hall walks. I don't think this vaults them into Cup contention but we'll see. I see them as Columbus of last year, a bubble team vaulted into a 2nd round contender. I'm willing to eat crow if they win the Cup and/or Hall signs a reasonable long term deal but I don't see either happening.

Arizona needs to generate something in their market though and this kind of deal and mild Playoff success could do just that.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

They are, for GMs negotiating with Chiarelli.

Well he's been gone for a while yet and we still have zero top 6 wingers.

Watching the game last night, I couldn't help but imagine adding Hall and subtracting someone like Khaira and thinking of how much difference it would make. Nothing against JJ but holy shit that was an atrocious game.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Well he's been gone for a while yet and we still have zero top 6 wingers.

Watching the game last night, I couldn't help but imagine adding Hall and subtracting someone like Khaira and thinking of how much difference it would make. Nothing against JJ but holy **** that was an atrocious game.

probably still a win

 

[replacement]

I wonder if there are people who wouldn't have given up a 1st from the Oilers but also think Arizona made a smart move in acquiring Hall. I then wonder what difference those same people see between the Oilers and the Coyotes, given that the two teams are tied for the division lead. Arizona obviously recognized Hall as a kind of check valve on its divisional standing.

I suppose I wonder, at what point does this team and some fans stop fetishizing okay prospects and draft picks and take a damn chance.

It's actually pretty damned simple. Coyotes have been consistently good defensively, and in goal all season long. They've been top 3 at 10 games, 20 games, and now at 35 games in GA/G.

The Oilers were top 10 for a while, but have absolutely fallen off a cliff in GA lately.

So, the equation for the Coyotes to this point in the season is VERY easy: Get more scoring to go with the good goaltending and defence.

The Oilers equation is obviously not that easy. Get more scoring to go with... Goaltending and defence that's been bottom half of the league for 15 games?

In the Coyotes position, you're a little more willing to give up major assets, because you have more clarity on the teams overall results. In the Oilers position, you're probably thinking, "maybe there's something we can do without having to give up so much".

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

probably still a win

Probably win in Minnesota too.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Probably win in Minnesota too.

why, Hall plays goal as well?

 

[GodPucker]

I was listening to Stauffer for a few minutes. I already know they got money, but not how much.

Must be nice for teams like Phoenix to collect 15-25 million per year from other franchises.

 

[CupofOil]

Well he's been gone for a while yet and we still have zero top 6 wingers.

Watching the game last night, I couldn't help but imagine adding Hall and subtracting someone like Khaira and thinking of how much difference it would make. Nothing against JJ but holy **** that was an atrocious game.

Ok but this have little to do with the points I was making in my post.
Everybody and their dog knows that the Oilers need depth scoring.

 

[soothsayer]

It's actually pretty damned simple. Coyotes have been consistently good defensively, and in goal all season long. They've been top 3 at 10 games, 20 games, and now at 35 games in GA/G.

The Oilers were top 10 for a while, but have absolutely fallen off a cliff in GA lately.

So, the equation for the Coyotes to this point in the season is VERY easy: Get more scoring to go with the good goaltending and defence.

The Oilers equation is obviously not that easy. Get more scoring to go with... Goaltending and defence that's been bottom half of the league for 15 games?

In the Coyotes position, you're a little more willing to give up major assets, because you have more clarity on the teams overall results. In the Oilers position, you're probably thinking, "maybe there's something we can do without having to give up so much".

Okay, I wont get into a discussion about how adding a top-line winger would positively affect the bottom six (for the record, i don't get how it's not clear to people like Rishaug that adding a top-line winger is a top-down approach to addressing the bottom six) but would you say the situation would have been different had Hall been a defenseman?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

why, Hall plays goal as well?

Smith sucked that game but Khaira was a turnover machine too. Directly led to the 2-1 goal by the Wild and the Oilers never fully recovered from it.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Ok but this have little to do with the points I was making in my post.
Everybody and their dog knows that the Oilers need depth scoring.

And yet we still cling to futures that will likely never pan out, especially those up front.