Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick 54: Emil Andrae, D, HV71 (SHL)

[Appleyard]

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Good to see. He looked overwhelmed at the NHL level, so still plenty of work ahead of him. Above all his footspeed was noticeably lacking, but I’m assuming he’ll make up for that with smart decision making and experience.

 

[Appleyard]

Interesting really.

0.70+ P/GP for u-22 Dmen in AHL?

55% chance of being top 4 Dman
80% chance of being NHL Dman

0.60-0.69:

36% chance of being top 4 Dman
64% chance of being NHL Dman

0.50-0.59:

36% chance of being top 4 Dman
62% chance of being NHL Dman

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Interesting really.

0.70+ P/GP for u-22 Dmen in AHL?

55% chance of being top 4 Dman
80% chance of being NHL Dman

0.60-0.69:

36% chance of being top 4 Dman
64% chance of being NHL Dman

0.50-0.59:

36% chance of being top 4 Dman
62% chance of being NHL Dman

Now do flyers dman with this stats.

 

[Appleyard]

Now do flyers dman with this stats.

Well... no Phantoms Dman has ever been over 0.6 P/GP at that age before... aha. Only 10 in 30 years have got over 0.4. Because the Flyers have had so few legitimate D prospects it is comical


Top 10 Dmen in P/GP for Phantoms while u-22 (20+ gp):

1. Emil Andrae: 0.68
2. Travis Sanheim: 0.57
3. Joni Pitkanen: 0.54
4. Andy Delmore: 0.53
5. Phil Myers: 0.52
6. Mark Eaton: 0.49
7. Cam York: 0.48
8. Alex Picard: 0.44
9. Yegor Zamula: 0.42
10. Brandon Manning: 0.41

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Well... no Phantoms Dman has ever been over 0.6 P/GP at that age before... aha. Only 10 in 30 years have got over 0.4. Because the Flyers have had so few legitimate D prospects it is comical


Top 10 Dmen in P/GP for Phantoms while u-22 (20+ gp):

1. Emil Andrae: 0.68
2. Travis Sanheim: 0.57
3. Joni Pitkanen: 0.54
4. Andy Delmore: 0.53
5. Phil Myers: 0.52
6. Mark Eaton: 0.49
7. Cam York: 0.48
8. Alex Picard: 0.44
9. Yegor Zamula: 0.42
10. Brandon Manning: 0.41

This list depresses me.

 

[FLYguy3911]

For context Sanheim, at 20, started on the third pair and was PP2 all year behind TJ Brennan who was known to take 1:45 minute PP shifts.

And then when he got sent back the next year at 21 and put up 16 in 18 games and was 3rd in league scoring while playing behind Brennan again. Sick development.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

thx. Its funny that the two most productive dman of THE LAST 30 YEARS when it comes to Ahl production are doubt the whole time! Sanheim was handled like a 4th round pick who will never amount to anything. He would be traded for nearly nothing and a old vet who has lost 2 steps. Andrae is used like a 6th round pick with a bit of offensive upside.

on another note how do we have so few elite dman in the ahl? Smells like bad drafting? Yeah it was bad drafting. So we needed to sign and trade for franchise dman.

Amac was a game changer. At least he helped loosing games.

Fisto was a franchise corner stone. At least all fans and the whole league talks about him....

Niskanen was the the most important signing in history of the nhl. Cause the flyers win a few games in the bubble with him.

TDA was a beautiful trade cause he brings all fans from the flyers together. In the end every Single Flyer fan hated him.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Johnny Danger]

I'm asking myself how Andrae's adjustment to the smaller ice and north america has been so far. we all know he has to overcome his size ... how's he doing so far?

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I'm asking myself how Andrae's adjustment to the smaller ice and north america has been so far. we all know he has to overcome his size ... how's he doing so far?

Stop with this size bullshit! I cant hear it anymore

 

[deadhead]

Andrae has struggled, watching him last week (3 games televised in a week), I wasn't overly impressed, a bit disappointed in that he doesn't seem to have made a lot of progress from earlier in the season. It's not that he was bad, it's that he wasn't heads and shoulders above the other LHV D-men, like you'd expect from a potential top 4 NHL D-man prospect.

In fact, I thought Ginning and Attard looked better, but they're both 24, whereas Andrae just turned 22. Ginning has improved as a passer and Attard isn't getting caught out of position on a regular basis, like he has in the past.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Hopefully he will stay in the line up even after York is back or he has a string or bad games. So far he looks like serviceable and can only improve going forward.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Hopefully he will stay in the line up even after York is back or he has a string or bad games. So far he looks like serviceable and can only improve going forward.

But if Andrae doesn't sit how's Johnson supposed to wow us with his veteranness?

 

[deadhead]

Well, Zamula was so bad (I don't think that's his norm, but an awful start) that Andrae would have to really screw up to be replaced by him.

Andrae has the raw skills to be a 3LHD, PP2 guy.
Whether he can play a bigger role remains to be seen, while he's stout, he's just not that big, stronger than Drysdale but less than York. So he'll have to show he can handle people in the corners and in front of the net, not dominate, but not get pushed around, either.

I hate lumping ES and PP scoring, apples and oranges. Just ES:
1. Brandt Clarke: 50g 7-22 29 0.58
2. Logan Mailloux: 72g 12-19 31 0.43
3. Olen Zellweger: 44g 6-12 18 0.41
4. Shakir Mukhamadullin: 55g 5-17 22 0.40
5. Simon Edvinsson: 54g 6-15 21 0.39
6. Topi Niemelä: 68g 7-18 25 0.37
7. Jack Thompson: 62g 3-14 17 0.27
8. Emil Andrae: 61g 2-12 14 0.23

 

[Magua]

Andrae looks like what you want out of a 4-5 defender. I like how non-traditional and hard to pigeonhole his game could be, which only exposes the Flyers awful fit methodology.

My only problem has ever been the Flyers believing they don’t need to draft more offensive defensemen because they have York and Andrae (and now Drysdale). And every one has shown they’re not NHL offensive defensemen.

I saw I wrote this here nearly 3 years ago:

Smart organizations: acquire the best young talent and let the talent sort itself across levels

Dumb organizations: well, we have a 20 year old, 2nd rounder in Allsvenskan (or NCAA, etc.), so avoid any style overlap, go on assumption, and look for fit


(I'm trying to figure out which one the Flyers are.)

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Maybe small=offensive big=defensive is as far as their talent evaluation skills can carry them.

 

[deadhead]

Andrae looks like what you want out of a 4-5 defender. I like how non-traditional and hard to pigeonhole his game could be, which only exposes the Flyers awful fit methodology.

My only problem has ever been the Flyers believing they don’t need to draft more offensive defensemen because they have York and Andrae (and now Drysdale). And every one has shown they’re not NHL offensive defensemen.

I saw I wrote this here nearly 3 years ago:

Let's see who they draft this summer.
I'll bet on at least one offensive D-man and one two way center.
They seem to prefer undersized wings to undersized centers, and a mix of big bois and small quick bois on defense.

We don't know what Drysdale is right now, he has the chops to be an offensive D-man, does he have the instincts?
Sanheim certainly qualifies 5x5, but I've never liked him on the PP.
Andrae might be the opposite, very good PP QB in the AHL, but not a play driver at 5x5.
York was flashing some offensive chops before he got hurt, but that's not his primary role

 

[Magua]

Let's see who they draft this summer.

Let’s not. I’m content passing judgment on the worst team in league history at drafting defensemen, with a current front office terrible at evaluating defensemen, who just passed on another high end offensive defenseman. So, let’s not.

 

[BernieParent]

Let’s not. I’m content passing judgment on the worst team in league history at drafting defensemen, with a current front office terrible at evaluating defensemen, who just passed on another high end offensive defenseman. So, let’s not.

I think we can identify who they won't draft, which is BPA.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We definitely know what Drysdale is right now

 

[BernieParent]

We definitely know what Drysdale is right now

To be fair, Beef, as Tortorella explained, Drysdale is playing poorly because he doesn't know how to play. They need time to teach him to know how to play poorly.

 

[renberg]

To be fair, Beef, as Tortorella explained, Drysdale is playing poorly because he doesn't know how to play. They need time to teach him to know how to play poorly.

For a guy who hasn’t won a Cup in twenty years despite having some very talented teams, maybe Tortorella coaches poorly and doesn’t know how teams of today play. He should worry more about how poorly he does his job

 

[NYCFlyer]

Getting back to Andrae. I thought he looked better than Zamula both at even strength and on the PP. Hopefully he stays in the lineup for a bit. It will be interesting over time to see how he handles NHL caliber forwards in the Dzone.

 

[deadhead]

For a guy who hasn’t won a Cup in twenty years despite having some very talented teams, maybe Tortorella coaches poorly and doesn’t know how teams of today play. He should worry more about how poorly he does his job

Hate to break the news, but exactly how many HCs have won a Cup since Torts did it?
Cooper (3), Q (3), Sullivan (2), Sutter (2), Cassidy (1), Bednar (1), Berube (1), Trotz (1), Julien (1), Bylsma (1), Babcock (1), Carlyle (1), Laviolette (1)

1) which of these HCs would you hire?
2) which would you classify as offensively oriented HCs
3) which won b/c of superior coaching v superior talent