Calgary... but as a base maybe Krebs is the add to maybe ostlund+1st? Maybe add Rosen and a 2nd maybe but linholm is on a 1 year contract wouldn't do it unless it was a sign and trade on a reasonable deal
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Lindholm for let's say sign and trade 8 mil contract 3-4 years but Calgary is able to eat some of that? If they are gonna rebuild do you think they would retain about 1.25 to 2 mil during the rebuild for an extra pick or 2 and a b prospect?
Great comment. The fans have already forgotten the excuses that were made 6 or 7 years ago, the range of excuses why it wasn't enough here and there is long. You can't be successful with young, talented players alone; you need a healthy mix of experienced and young players.
And whether Johnson or Clifton can take on the role of the experienced but still hungry players is questionable. No franchise releases players who are important to them. There are reasons why Johnson no longer got a contract with the Avs, and the same with Clifton.
The Sabres have a lot of depth of good rookies, maybe they should take a few risks and sacrifice one of them for a 30 or 31 year old veteran who can really make a difference, like a Carcillo, Wilson or similar.
In my opinion, Adams is far too lethargic, takes zero risks and is otherwise far too anxious when it comes to trades. That won't happen with the playoffs this season either, nor in the next few years if this cautious attitude towards trades and turning a blind eye to the predominantly mediocre performance is maintained
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Old Navy Goat
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If Adams could get Lindholm for 3-4 years, my position would change(depending on the cost), but Lindholm is coming off a team friendly deal and knows this may vary well be his last contract. I will be shocked if he doesn't sign for 6 years somewhere, and I fully expect him to be looking for 7.
As far as the retention, 3-4 years at 1.25-2 is a large range (3.75-8M). That is starting to get up there in both cash and cap, not to mention 3 or 4 years of tying up a retention slot. It will almost certainly cost more than a 2nd and B prospect. How much more would depend on the length and amount, but unless Conroy is a terrible GM, I would have to think he would be asking for quite a bit for that level of retention, and he'd likely get it from some other gm somewhere around the league.
toddkaz
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You call Calgary GM an idiot if he makes that trade and you add Tuch and it gets you Eichel.
Eichel is 5x better than Lindholm.
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Eichel needed surgery on his neck and it was a huge risk for Vegas - they could have gotten nothing. Context matters. Adams tried to get 5 first round assets, instead he got 3 first round assets and a pick upgrade.
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I would go even so far that 3 arent finished products, Thompson was just learning the 200ft game
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I’ve lost interest in speculating on roster additions/trades as there really haven’t been any meaningful ones since Eichel. The holes on the roster have been obvious and Adams has deliberately chosen not to fill them. I don’t see that changing right now.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for anything aside from another Greenway type trade this season. Or maybe some selling at the deadline. I could see EJ and Okposo wanting to go to contenders
I wouldn’t hold my breath for anything aside from another Greenway type trade this season. Or maybe some selling at the deadline. I could see EJ and Okposo wanting to go to contenders
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Same here…,waste of time even thinking about it. Adams is so predictable.
He’ll be reported as being “in” on every free agent and trade, but will always be looking for a discount like WPG and will never pull the trigger like WPG because the price will always be too high. His precious prospects are all untouchable.
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the problem is moving the one center that is performing well in all aeras, I know he needs a new contract, but than you just have Lindholm.
I still see this team having Thompson Mittelstadt as 1-2, and Cozens on the wing, if you remove Mitts and replace him with Lindholm it will be an upgrade for now, but I am not sure its good from a longterm perspective given Lindholms age and contract status. I would rather have 1 Thompson
2a Lindholm 2b Mitts as center spine.
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Isn't that a bit like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic? I would want Lindholm in addition to TT and Mitts down the middle.
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The only good part of the Horvat trade was the 1st rd pick, but here you are offering up Mittelstadt (because you seriously undervalue him). It's just head slapping. Your Mitts posts are like a big bait/troll production.
As for everyone else and the notion of a Lindholm trade -
Lindholm should be valued as a decent two-way C that will produce in the range of 55-65 pts depending on his linemates. I think he's a fit because Cozens is showing some real struggles with decision making at C and could be better on the wing. Krebs + 1st is pretty close (maybe add a lesser prospect on top). That doesn't mean I want to offer Lindholm 8.5 mil for 7-8 years. I don't think he's worth that, but that's where the whole idea hinges on. What's his contract demand? He's leaving Calgary so if they want any trade value they'll have to allow discussions with other teams.
I would go on about cap issues but like others have said (including me) - it's a big waste of energy because KA won't make that move. It's draft and develop to the hilt, hope some guys hit, fill the obvious roster holes the cheapest route possible, too late if at all, continue with a weak and overly skilled team until some of these guys get man strength in 3-5 years.
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Yep the stats back up how bad we’ve been.
And I don’t like hearing that Tage is injured and Quinn etc.
Even our PP is way worse
You are adding a center who has historically much better offensive performance, can play the PK, and is a former selke nominee and is a career 53.7% at the dot.
Lindholm's offensive skills are likely on the downside of his career given his age, but his defensive acumen should age well. The worry is his skating might fall off as he He'll be a 50-60 point guy rather than an 80+ point guy moving forward and probably will be lower as he gets older. It'll be a bad contract in 4-6 years, but by then the cap should be 100M+
Mittelstadt has been better this year, but I think realistically he's a 60-70 pt center over an entire season, less if he was given harder deployments or played in a different system. He’s a middle six center with middling defensive ability vs a top six center selke nominee
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Meh, thats a copout in my eyes. They could have let Eichel have the surgey, they could have done so much more than what they did.
They could have let Eichel play after surgery and boost his value.
Eichel was under contract. You make it sound like Eichel had all the power.
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I think in hindsight the organization wanted to get rid of him just as much as he wanted to get out. He left and won a cup, we continue to flail away as the most hopeless basket case in hockey history.
If it was a joke, it doesn't make sense and therefore falls flat when you leave out the Alex Tuch part.
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I don’t disagree that Lindholm will not be the same player he was. But if you make a move like this it is to plug a hole in the center spine. Not replace one player with another who likely will produce the same bit with a different style. Adding lindholm, moving Cozens to the wing and plugging Quinn and TT back into the lineup makes the team much more formidable without really sacrificing much other than futures. I disagree on your assessment of Mitts but you have been consistent in your critique. He is the only true center we have in the lineup.
The issue was Eichel had a full NMC coming up.
The correct way to handle it was to allow him the surgery he wanted and move him in season or even prior to the draft. Buffalo handled it in a way that damaged the teams reputation the most and probably returned the least.
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