ATD: Rules - Discussion - Trades Thread

[Michael Farkas]

In football, it's a lot more likely that your best could be your first 3 seasons than it is in hockey.

Perhaps. But the common thread is super athletes with limited adaptability/scalable skills. Hockey ex. Phaneuf; Football ex. Clowney.

 

[GKJ]

Perhaps. But the common thread is super athletes with limited adaptability/scalable skills. Hockey ex. Phaneuf; Football ex. Clowney.

Clowney only has reached a certain level, far below what was expected. He also battled injuries early, but even though he went to pro bowls, I’d say he’s multiple levels down from what Jefferson has on his accomplished. I have a name that I believe fits better what you’re saying but don’t want to say it yet.

 

[Hasbro]

I wanted to get after Ken Riley. For one, he played the same side of the field as Mel Blount (at the same time as him), was a bit concerned he was too far under the radar. Very strange resume. He has the numbers, and was just inducted into the Hall of Fame (took too long), but zero Pro Bowls, yet one all-pro and it was his last season.

Also was converted to corner from QB at training camp.

Most underrated Corner ever. Had the bad timing to peak in an era crowded with dominant defenses. The Steel Curtain, Doomsday Defense, No Name Defense, Purple People Eaters and Orange Crush ate up the headlines.

I will say this about Madden, the Al Davis head dealt with wasn’t near as erratic as the one Tom Flores won two Super Bowls with.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Clowney only has reached a certain level, far below what was expected. He also battled injuries early, but even though he went to pro bowls, I’d say he’s multiple levels down from what Jefferson has on his accomplished. I have a name that I believe fits better what you’re saying but don’t want to say it yet.

Right, yeah, this wasn't about Jefferson really. I'm quite sure he's going to be a WR for the ages. But my overarching point was that it's often a case of a player who is physically dominant that peaks early, but has little staying power later because he gets found out. They get tape on him. Other players adjust, and he doesn't.

Clowney was a 1OA. Second-Team All Pro in his first full season, a couple pro bowls thereafter. Then a journeyman by age 25 or whatever.

I'm sure there are better names, I just picked a convenient one because I was looking at some tape on him to see if he ever got any better just by happenstance today haha

 

[DaaaaB's]

I will say this about Madden, the Al Davis head dealt with wasn’t near as erratic as the one Tom Flores won two Super Bowls with.

Erratic as he was, Davis was great at finding talent for both those guys. He dropped off in the late 80's and much moreso in the 2000's.

 

[Hasbro]

Erratic as he was, Davis was great at finding talent for both those guys. He dropped off in the late 80's and much moreso in the 2000's.

I'd put benching Marcus Allen as his turning point.

 

[GKJ]

Most underrated Corner ever. Had the bad timing to peak in an era crowded with dominant defenses. The Steel Curtain, Doomsday Defense, No Name Defense, Purple People Eaters and Orange Crush ate up the headlines.

I will say this about Madden, the Al Davis head dealt with wasn’t near as erratic as the one Tom Flores won two Super Bowls with.

Maybe Madden was just the universal counterbalance, because Al wasn’t necessarily known to be tempered during the AFL years.

 

[Tony Romo]

Got so excited thinking Patrick Peterson was still on the board, until my ctrl + f ruined my hopes and dreams

 

[Ben Grimm]

I hope these backup QBs are drafted:

Spoiler

1. Ryan Leaf
2. JaMarcus Russell
3. Akili Smith
4. Kim McQuilken
5. Heath Shuler
6. Matt Leinart
7. Frank Tripucka
8. Chris Weinke
9. David Klinger
10. Andrew Walter
11. Rick Norton
12. Joey Harrington
13. Nathan Peterman

 

[DaaaaB's]

I'd put benching Marcus Allen as his turning point.

Meh, Jackson was the much better RB so it made sense imo.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Is it a QB, perhaps a scrambly one? Because there's a roster construction aspect to this, of course, that will de-value much more valuable players...

Can't say more until a certain team takes a certain position.

Got'em. I've legitimately been considering Tarkenton since round 2. Obviously, the nature of this creates insane value grabs like this, but there's a good case for him to be a top 10 QB of all time and hardly anyone talks about him...

 

[GKJ]

Tarkenton’s big sin was playing poorly in the Super Bowls. Not helped by who he had to play, because he wouldn’t have to wear that if the roles were reversed.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Yeah, I'm not someone that gives the Superb Owl any undue respect. He has a winning record in the playoffs, so it's not like he's someone that just wilts in the postseason. That sort of dead ball era, too, was a couple of haves and a bunch of have-nots. From 1960 to 1978 (until the new pass defense rules), only five or six QBs totaled double digit TDs in the postseason or something like that...

He also didn't play a playoff game until he was 33. So, the fact that he found time to get into three (?) Superb Owls is pretty crazy in and of itself. He played over half of his career before the merger...

In fact, his post-33 year old career is quite incredible...he went 57-20, ~16000 yards, 3 pro bowls, an MVP, OPoY, led the league in TDs one season, comp% in another, yards in his last...just a real interesting career arc in general...

 

[GKJ]

Yeah, I'm not someone that gives the Superb Owl any undue respect. He has a winning record in the playoffs, so it's not like he's someone that just wilts in the postseason. That sort of dead ball era, too, was a couple of haves and a bunch of have-nots. From 1960 to 1978 (until the new pass defense rules), only five or six QBs totaled double digit TDs in the postseason or something like that...

He also didn't play a playoff game until he was 33. So, the fact that he found time to get into three (?) Superb Owls is pretty crazy in and of itself. He played over half of his career before the merger...

In fact, his post-33 year old career is quite incredible...he went 57-20, ~16000 yards, 3 pro bowls, an MVP, OPoY, led the league in TDs one season, comp% in another, yards in his last...just a real interesting career arc in general...

The way he played and the longevity he produced is incredible. He defied the rules of time when you look at his best year being at the end. The years the Vikings got to the Super Bowl were just the wrong ones compared to the ones the Cowboys won.

 

[Michael Farkas]

One of his first coaches, a QB of single game fame in particular, publicly admonished his style in fact. When really, it was the perfect (predicted?) adaptation of the old school "I'm a running back, I'm a quarterback, I'm a scat back, I'm a kicker" QBs from the prior era...

 

[Hasbro]

The way he played and the longevity he produced is incredible. He defied the rules of time when you look at his best year being at the end. The years the Vikings got to the Super Bowl were just the wrong ones compared to the ones the Cowboys won.

Short even for the era too.

I mainly knew him as the host of That's Incredible and playing himself as an announcer with no color man on 1st and Ten.

 

[VanIslander]

"scat back" sounds cool

 

[LT]

To @Tony Romo:
275 +327

To LT:
299 + 300

 

[Tony Romo]

To @Tony Romo:
275 +327

To LT:
299 + 300

confirmeddddddddddddddddd

 

[VanIslander]

LT now has 4 consecutive picks next round!
Great for planning.

 

[GKJ]

confirmeddddddddddddddddd

 

[Tony Romo]

Pretty happy with how my offence turned out. Only thing I would have done differently was do a T.O/Megatron stack. Instead of Matthews/T.O

Also, I think I am for sure gonna try and run a college football one. Think I’m gonna aim for way more than 13 teams for that one however.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Got'em. I've legitimately been considering Tarkenton since round 2. Obviously, the nature of this creates insane value grabs like this, but there's a good case for him to be a top 10 QB of all time and hardly anyone talks about him...

I assumed he was talking about Otto Graham not Tarkenton. Graham is generally ranked higher.

About time Isaac Bruce went, can't believe Justin Jefferson went before him. Bruce would've been a fine pick back when Holt went.

 

[Michael Farkas]

"Bless his heart, he's got to be the sickest man in America"

- Verne Lundquist (?)

 

[Hasbro]

I assumed he was talking about Otto Graham not Tarkenton. Graham is generally ranked higher.

About time Isaac Bruce went, can't believe Justin Jefferson went before him. Bruce would've been a fine pick back when Holt went.

Thought about Otto. It's just QBs and TEs are the positions that have really changed the most over time.

I mean you think Don Hutson would still be great while getting thrown to more and with modern conditioning.