Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick 54: Emil Andrae, D, HV71 (SHL)

[freakydallas13]

Hate to break the news, but exactly how many HCs have won a Cup since Torts did it?
Cooper (3), Q (3), Sullivan (2), Sutter (2), Cassidy (1), Bednar (1), Berube (1), Trotz (1), Julien (1), Bylsma (1), Babcock (1), Carlyle (1), Laviolette (1)

1) which of these HCs would you hire?
2) which would you classify as offensively oriented HCs
3) which won b/c of superior coaching v superior talent

4) What do you think you are proving here? How many better coaches are out there that haven't been coaching for the same 24 years Torts has?

 

[Appleyard]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856284207787434429

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856284207787434429

I don’t get it, I haven’t really followed him as a prospect so I can’t really say something like “I told ya so”, but almost everyone here was kind of dumbfounded after camp why he wasn’t in the lineup. Now seeing his training camp carry over, it’s even more of a head scratcher.

 

[mja]

I don’t get it, I haven’t really followed him as a prospect so I can’t really say something like “I told ya so”, but almost everyone here was kind of dumbfounded after camp why he wasn’t in the lineup. Now seeing his training camp carry over, it’s even more of a head scratcher.

It's because this team is very dumb. The answer will always be as simple as that.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t get it, I haven’t really followed him as a prospect so I can’t really say something like “I told ya so”, but almost everyone here was kind of dumbfounded after camp why he wasn’t in the lineup. Now seeing his training camp carry over, it’s even more of a head scratcher.

He has never looked like he did last night, he's skating more fluidly, faster and with more confidence.
This is what an offseason is for, young players need to work hard to take their game up another level.
Andrae has, though i don't know why he didn't show this in TC.
Maybe he just needed a little time to get comfortable with his improved skill package?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I don’t get it, I haven’t really followed him as a prospect so I can’t really say something like “I told ya so”, but almost everyone here was kind of dumbfounded after camp why he wasn’t in the lineup. Now seeing his training camp carry over, it’s even more of a head scratcher.

I've been banging the drum for a year now - what annoyed me about resigning Seeler and EJ, is that it effectively blocked Andrae from having a legit chance of making the team from camp.

It had to take Zamula/EJ sucking, York getting injured for Emil to get a chance.

Thankfully he is taking his chance, looked incredible last night. Underlying metrics look awesome too. He could have had 3 points easily.

If he can keep his play at a 2nd pair level, man that would be a huge win.

 

[Rebels57]

Timonen 2.0?

 

[deadhead]

I've been banging the drum for a year now - what annoyed me about resigning Seeler and EJ, is that it effectively blocked Andrae from having a legit chance of making the team from camp.

It had to take Zamula/EJ sucking, York getting injured for Emil to get a chance.

Thankfully he is taking his chance, looked incredible last night. Underlying metrics look awesome too. He could have had 3 points easily.

If he can keep his play at a 2nd pair level, man that would be a huge win.

Zamula was the one blocking Andrae.
Seeler was here to hold Drysdale's hand and probably Bonk next season.
EJ didn't block anyone, he's a RHD and #7.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Timonen 2.0?

Honestly…

Lol jk. Last night yes.

But prob looking at Matt Carle?

 

[FLYguy3911]

This is the best I’ve ever seen him play. Can he keep up the pace or is it just a temporary NHL adrenaline boost? He’s kind of playing how people thought Provorov would play coming into the league (he didn’t have the hands or vision we are seeing).

He always had really good hands and a great toe drag but that must have been the slowest end to end rush last night. No idea how he pulled that off.

Getting thrown on an NHL PP1 after not getting any time in preseason has to be a big confidence booster though.

 

[pit]

Getting thrown on an NHL PP1 after not getting any time in preseason has to be a big confidence booster though.

With the Flyers it feels like a misnomer to start our PP numbering system at 1 when compared to the rest of the league. I think we have a PP5 and a PP6.

 

[scumpup]

doesn't take a genius to know that Andrae was better than EJ or Zamula...

or maybe it does.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They gave Zamula the tiebreaker after camp because of the Michkov/Russia thing.

Well, it's clear Andrae has taken a leap in his development. So that tiebreaker Russian edge to Zamula is gone. Andrae is the superior player. By far.

OK, great. They figured it out in a month.

 

[deadhead]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856284207787434429

"He also instantly looks #Flyers best PP Dman."

The tallest midget award.

He's looked good so far, though last night was special.
But long way to go, especially a guy that size, has to show he can hold up playing 20+ a night.
Though York has set a good example, before he got dinged he had taken a big step up.

 

[Eye of Ra]

13 hits in 8 games according to nhl.com. plays bigger than he is

 

[Deadpool8812]

13 hits in 8 games according to nhl.com. plays bigger than he is

But does he play the right way?

 

[CerpinTaxt]

But does he play the right way?

Depends on who you ask. If he was playing on a different team he'd most certainly be playing the right way. On the Flyers maybe not so much

 

[ybnvs]

Well, it's clear Andrae has taken a leap in his development. So that tiebreaker Russian edge to Zamula is gone. Andrae is the superior player. By far.

If Andrae is the superior player by far (I don't disagree), then there was no tie leading up to the tiebreaker of knowing the Russian language. They were not and never have been on equal footing play-wise. Zamula is not waiver-exempt, either.

It was the logjam the FO created which stalled Andrae's NHL appearance. Before TC even began, Johnson being re-signed meant Andrae had no chance of making the roster out of camp unless someone was injured (Seeler fit the bill).

Andrae looked like our best defensemen in TC and preseason games. Loads better than Risto, Seeler, Johnson, Zamula, and Drysdale.

Weird... Not.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Zamula is playing like shit this year and Andrae is playing out of his mind. Based on their play in the past, their normal levels are not as far off as it may seem right now.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

If Andrae is the superior player by far (I don't disagree), then there was no tie leading up to the tiebreaker of knowing the Russian language. They were not and never have been on equal footing play-wise. Zamula is not waiver-exempt, either.

It was the logjam the FO created which stalled Andrae's NHL appearance. Before TC even began, Johnson being re-signed meant Andrae had no chance of making the roster out of camp unless someone was injured (Seeler fit the bill).

Andrae looked like our best defensemen in TC and preseason games. Loads better than Risto, Seeler, Johnson, Zamula, and Drysdale.

Weird... Not.

The Flyers did not know Andrae was going to make this big of a step. It would have been stupid to rely on it.

Andrae looks like a different player so far this season compared to his short prior NHL stint and his time with the Phantoms.

And he didn't stand out over anyone in preseason, even if he was solid. Certainly not "loads better" than Risto, who was their best defenseman in preseason. You're acting like he was some kind of world beater when he just kind of blended in.

So it makes sense that they gave Zamula the nod considering they were trying to help Michkov's transition to North America. But now that Andrae got his chance as the first call-up, he is proving himself. Great. That's what you want. Depth, and players who take advantage of their opportunities and don't let go.

 

[deadhead]

If Andrae is the superior player by far (I don't disagree), then there was no tie leading up to the tiebreaker of knowing the Russian language. They were not and never have been on equal footing play-wise. Zamula is not waiver-exempt, either.

It was the logjam the FO created which stalled Andrae's NHL appearance. Before TC even began, Johnson being re-signed meant Andrae had no chance of making the roster out of camp unless someone was injured (Seeler fit the bill).

Andrae looked like our best defensemen in TC and preseason games. Loads better than Risto, Seeler, Johnson, Zamula, and Drysdale.

Weird... Not.

Andrae did not look like this in preseason, and certainly not last season.
He's a late 2nd rd pick, the odds he'd become a solid starter were about 1 in 4.
Since I've been told preseason doesn't matter, Zamula should have played ahead of him in any case based on last season.

Johnson blocked no one, Andrae wasn't going to be the 7th D-man.
He was always going to start in Philly or LHV.

This is nothing unusual, young players "Wally Pipp" their way into the lineup all the time.
You only get a few opportunities to impress, when you get one, you have to take advantage of it.
Which is what Andrae is doing.

The reason you sign the veterans is you don't KNOW a young player is ready, you may hope, but teams that build rosters based on "maybes" tend to get themselves into trouble.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Andrea was completely dominant last game if he can be 3/4 of that consistently just wow, hell of a player.. here’s hoping.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Zamula is playing like shit this year and Andrae is playing out of his mind. Based on their play in the past, their normal levels are not as far off as it may seem right now.

Zamula at no point has shown what Andrae did last game, not even f***ing close lol.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Zamula at no point has shown what Andrae did last game, not even f***ing close lol.

You must have forgotten during WJCs when Zamula > Sanheim. Or the run Zamula went on last year after getting PP time.

They are different players. Zamula will never be all over the ice noticeable like Andrae was last game. He’s going to play with the game in front of him. He’s going to pass his way out of trouble. Andrae is an attacking defenseman. He’s going to try to go around forecheckers. While noticeable is usually good, like the other night, it’s can be a dangerous game when you skate like Andrae.

If you think Andrae can play every game like he did against San Jose, well then everyone underrated him and he’s one of the best prospects in hockey. Not to sound like a certain poster, but I feel like we need to point out that he had 14 ES points last year in the AHL. Zamula at the same age had 24. Nearly double the per game rate. And that was Andrae’s 5th (partial) pro season. That’s not insignificant.

I’ve watched/followed Andrae for parts of six seasons now. That was the best individual game I ever saw from him. And I thought early in his draft year he was an easy first rounder. Then the more you watched the more the warts started to show. Including being downright terrible in his D+1. He can be very mistake prone and his aggressive style at his size and skating profile can backfire.

tl;dr his play is very encouraging right now. Be excited. But there is a reason he was only seen as merely a good prospect and not a great one. Hell the team had Ginning pegged above him coming into the season and Andrae “won” the 8th spot by default. He’s taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I want to be very clear here that I am not making the player comparison. What I am doing is relating the reactions of the fanbase. Think back to what we had in our brains about Drysdale 10 days after that trade. Just wait and see. There’s no need to fire off takes.