Draft Round 1 #23: New York Rangers Select RW Gabriel Perreault (Boston College, NCAA)

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He has point per game or point per game + potential in your opinion?

he definitely has the potential...and probably has to be a ballpark ppg player...like 60+ to be effective in the nhl but you never know. if not he'd probably be like a sam gagner.
 
he definitely has the potential...and probably has to be a ballpark ppg player...like 60+ to be effective in the nhl but you never know. if not he'd probably be like a sam gagner.
guessing passing is his biggest strength but how is his shot?
 
guessing passing is his biggest strength but how is his shot?

he's actually got a really nice shot, gets overlooked a lot because of his playmaking and the fact he doesn't use it enough, but he can snipe. he can get it off quick when he needs to, picks corners well, and he does a nice job pulling it and shooting when he's shooting at a goalie set for the shot to change the angle. he's not gonna be confused for matthews/kessel/bedard etc shooting the puck, but he's definitely capable of scoring goals with it in a number of ways. it's also something that can be improved drastically with some attention to it and will naturally improve regardless as he gets stronger.
 
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Cool deal. His brother Jacob was drafted by the Ducks. Hoping to make the NHL next season.
Is Jacob a shitty skater as well? I think I remember Gilbert being relatively fast, what a great line that was! With Rene Robert and Martin. Is Gabriel a lefty shot? Also, how can they be shitty skaters when their Dad was "in the business"? I don't get it.
 
Is Jacob a shitty skater as well? I think I remember Gilbert being relatively fast, what a great line that was! With Rene Robert and Martin. Is Gabriel a lefty shot? Also, how can they be shitty skaters when their Dad was "in the business"? I don't get it.
The skating is always mentioned because he’s got a strong stride but hasn’t hit his growth spurt yet, so he has to fill out and add muscle, and so he’s not at full speed yet.
His mechanics and fundamentals are strong, he’s just light and doesn’t have a ton of burst yet.
 
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Is Jacob a shitty skater as well? I think I remember Gilbert being relatively fast, what a great line that was! With Rene Robert and Martin. Is Gabriel a lefty shot? Also, how can they be shitty skaters when their Dad was "in the business"? I don't get it.
His skating isn't shitty at all. He is above average, probably well above average when he finishes growing into his frame. His best attributes, IQ, passing, etc, are just such a high level that his skating is his "weak" area.
 
Is Jacob a shitty skater as well? I think I remember Gilbert being relatively fast, what a great line that was! With Rene Robert and Martin. Is Gabriel a lefty shot? Also, how can they be shitty skaters when their Dad was "in the business"? I don't get it.
They aren’t related to Gilbert Perreault lol
 
Is Jacob a shitty skater as well? I think I remember Gilbert being relatively fast, what a great line that was! With Rene Robert and Martin. Is Gabriel a lefty shot? Also, how can they be shitty skaters when their Dad was "in the business"? I don't get it.

Yanic is their dad, not Gilbert.

But the skating stuff a bit overblown and speed itself has become so massively overrated. If you look across the board from era to era, hockey sense is always #1. He's got this in spades, maybe more so than anyone else in his draft class.

Gabe's stride is ugly and he doesn't generate a ton of power but he still gets to where he needs to be. The former can only be worked on so much (it can get better, but it's never going to look great) but the power will come with physical/strength maturation and theres (hopefully) significant room for growth there. He's got a long run way at BC if he needs it so there is that (and there shouldn't even be a single consideration about signing him away from there until after his Sophomore year at the earliest - even if he ends up going 2 PPG this season and leads the nation in scoring.) His game may be ready but his body needs time to catch up and that isn't happening this year.
 
Everybody gets to where they need to be until they get to the NHL and it's a while new world. Unfortunately, nobody can really answer if it'll be a problem in the NHL, yet. I'm sure he'll work on his strides. In my opinion top speed is less important than pivots, stops and starts, and edgework. The game is getting faster, so the comparable players who were just fine without speed you're seeing less and less. But as long as you can be a decent skater you shouldn't be as handicapped without the speed. For all the talk about his strides, he's pretty shifty.
 
Everybody gets to where they need to be until they get to the NHL and it's a while new world. Unfortunately, nobody can really answer if it'll be a problem in the NHL, yet. I'm sure he'll work on his strides. In my opinion top speed is less important than pivots, stops and starts, and edgework. The game is getting faster, so the comparable players who were just fine without speed you're seeing less and less. But as long as you can be a decent skater you shouldn't be as handicapped without the speed. For all the talk about his strides, he's pretty shifty.
Yeah, he's really not a bad skater, even speed wise, but he LOOKS ugly. Hahaha. Honestly, I believe that if his skating had been exactly the same, as far as effectiveness: edges, shiftiness, speed, first step, etc, but LOOKED smooth AF, he never would have fallen to us.
 
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I just can't see how a player can be a bad skater when he gets separation from defenders that are on the backcheck. He's not a bad skater. Ugly skater is accurate. But you don't score points and goals because of style and beauty. Whatever he's doing it's effective.

"Star in the making" is a massive overreaction after 10 games in college.
Not a believer? I'm asking because you are in the game so if there's something we don't know... He's been a leader among his peers his whole career and the step up to NCAA has gone smoothly.
 
It's all relative to how the ability will play in the NHL. There are tons of guys who play junior hockey and put up impressive numbers but their skating is shit and they're barely ECHL-caliber. The same is true but, IMO, to a lesser extent in the NCAA. I think he gets around fine out there, and I really doubt his skating will hold him back in any kind of significant sense. It's not going to be a strength, though, as he'll rely on his smarts and vision to rack up points.
 
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It's all relative to how the ability will play in the NHL. There are tons of guys who play junior hockey and put up impressive numbers but their skating is shit and they're barely ECHL-caliber. The same is true but, IMO, to a lesser extent in the NCAA. I think he gets around fine out there, and I really doubt his skating will hold him back in any kind of significant sense. It's not going to be a strength, though, as he'll rely on his smarts and vision to rack up points.
I def feel like he'll make it to NHL, such a strong iq. I think people saying he could replace Panarin are a bit pre-mature on that front. My biggest worry is that he'll be the next Danny Kristo. I think the NCAA is a better league then it was back then, and he's putting up better rookie numbers (so far), but always a little leery of high junior numbers, esp on a stacked team.
 
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I def feel like he'll make it to NHL, such a strong iq. I think people saying he could replace Panarin are a bit pre-mature on that front. My biggest worry is that he'll be the next Danny Kristo. I think the NCAA is a better league then it was back then, and he's putting up better rookie numbers (so far), but always a little leery of high junior numbers, esp on a stacked team.

He led that team in scoring though. Kristo also played an additional year in the USHL before enrolling at NoDak so he was an older freshman so you can’t really compare the 2.
 
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His skating isn't shitty at all. He is above average, probably well above average when he finishes growing into his frame. His best attributes, IQ, passing, etc, are just such a high level that his skating is his "weak" area.
We looking at a Tavares / Thornton kinda thing? Maybe more Kevin Hayes like? First line players with poor skating are rare.
 
We looking at a Tavares / Thornton kinda thing? Maybe more Kevin Hayes like? First line players with poor skating are rare.
Why do people keep on saying poor skating? By all accounts he is average to slightly above average with room to improve. Same thing with Fox. I've seen so many Ranger fans say he is a poor skater when he is more like a 50th percentile skater.

Kakko is a shitty skater. Stepan was a shitty skater. Those are legit 20th percentile skaters. Not Perreault.
 
I just can't see how a player can be a bad skater when he gets separation from defenders that are on the backcheck. He's not a bad skater. Ugly skater is accurate. But you don't score points and goals because of style and beauty. Whatever he's doing it's effective.


Not a believer? I'm asking because you are in the game so if there's something we don't know... He's been a leader among his peers his whole career and the step up to NCAA has gone smoothly.

Don't tell @EdJovanovski this.
 
Not a believer? I'm asking because you are in the game so if there's something we don't know... He's been a leader among his peers his whole career and the step up to NCAA has gone smoothly.

I'm not saying he will never be a star. I'm the first one to support a Rangers prospect unconditionally, and hope for the best. But to label Perreault, a 23rd overall pick, a "star in the making" after 10 post-draft games, is nuts.
 
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Yanic is their dad, not Gilbert.

But the skating stuff a bit overblown and speed itself has become so massively overrated. If you look across the board from era to era, hockey sense is always #1. He's got this in spades, maybe more so than anyone else in his draft class.

Gabe's stride is ugly and he doesn't generate a ton of power but he still gets to where he needs to be. The former can only be worked on so much (it can get better, but it's never going to look great) but the power will come with physical/strength maturation and theres (hopefully) significant room for growth there. He's got a long run way at BC if he needs it so there is that (and there shouldn't even be a single consideration about signing him away from there until after his Sophomore year at the earliest - even if he ends up going 2 PPG this season and leads the nation in scoring.) His game may be ready but his body needs time to catch up and that isn't happening this year.
The problem is that people still take anything that Corey Pronman writes seriously. He's repeatedly shown over and over that he can't properly evaluate NHL talent, especially when it comes to skating, but he puts a lot of effort into writing and his stuff gets out there to the mainstream. The dude is a moron.
 
The problem is that people still take anything that Corey Pronman writes seriously. He's repeatedly shown over and over that he can't properly evaluate NHL talent, especially when it comes to skating, but he puts a lot of effort into writing and his stuff gets out there to the mainstream. The dude is a moron.

According to Pronman, K'Andre Miller's skating is "Below NHL average".

That tells you all you need to know.
 

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