Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[logan5]

thats not enough to send their 2nd best player away for 10 games. that was probably just 1 of many incidents of miller ripping into petey instead of the one that caused any blow up

If Miller was bullying Pettersson and behaving this way at a public venue, then yes, it is enough to suspend him for a game or 2 for a couple of reasons. Then Miller decided he better take a longer break.

I tend to believe this story, now that you hear from different, on the record NHL sources. Imagine what things were like behind closed doors, away from public view.

I think a lot of people roll their eyes when people say that Pettersson was bullied, but it sure looks like that.

 

[ephmrl]

After completely botching Pearson's injury and making Mikheyev play on a broken leg during meaningless games, canuck management and medical staff has not earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to player injuries. IMO this disconnect between Pettersson's injury and management is strike 3 for me. Clean house, fire absolutely everyone that is even slightly considered a healthcare worker or has access to bandaids and start from scratch.

To be fair, Mikheyev was the one who made the choice to keep playing with the torn ACL until they finally shut him down for surgery.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

To be fair, Mikheyev was the one who made the choice to keep playing with the torn ACL until they finally shut him down for surgery.

This dynamic needs to change asap.

They need to shut players down. If you leave it up to the players they will ALLWAYS try to play throught he injury.

Can we NOW have the EP40 haters thread for the handful of posters to vent so the discussion can actually move on?

 

[rypper]

He would still be going to the 4Nations even while banged up.

Hughes was a last second back out and he's dealing with two injuries. Pettersson absolutely would go injured.

Also, Pettersson's girlfriend is Katelyn Byrd.

 

[Wisp]

it's crazy the haters here are hellbent on not giving pettersson the benifet of the doubt and interpritating things in the most ungenerous way possible.

they need him to be the bad guy so bad.

 

[rypper]

thats not enough to send their 2nd best player away for 10 games. that was probably just 1 of many incidents of miller ripping into petey instead of the one that caused any blow up

If we're airing out unsubstantiated rumors, there's another one where he either got into or attempted to get into a physical altercation with canucks video coach. That's what allegedly led to him being sent home.

 

[Wisp]

miller's leave and trade had nothing to do with pettersson. it still had something with jt being toxic.

 

[Wisp]

That does seem to be the disagreement. Though I thought you suggested that management didn't see him as injured at all.

i think they were shocked that he disclosed the injury rather than that they disagreed.

 

[Lindgren]

i think they were shocked that he disclosed the injury rather than that they disagreed.

Interesting. A disagreement, still, but on a different matter: whether there should be transparency about the injury.

 

[arttk]

Interesting. A disagreement, still, but on a different matter: whether there should be transparency about the injury.

Management sees that as using it as an excuse instead of it being a reason. They seem too f***ing old school if they think players should just play through injuries because hockey players.

I mean yes, they should trust the medical professionals they have on hand but on the other hand, they should’ve noticed that his performance dropping is probably related to a f***ing knee injury.

 

[Hodgy]

i think they were shocked that he disclosed the injury rather than that they disagreed.

Interesting. A disagreement, still, but on a different matter: whether there should be transparency about the injury.

Ya, I think management viewed it as an insignificant injury and not worthy of discussion. People need to realize that players play through tons of injuries, far worse than this, which are never disclosed. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that’s the reality. You should hear some of the stories about how bad Henrik Sedin’s back was.

And frankly, when I watched Pettersson disclose this injury in the exit interviews he even looked sheepish as if he wasn’t willing to excuse his play based on it.

So there doesn’t have to be some big disagreement over the severity of the injury as @Bleach Clean has suggested, although that could be the case.

 

[Bleach Clean]

i think they were shocked that he disclosed the injury rather than that they disagreed.

Maybe, but I would not expect Tocchet to be that visibly upset at Pettersson in the playoffs if aligned on the degree of injury.

Nor would I expect the GM to call out Pettersson mid-season this year if they understood the severity of the injury, and how it affected his training.

It doesn't add up.

 

[Breakers]

Can't to gain that strength during the season? Lol uhh ok

exactly
Boeser's entire vancouver career has been using the season to get into shape

 

[ephmrl]

This dynamic needs to change asap.

They need to shut players down. If you leave it up to the players they will ALLWAYS try to play throught he injury.

Can we NOW have the EP40 haters thread for the handful of posters to vent so the discussion can actually move on?

Sure. I'm not saying whether it was a good idea for him to play through it or if the team should've veto'd his decision and made him sit out and have the surgery. I'm just countering what the other poster said about the Canucks making Mikheyev play through the injury.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

exactly
Boeser's entire vancouver career has been using the season to get into shape

Getting into shape / cardio endurance seems realistic. Putting on 5-10 lbs of muscle does not. If you're lucky you're getting 1/2 - 1 lb per month if I'm not mistaken. Doubt you get that doing so much cardio.

 

[PavelBure10]

Well even myself I have been hard on Pettersson as of late. Glad his agent came out with what everyone suspected. Pettersson is injured and it's as simple as that. Therefore it makes sense that Petey has been taken off of the trade block and will be given another opportunity to get himself back on track to being a top 10 center in the league. It didn't make much sense to trade him anyway with his value being at a alltime low. Now All Canuck fans need to have a little more patience and see how Pettersson deals with the offseason. The Miller distraction is gone. Media is aware of his injury and how it prevented him from full on training. Management has called him out. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and see how Pettersson finishes off the season. I think he is aware that this offseason is make or break for him and he wants to prove doubters wrong. Hopefully he does just that and becomes that 100 point two-way centerman that we all seen he's capable of being.

 

[sting101]

Just for clarification, you have been a mostly reasonable poster and that is why I am happy to converse with you, and disagreeing is where the fun can be.

However there are some posters that are just terrible and keep putting forth faulty logic, and bad faith arguments. Or when someone mentions Petterssons knee they just go oh another injury. I think they really hold decent conversation back.

Anyway back on topic.

I think it totally could point to other things we may need to be concerned with including confidence issues, or even having shot knees.

All we can do is look at this players past when healthy. He has proven to be a champion in the SHL and in the bubble playoffs was one of our best players. We absolutely need him to be at his best to have a shot at doing anything.

With his current defensive play I am more than willing to give him time to come back healthy and try to show he can bring back his offensive game too. I think it could be different if what we were seeing was a player not engaging in the defensive side as well it would show a player truly with a lack of fight in him. But it is because of that play that I do have belief he can bring back both and be the dominant centre we desperately need.

I also think if we trade him, we may as well just fully rebuild, we would never get back the assets we need to be a championship team at least not in time for Hughes to stick around.

Thanks and i appreciate your posts

fair enough re:40. I've been steadfast that we can't move him and need to rehabilitate the player and relationship before you would. Certainly have had some fun with the trade ideas but I think it's always been pretty much the only good option once they moved away from Miller.
Furthermore it's water under the bridge and time to move on from the whole this side vs that side BS that has divided people here.

i am concerned about his durability and mental toughness. He's been mercurial and has had some tendencies to be a bit of a lonely superstar in how he fits with the group. It is really nice to hear the stories of a weight being lifted and let's hope this 4 Nations is the start to a new chapter and maturity. I really do welcome it if he can pull it together.

Healthy and confident he's top 20C in the league but he's not even close this year and it would sure mean a lot to start hearing stories from within the group about how much they look up to him at some point and how he's become a leader.

Agree on the retool

 

[sting101]

I highly suspect that management treated his tendinitis as a nothing burger. To them, it was akin to having no injury at all.

So Patrick Allvin the Swedish GM who signed him for 92 million and has drafted and built his team around his Swedish Superstar drafting Lekk EP2 Willander and giving Hog (3 mill) and trading for MPett would just blow him off as a nothing burger??

Not a chance. More like someone decided to not communicate it effectively or at all and continued to do so as his relationship with a teammate and team soured

 

[LordBacon]

Trade our medical staff for McDavid + 1st.

This is @PuckMunchkin 's victory thread and there is not a damn thing you mofos can do about it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Sure. I'm not saying whether it was a good idea for him to play through it or if the team should've veto'd his decision and made him sit out and have the surgery. I'm just countering what the other poster said about the Canucks making Mikheyev play through the injury.

I would change "making" to "allowed."

I get it. This is a pet peeve of mine.

The players dont have the competence to put them selves in the game. They can take them selves out but this is very rare. Also there is pressure to be viewed as a tough member of the team. The team is a tribe they dont want to let down etc. all sorts of dynamics at work here.

 

[Bleach Clean]

So Patrick Allvin the Swedish GM who signed him for 92 million and has drafted and built his team around his Swedish Superstar drafting Lekk EP2 Willander and giving Hog (3 mill) and trading for MPett would just blow him off as a nothing burger??

Not a chance. More like someone decided to not communicate it effectively at all and continued to do so as his relationship with a teammate and team soured

Pettersson communicated the injury to the Canucks in season, per Tocchet.

They cleared him to keep playing and we saw the big slip in performance. Tocchet upset in the playoffs.

Then they were shocked he said he was injured at year end.

Then his Swedish GM calls him out during the season.

Whether you want to blame Pettersson for GM/Coach marginalizing his injury, and then blame him again for not communicating his off-season struggles, clearly, there was a disconnect between the parties. You've admitted to as much here.

 

[David71]

is there a way he can take an week off and do some training to get his leg strength back ?

thats what summer is for.. so we fans will give ep40 a pass for this year and the years prior because of this "injury news that just came out from his agent. maybe next year if hes 100 percent he can fully be back to his old self again 100pt player?

 

[David71]

petey was probably being bullied during the travis green days/ bruce boudreau and it to a boil until this season and has had enough. therefore Miller "the toxic one" got dealt. why didnt mgmnt deal with it sooner or least petey come and speak with benning and company beforehand. they let this dragged on for years and years.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Pettersson communicated the injury to the Canucks in season, per Tocchet.

They cleared him to keep playing and we saw the big slip in performance. Tocchet upset in the playoffs.

Then they were shocked he said he was injured at year end.

Then his Swedish GM calls him out during the season.

Whether you want to blame Pettersson for GM/Coach marginalizing his injury, and then blame him again for not communicating his off-season struggles, clearly, there was a disconnect between the parties. You've admitted to as much here.

The goal posts will keep moving infinitely.

Not worth the effort IMO.

 

[sting101]

Pettersson communicated the injury to the Canucks in season, per Tocchet.

They cleared him to keep playing and we saw the big slip in performance. Tocchet upset in the playoffs.

Then they were shocked he said he was injured at year end.

Then his Swedish GM calls him out during the season.

Whether you want to blame Pettersson for GM/Coach marginalizing his injury, and then blame him again for not communicating his off-season struggles, clearly, there was a disconnect between the parties. You've admitted to as much here.

yes exactly i have and you and PM have kept pushing a narrative that it's all Miller or Management or Coaching or Doctors to the point you have aggravated a lot of other posters to be as equally biased in their opinions and shove that right back at you.
And now this is supposed to be some moment of clarity?

I find the player the most culpable here because first off he could have easily taken some maintenance days as last year winded down. Secondly he stupidly opened his mouth at post game media meetings which is faux pas (whether you want to say it's archaic or whatever) you don't throw your teammates under the bus by using it as an excuse when they did not. This is hockey culture 101 just like picking up the puck for a players first NHL goal is yet??.

And lastly maybe if he sat down and communicated at camp what was going on and why it could have been a completely different outcome with different optics and maybe even Miller is still here.

At least your willing to accept a disconnect which is clearly a thing. Tocchet might be a bit of an old school hard ass but he's a great communicator. It still boggles my mind what has transpired