Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[Zack Morris]

Apparently, Seattle did talk to the Rangers about Lafreniere. They offered Wright. The Rangers weren't interested. Last winter. Elliotte Friedman mentioned this scenario a few times a few months ago.

Hmmm. Maybe Wright, Catton and #7 for Laf and Schneider? A bit reminiscent of the Stepan trade? Something like that?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Apparently, Seattle did talk to the Rangers about Lafreniere. They offered Wright. The Rangers weren't interested. Last winter. Elliotte Friedman mentioned this scenario a few times a few months ago.

Lafreniere's stock went up and Wright's down since then. Doubtful the Rangers do that deal now. Would likely need #7 overall plus Wright to get it done at this juncture.

 

[McRanger92]

How about Berkly Catton and 7 instead of Shane Wright?

 

[RangersFan1994]

At #7 we’re getting closer to the range id be ok moving Laf. Does Seattle consider concern him a difference maker? He played with Wright in the past no?

That was Othmann

 

[RangersFan1994]

Lafreniere's stock went up and Wright's down since then. Doubtful the Rangers do that deal now. Would likely need #7 overall plus Wright to get it done at this juncture.

Lafy and Schneider to Seattle for 7th Overall, Wright, Catton and Winterton

 

[GAGLine]

Are those my only 2 options hahaha?

Pretty much. We aren't landing any of the big-name trade targets like Larkin or Robertson.

We need to be shopping in the bargain bin right now. If there's someone available at a lower cost who can help us for a few years, I'm interested. Add guys like that to build out the depth and add core pieces through the draft.

 

[RangersFan1994]

How about Berkly Catton and 7 instead of Shane Wright?

Done. Catton fits what the style of the Rangers is going to be more than Wright does. Skating tenacious forecheck 2 way center

 

[McRanger92]

Pretty much. We aren't landing any of the big-name trade targets like Larkin or Robertson.

We need to be shopping in the bargain bin right now. If there's someone available at a lower cost who can help us for a few years, I'm interested. Add guys like that to build out the depth and add core pieces through the draft.

Yeah I don’t want to make any of these “big moves” the source merchants are cooking up. I’d rather sign zero free agents and just make trades and use our drafted players

 

[McRanger92]

If we’re making a trade with Seattle we need Melanson as a throw in for @leetch99

 

[I Eat Crow]

Lafy and Schneider to Seattle for 7th Overall, Wright, Catton and Winterton

That's a smidge too much. I'd do Trocheck and Laf for that package. For Laf and Schneider, take out Catton and I think it's close.

 

[Waltuh]

id take nichushkin if we’re talking like a 3rd but i dont really see the point at all

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Shane wright sucks.

Why do we want him?

 

[Waltuh]

Shane wright sucks.

Why do we want him?

because maybe he unsucks himself like brassard or mika. that's a guy i'm taking a flyer on.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I didn't take a poll, but I think many Rangers fans are okay with a rebuild, even if it is half-ass or a "retool". What they're not okay with is Drury leading it when he's put us in this situation to begin with. Cleaning up your messes is for kids, not general managers. Once you make a mess, you're punished by losing your job.

I’m aware. I’m one of those people and have posted endlessly about how I think Drury is a terrible GM, has built bad organizational infrastructure, and should be fired. I’ve been at that one longer than you, but I’ve also realized areas he’s done well in and hope they keep leaning into them.

There’s room for nuanced discussion. You being miserable all the time and posting multiple times within one page about how Drury should be fired (not today but have done this plenty) doesn’t really help anything. Most people here are on the same page with what they want.

The current hockey environment is going to force him to add around the margins, and maybe even overpay a UFA on a short-term deal. He still has to build a team and generate revenue. If they sign someone like Mantha to a 2x$7.5M (exaggerating on purpose) only to either bury him or to flip him, I’m not gonna lose sleep over it. Low-risk, high-reward options are really all that’s out there now unless they splurge on assets (they most likely won’t). Otherwise, it’s gonna be an extremely boring 2 years of primarily trying to hit enough singles to hopefully get a a decent amount of runs on the board.

 

[bernmeister]

I wonder where CK ends up.

He reeks of a guy TB would target

he has another yr on his deal but if there is a space for him here, he should be welcomed back

sorry ass Drury to blame for running him out; hopefully Drury is buh bye by then

After we saw the chemistry between Lafreniere & Perreault I really don't want to move him at all. I like that French connection. Ottawa can look for help elsewhere.
When it comes to Laf being on some trade rumor lists I think fans of other teams just assume after trading Kakko and Chytil that Drury is going to off-load as many players as possible including the guys in their 20's and nuke the entire team. I don't see it. I also don't think Laf requested out.

Lets not forget that Lafreniere is on a really good contract if he eclipses the 60 point mark with Perreault.
Laf/Cuylle/Perreault in the top-6 is a good foundation if this team can surround them properly. If Zibanejad plays at another 70 point pace and JT Miller finally bounces back and gets his head screwed on straight that top-6 core is really not as bad as some might think.

sorry no this core is bad
the older malcontent vets suck ass
younger guys w/upside need to be sold at profit so we have decent chance to make $1.15-$1.35 and up on 90 or so cents.
There is risk, but the vets decline w/age
So there is also opportunity cost.

It's not. What would you call it? What would we have? Who would be our best player? Tye Kartye? What would be our identity?

No Fox, no Tro, no Schneider, no Laf, no Gav, no Igor...what do we have left? Unproven players (at best) with the most expensive HC in the NHL. That doesn't exactly seem feasible to me.

we have potential
we have an opportunity to do a relatively fast reset for the idiocy of not listening to bern and doing all those stupid rentals etc
we have hungry kids who will play and put out

worth it

But that's not feasible. Forget the fact that Drury's job is (or at least should be) on the line. You have a coach who we paid a lot of money for that was hired specifically to win and to win now. And even without Sullivan, what exactly are we looking at? You can't play in the NHL with no veterans.

Forget Drury he does NOT drive this bus
exceptions to every rule, yes BUT
the rule per eye test is youth w/energy > costlier vets w/experience
esp come late season POs, when stamina counts

Pretty solid is not what we need. I'd rather them be next year if we have a bunch of picks. Not really in any rush to make a trade that isn't a fit for that reason.

we should max picks this yr and next
max picks this yr creates opportunity to trade up

If only Mika would waive for Ottawa....

If only he would waive period
that said, we can do something w/jersey

Unless we're moving Igor first, absolutely no reason to move Fox. Because as long as Igor is here, the org will think we can compete. And unfortunately, by far our best option for moving Igor just threw away 3 first round picks to acquire Shrek

we should move when opportunity knocks regardless of who
Fox before Igor
Igor before Fox
let all the vets see their day is done

Sens 1-on-1: What’s next for Sens after Brady Tkachuk trade?

On Sunday, the Senators traded captain Brady Tkachuk to the Florida Panthers in exchange for four draft picks.

ottawacitizen.com

Video with Garrioch here

Brady apparently was telling his teammates the last 4 yrs that he had no intention of resigning in Ottawa and that he wasn't going to be in Ottawa after his contract expired.

Says he believes Ottawa is in on McTavish (as well as Montreal).

Pittsburgh wants to move up in the draft. Ottawa was interested in Rakell and Rust last season.

Also says a few yrs ago Ottawa looked into acquiring Karlsson, but they decided against it because they felt it would undermine Tkachuk's leadership in the dressing room.

Says Spence wants a 4 yr deal at 5M+ per yr and Ottawa doesn't want to pay him that.

Says it seems imminent that Staios is making a splash over the next 4 days.

morrow +?

I think Trocheck to LA makes sense. They have the 17th pick, so maybe something around that.

I could see Mctavish to Ottawa happening.

but even if tro waives to LA, we get better deals back east, better picks than 17oa

I wonder what Ott wants for Spence? 4x5m doesn't seem stupid in this cap world and hopefully you are moving one of he or Borgen on in around 2 years anyway when some of our draftees some through.
3rd and Berard too low?

morrow +

Apparently, Seattle did talk to the Rangers about Lafreniere. They offered Wright. The Rangers weren't interested. Last winter. Elliotte Friedman mentioned this scenario a few times a few months ago.

I'm interested in Wright but not for LaF

 

[bernmeister]

Shane wright sucks.

Why do we want him?

whether or not he currently sucks, the ? is what we give up for him.
If he can afford to part w/that we take a chance SW develops

 

[RangerBoy]

7th pick overall is what? Assuming the top 5 are McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra, Reid and Carels. You're looking at Bjorck, Verhoeff, Smits,etc. You probably keep Lafreniere hoping his post Olympic play was the real Lafreniere. Even at 9th overall. Rudolph. Cullen. Lawrence. Belchetz. Lafreniere is the better player assuming he can continue his play after the Olympics. He will play with Mika. Play first unit PP. Fox will be there. Lafreniere should be a productive player.

If Rangers can get #17 from LA and package it with #26 to move to move up to 9/10, that's different. Trocheck is 33 years old in a few weeks.

 

[McRanger92]

7th pick overall is what? Assuming the top 5 are McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra, Reid and Carels. You're looking at Bjorck, Verhoeff, Smits,etc. You probably keep Lafreniere hoping his post Olympic play was the real Lafreniere. Even at 9th overall. Rudolph. Cullen. Lawrence. Belchetz. Lafreniere is the better player assuming he can continue his play after the Olympics. He will play with Mika. Play first unit PP. Fox will be there. Lafreniere should be a productive player.

If Rangers can get #17 from LA and package it with #26 to move to move up to 9/10, that's different. Trocheck is 33 years old in a few weeks.

Moving Laf is worth discussing, but this is where I’m at.

 

[I Eat Crow]

7th pick overall is what? Assuming the top 5 are McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra, Reid and Carels. You're looking at Bjorck, Verhoeff, Smits,etc. You probably keep Lafreniere hoping his post Olympic play was the real Lafreniere. Even at 9th overall. Rudolph. Cullen. Lawrence. Belchetz. Lafreniere is the better player assuming he can continue his play after the Olympics. He will play with Mika. Play first unit PP. Fox will be there. Lafreniere should be a productive player.

If Rangers can get #17 from LA and package it with #26 to move to move up to 9/10, that's different. Trocheck is 33 years old in a few weeks.

Smits at 5. Carels goes to Calgary at 6. Bjorck or Cullen would be the guy at 7.

 

[Waltuh]

i'd consider moving laf for 7/9 if Bjorck is there

otherwise i'm probably good

 

[McRanger92]

Smits at 5. Carels goes to Calgary at 6. Bjorck or Cullen would be the guy at 7.

If Bjorck is there at 7 on draft night I’d probably do a Laf for Catton+7 trade. But too much uncertainty for me to say “Yes” right now

 

[RangersFan1994]

That's a smidge too much. I'd do Trocheck and Laf for that package. For Laf and Schneider, take out Catton and I think it's close.

I rather take out Wright anf keep Catton

 

[NYR Viper]

I like Lafreniere but I’m really wondering if management has seen some concerning habits with him up to this point. If he’s, 9th overall + is a solid package. Get the Panthers 2nd next year and Greig and call it a day.

Move Trochek for the CLB 1st at 15 and Voronkov

Move Schneider for the BUF 1st + Musty

5th
9th
15th
25th
27th

Add Greig, Voronkov and Musty

 

[Waltuh]

I like Lafreniere but I’m really wondering if management has seen some concerning habits with him up to this point. If he’s, 9th overall + is a solid package. Get the Panthers 2nd next year and Greig and call it a day.

Move Trochek for the CLB 1st at 15 and Voronkov

Move Schneider for the BUF 1st + Musty

5th
9th
15th
25th
27th

Add Greig, Voronkov and Musty

i'd rather target 27 and 28 picks than have 5 firsts in this draft.

 

[GAGLine]

Vegas may need to move a player or two depending on what happens with Pietrangelo. There isn't a lot of info, but it appears that he's trying to come back. If he plays, that gives them 5 dmen and 9 forwards, but only 4.6 mil in cap space. If Pietrangelo is out all next year, they will get about 8.5 mil in LTIR space.

That still might not be enough, though, as they have to pay Dorofeyev. They just signed Korczak to a 4-year deal at 3.25 mil. Theodore and Hanafin are top 2 on the left side. That could make McNabb a cap casualty. McNabb is 35 and has 2 years left at 3.65 mil.

William Karlsson is probably the guy they want to move first, but maybe we can get both for cheap in a package deal. Karlsson has 1 year left at 5.9 mil.

Dowd could be a guy they look to move as well. He's 36 and has 1 year left at 3 mil.

There are some opportunities there to get some cheap, short-term help.