Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[Levitate]

Trading Laf for a pick that's not top 5 would be dumb, and even then.

stop thinking that every draft pick is so valuable it's better than any player you're trading for it

 

[mike14]

JT’s time will likely come next year. Also when healthy he is a significantly better player than Trocheck and that’s not a knock on Trocheck.

I think rangers fans and Drury need to show some patience right now. It’s the best course of action.

the next 2 seasons are also likely to be a bit of an arms race in the East, lead by Carolina, Tampa and Florida. Spend that time finding and getting games into the next core, so that we can hit the ground running when those teams begin to age out or start changing things up

 

[I Eat Crow]

So another player that is a punching bag.. Rangers lpve those for some reason

Not sure what you are remembering. Dorsett was a good hockey player. He, Dan Carcillo, Dom Moore, and Brian Boyle were the best 4th line this team ever had.

 

[effen]

Are you asking me to cite if Panarin signed a 2 year extension as part of the trade?

He signed a 2 year extension after the trade. You don't get to hit me with "bro thats all part of the same transaction" when you call me a liar.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

He signed a 2 year extension after the trade. You don't get to hit me with "bro thats all part of the same transaction" when you call me a liar.

That was like the entire holdup of the trade saga because he didn’t want to move multiple times so NYR let him negotiate an extension with potential suitors.

Straight off the Athletic:

 

[mike14]

Not sure what you are remembering. Dorsett was a good hockey player. He, Dan Carcillo, Dom Moore, and Brian Boyle were the best 4th line this team ever had.

but that's because they were playing with a 4-man line

 

[GoAwayRempe]

If they’re trading Laf to Ottawa 9+Hensler to start.

And more if it were up to me as I’m not crazy about Hensler.

 

[mas0764]

I'm not actively looking to deal Lafreniere at this juncture but it bears noting that at least from my couch, Laf has been better in the second half of every season he's been in the NHL. He just seems like a perpetual slow starter.

But I have zero idea what the grand plan for this team is. We're talking about getting faster and harder to play against, but looking to deal Trocheck and Schneider. There aren't many fast players available.

We're looking to get younger, but most of our prospects are role players.

So it's going to be really hard for any of us to do anything except wishcast our own strategic plans until we have more evidence of what the hell Drury is exactly supposed to be doing aside from basically letting Panarin go for the value equivalent of a late 1st round pick and trying to move an all situations center on a darling contract after trading for a guy of an equivalent age who makes more to do the same things but with a worse attitude and a captain's C on his jersey.

We have no good players. We have no good prospects. We have no good players to target in free agency.

Literally the only option staring the GM in the face is rebuild.

Whether that means trading Fox and Shesterkin or not is up for debate but the plan should be to acquire as many picks as possible and to pick as highly as possible with those two still around, and if that means punting on free agency entirely or asking JT or Mika to waive so be it.

 

[mas0764]

Trading Laf for a pick that's not top 5 would be dumb, and even then.

stop thinking that every draft pick is so valuable it's better than any player you're trading for it

It’s one thing to trade an over-30 vet for a high pick because you are winning the service time exchange as well. It’s another to trade a 24 year old.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It’s one thing to trade an over-30 vet for a high pick because you are winning the service time exchange as well. It’s another to trade a 24 year old.

a 24 year old, who's locked up, and ended the season on a very high note.

 

[bleedblue94]

That was like the entire holdup of the trade saga because he didn’t want to move multiple times so NYR let him negotiate an extension with potential suitors.

Straight off the Athletic:

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He was unwilling to waive prior to that process. That's the part people keep leaving out...

 

[RangersFan1994]

Jenner is heading to market. I can see Drury going after him for some reason

 

[bleedblue94]

I was livid when we traded Savard. But hey, we got Pavel Brendl. He's sure to be the next Pavel Bure, amIright?

It was lundmark

 

[bhamill]

I think the number was significantly lower than that. Panarin wanted longer term as well.

Completely possible. But what he got was 2years anyway (at 11mil). I could swear this was the number he was offered before the season… but that’s not really the point. The point is he was offered a contract and turned it down and that was pretty much that. It wasn’t even uncertainty on the part of NYR that caused a lack of deal. It was that Pan did t like the deal, whether it was lower, higher, or right on that number.

 

[haohmaru]

Completely possible. But what he got was 2years anyway (at 11mil). I could swear this was the number he was offered before the season… but that’s not really the point. The point is he was offered a contract and turned it down and that was pretty much that. It wasn’t even uncertainty on the part of NYR that caused a lack of deal. It was that Pan did t like the deal, whether it was lower, higher, or right on that number.

No, it wasn't close to that. They were talking him taking a "Tavares-like" discount which would've put him well below where he actually signed with LA and he also wanted term (4-5 years) which the Rangers were unwilling to do.

(Edit) And, just add, a 2 x 11 last summer would've been a flat "No" from Panarin as well. He settled for less and and less term for the only place he was willing to go.

 

[bhamill]

I don't remember that offer but it certainly could be true. In any case after the new year when Drury told Artemi he wasn't going to re-sign him that kind of meant for me anyway that the Rangers had changed their minds about how strong the team was (or wasn't) and that seemed to signal to me anyway we were going to change up things a bit if not go in another direction. But anyway a more youth movement is one thing but the team is still bound by rules and if we don't spend to the ceiling we're still going to have to spend to the floor and for those who say (not saying you) we have to dump all the veteran higher salaries that's not going to work and moving Artemi pretty much was our shooting our load as far as dumping big contracts or at least for now. We're about at the floor now.

When the Rangers brought in Sullivan I think it was because they thought the team was much better than what they had seen in 24-25. Adding Gavrikov to solidify the defense some and give Fox a real first pairing defender. My own thoughts were leaning towards that too---that if the Rangers cleaned up their D they'd at least might be a team that could challenge for the playoffs. With a healthy Igor and better defense structure we'd at least be good enough to make a run for a playoff spot. That didn't happen and injuries played a part----both Igor and Fox out for extended time starting early January. The team bottomed out and shortly after Drury asked Panarin to make his list.

Well, without serious injuries to Fox and Igor we WERE a better team. Not good enough of course.
In any case I’d rather have Greentee than Panarin at 11mil, or even 8mil, going forward, or than have had Pan just walk.