Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread: Draft and FA addition

[bernmeister]

Get a 27 pick for Tro, Rangers got enough picks in 26. It gives you a year to hold an asset in case you want to use in a future trade, maybe the team you trade him to struggles with injuries and the pick improves.

Drury has 5 picks right now in 27, including no second rounder already.

Tro to BOS for a haul incl TOR 2027 1st

Older than Bern's pajamas.

you can't always believe everything your woman tells you

and cleaner...

hey, at least he has a woman!

get me helenius from buff

along w/helenius from LA

 

[Chaels Arms]

Do you guys think we could hire Mike Babcock to go to Colony Grill all summer and say mean things to Drury so he moves quits and moves to Europe

 

[haohmaru]

2, i think we've seen the importance of context for a players performance. Take Mika... the whole f***ing team was a joke, a steaming dump, all of that season. you say i minimize his issues? I say that his value has been and continues to be minimized. he does more good than bad. he's a net good. we're worse without him.

Are we worse with Gavrikov than Miller?

1. on this i completely disagree. There were other ways to clear cap space coming off a terrible season. your prerogative to lump these two players together but it's just strictly the case. you start getting into hypotheticals and everything is on the table. We'd be better off not trading chytil and keeping k'andre and still signing gavrikov.

This is all hypothetical. The Rangers didn't want to go long term and Miller wanted long term. Period. This is the crux of the reasons for parting of ways. People can say Miller felt he was a better fit elsewhere and the Rangers feeling he wasn't a fit here long term and both can be true without anyone being wrong.

I mean, we can litigate this in the past for the next 20 years but it doesn't change the fact that both parties felt that this what was best for them and it's time to move on from this conversation.

 

[will1066]

i know CGY is awful but he sucks and if he is capable of turning his career around i doubt it will be hereView attachment 1258805

The best thing he does is passes from center lane, like if he's in the slot he'll pass the puck back out to the perimeter?

Go get 'em Slats!

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Didn't he win a Stanley cup and captain two franchises?
Shit GM but weird to say he peaked at puberty...

Drury also won the Hobey Baker and the Calder. Pretty crazy.

But yeah he's been a total bum ass loser ever since he joined the NYR org 15 years ago or whatever and caused us nothing but misery

 

[Greschner4]

The proper way to frame the Miller situation is that "Drury did not create the atmosphere that made Key want to be here long term." People are continuing to pretend Miller just flipped a coin or somesuch to come to his decision.

 

[Riche16]

The thing is that kid often ends up turning it around and living it up in the future.

Drury's already won a little league world series. He's more like the neighborhood drunk who was the best player on the high school basketball team at 17 but now lives under a bridge and rambles.

 

[noncents]

Are we worse with Gavrikov than Miller?



This is all hypothetical. The Rangers didn't want to go long term and Miller wanted long term. Period. This is the crux of the reasons for parting of ways. People can say Miller felt he was a better fit elsewhere and the Rangers feeling he wasn't a fit here long term and both can be true without anyone being wrong.

I mean, we can litigate this in the past for the next 20 years but it doesn't change the fact that both parties felt that this what was best for them and it's time to move on from this conversation.

i think we'd be better with both, and that we should have gotten more in the deal.

but you're right - that's theoretical and discussions will be circular.

what is *not* up for debate is that he is a very good player that just played a significant role on a cup winning team.

the fact that a lot of people on this board still cannot acknowledge that is what i think is f***ing asinine.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[RangerBoy]

Drury getting shut out left and right. Players don't want to come here, the GMs don't want to deal with him...Drury's like that weird, smelly kid sitting by himself in the cafeteria.

Drury was the jock in high school who bullied all of the kids.

 

[Chaels Arms]

"I don't know anything but I did hear Vincent Trocheck once had Buffalo wings in Buffalo and really liked them.

Stay tuned for more."

 

[smoneil]

addressing these in reverse order:

3 as you noted is speculation.

2, i think we've seen the importance of context for a players performance. Take Mika... the whole f***ing team was a joke, a steaming dump, all of that season. you say i minimize his issues? I say that his value has been and continues to be minimized. he does more good than bad. he's a net good. we're worse without him.

1. on this i completely disagree. There were other ways to clear cap space coming off a terrible season. your prerogative to lump these two players together but it's just strictly the case. you start getting into hypotheticals and everything is on the table. We'd be better off not trading chytil and keeping k'andre and still signing gavrikov.

Re: #2--K'Andre's issues weren't just last season though. Last season was a continuation of his problems from the season before. Two straight years of awful play, combined with all the chatter about him pushing for a big contract, made him a risk not worth taking. You can check my posts from that time. My position was that they should try to sign him to a 2 or 3 year "prove-it" bridge. Miller had no interest.

Re: #1-- You can't dismiss everything that goes against your narrative as "speculation" and then turn around and speculate that Miller would have signed the same deal in NYC AND that the team would have magically found a way to sign both Miller and Gavrikov. No speculation goes both ways. The reality is that the team was very much up against the cap at the time, and was still nominally interested in re-signing Panarin.

 

[mike14]

The proper way to frame the Miller situation is that "Drury did not create the atmosphere that made Key want to be here long term." People are continuing to pretend Miller just flipped a coin to come to his decision or somesuch.

But he also created an atmosphere that has apparently made Mika want to stay, CK want to stay, Goodrow want to stay, Trouba want to stay, Panarin want to stay, presumably Shesty want to stay, other Miller want to come here...
Although a lot of that is probably not a good thing

I wonder whether Flames fans still bitch about Fox not wanting to sign there (outside of game day when he's playing)?

 

[Veaktore Vitto]

Can Zary play C?
Worth a shot no ?
Still young

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I wish this was a Friedman tweet

Awesome, get Peterka

Oh wait..,.

 

[smoneil]

The proper way to frame the Miller situation is that "Drury did not create the atmosphere that made Key want to be here long term." People are continuing to pretend Miller just flipped a coin or somesuch to come to his decision.

I've wanted Drury fired for at least two years now. It's possible to hate Drury AND see that this one deal was handled well. If a tenant destroys an apartment but cleans the kitchen really well, you can simultaneously acknowledge the good job in the kitchen while also filing eviction papers.

 

[Overcast]

Do you guys think we could hire Mike Babcock to go to Colony Grill all summer and say mean things to Drury so he moves quits and moves to Europe

Babcock strikes me as a guy who would mercilessly bully Drury just for fun.

 

[mas0764]

OMG TROCHECK FOR 4 OA CONFIRMED

 

[Veaktore Vitto]

OMG TROCHECK FOR 4 OA CONFIRMED

We wish

Late 1st , Krebs , what prospect ?

Malenstyn rights? Lol

 

[mas0764]

Thank goodness this free agent pool has completely dried up.

Saves us from ourselves.

Now we basically have no choice but to be mid again.

And hope that someone gets hurt so we can be downright bad, since we won't trade anyone.

 

[noncents]

Re: #2--K'Andre's issues weren't just last season though. Last season was a continuation of his problems from the season before. Two straight years of awful play, combined with all the chatter about him pushing for a big contract, made him a risk not worth taking. You can check my posts from that time. My position was that they should try to sign him to a 2 or 3 year "prove-it" bridge. Miller had no interest.

Re: #1-- You can't dismiss everything that goes against your narrative as "speculation" and then turn around and speculate that Miller would have signed the same deal in NYC AND that the team would have magically found a way to sign both Miller and Gavrikov. No speculation goes both ways. The reality is that the team was very much up against the cap at the time, and was still nominally interested in re-signing Panarin.

i'm saying the speculation on both sides is worthless. i'm not claiming he would have signed here even if we paid him 20mm a year. I don't know what he was basing his decision on. i contend if we'd really wanted to we could have fit both gav and kandre. but that's just my speculation.

the part i disagree with you on is your characterization of "2 years of awful play."

i won't dispute that he had some bad giveaways late in games that led directly to goals against. those ones hurt and they always LOOKED terrible. like the WJC giveaway that laf scored on. Dunderhead shit.

but to say he was awful for 2 years?

Wrong. wrong wrong wrong. analytically wrong, eye-testingly wrong, fundamentally and foundationally wrong. that's the part of this boards groupthink that i take issue with.

 

[mas0764]

At this point I don't think he's going to have a choice.

I just hope he stays away from overpaying the secondary, tertiary (or worse: Ferraro) players on multi year deals. I'm cool with one year overpays.

Yeah, Ferraro won't move the needle.

On a one year deal, fine.

 

[smoneil]

Awesome, get Peterka

Oh wait..,.

Is that the same Peterka that 90% of these boards swore would be a 70-80 point player as soon as he got out of Buffalo? That worked out, right?

 

[smoneil]

Can Zary play C?
Worth a shot no ?
Still young

Why, though? Without PP time, his production would be that of a 4th liner. We have those coming out of the woodwork. Why pay a draft pick for another body? He's 25 and hasn't broken 20 ES points in either of the last two years. He's never broken 35 points.

He's a 25-30 point guy IF he gets PP time. That's not a guy you pay out 2nd round picks for. The more I've looked at it, the less I think I would even offer a 3rd. Too many red flags (skating, slow, injuries) for not enough payoff.

 

[eco's bones]

Never thought Tuch signing with us in free agency was realistic. The best of this UFA class will basically be 3rd liners and bottom pair D and pretty much late 20's to mid 30's on age.

The Rangers farm system meanwhile has been churning out bottom line forwards in the last couple/three years----just younger and cheaper versions of what this UFA class has......and I'd rather give minutes to a guy like Chmelar than to Conor Sheary.