Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[Soups On]

Sure...I've had tendonitis in my knee and my elbow and both took about 4-6 weeks to fully go away and I never had a reoccurrence...my concern is that EP has some sort of chronic tendonitis or some undiagnosed tendon issue...his wrist injury went on far longer than it should have back in 2021, and his knee injury has gone on longer than it should have this year...I'm not sure how he can, in good conscience, play at the 4 Nations nonsense...if he's injured he should take the rest, like QH...if its a strength training thing, rest from hockey and get some training in...it seems selfish to me, especially after what has transpired so far this season. IMO, playing in this tournament it seems irresponsible to me, unless its just a confidence thing...then the injury and strength conditioning excuses go out the window.

Through consistent overloading he could have had more chronic/degenerative changes to his tendons on imaging but that doesn't always 1:1 translate to pain/performance.

Fine balance of movement acceptance/optimism and avoidance - he's playing in the NHL and likely needs to continue working through this at this point. If he was really flared up, he'd sit out. Again, this also comes down to his psychosocial status and movement behaviours. I think he more or less needs to trust himself more and get back to his roots - this low stake tournament might help him with that. I'd value that over doing like a week of heavy squats lol

 

[Bobby9]

Just take a break man.

We all can get lost in our emotions sometimes.

Lmao. You should take your own advice, man

 

[lawrence]

is there a way he can take an week off and do some training to get his leg strength back ?

 

[Bleach Clean]

There should be at least a couple of questions directed toward Tocchet, Pettersson, and any of the other relevant actors here:

How much consultation was there between Pettersson and Canucks medical staff about his injury and his off-season training program? If there wasn't a detailed consultation and a detailed plan developed, why not?

As the season approached, were there discussions about holding Pettersson out and continuing his rehab and fitness ramp-up? If not, why not?

I don't trust the NHL culture around the whole question of injury. Players are supposed to suck it up and play. They're not supposed to use injuries as an "excuse." (And then we get the whole post-playoff show when we learn how heroic all those players were who struggled through all the way to the cup while dealing with broken necks, etc.) It's not a context that would contribute to intelligent responses to situations such as Pettersson's.

They didn't think he was injured in the post-season presser. Given this, why would the off-season training around said injury be a priority?

To your other questions:



Last, isn't his offseason training besides the point? He went into 2023-24 conditioned well enough to pace 112 by the ASG!

His play dropped significantly from the ASG onwards. This is well before he had to condition properly in order to compensate for the lack of speed due to tendinitis.

 

[Coffee]

is there a way he can take an week off and do some training to get his leg strength back ?

as long as he takes magnesium supplements

 

[rypper]

Well, no shit.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

That is just Miller when things get difficult.

He is not getting young, he is desperate for a cup

 

[credulous]

is there a way he can take an week off and do some training to get his leg strength back ?

sure. he just needs the good gear

 

[F A N]

There are select players who can miss a bunch of time and then come back and not show much in the way of effects of being away. But we see a lot of players who miss training time in the summer and play poorly.

What I'm curious about (and it goes back to the earlier and endless discussions about this) is whether the Canucks were better off trying to rest Petey. Of course we were trying to win the Cup so it makes sense for Petey to play through things and deal with whatever he needs to deal with in the summer.

Petey did say he had to "train around" his knee issues.

 

[sting101]

So against Colorado his tendinitis was bad and against Toronto it wasn't? Against Detroit it was fine but against Edmonton not so much? And because it was good for the Toronto game he's good to play 4 Nations?

Way more going on that just knee tendinitis. Most of this is mental and how he's able to get himself mentally charged/focussed and into the games. Whether he even cared to play hockey and for this team.
Its been a theme since his 2nd season. Was a huge problem when BBoudreau came on board and again once the expectations of his contract came and he was already struggling.

But its obviously all the medical teams fault. Or off season training. Because as we know all the teams that got to the finals have months and months of training to get themselves ready and doctors of pro sports teams are the worst of all doctors.

it's actually odd hearing people think this is some sort of clarity and solution to the whole thing. Like no shit we knew he had tendinitis. And funny that the clarity person (Brisson) doesn't even know if he's still hurt.. that's how dialled in he is. Oh and he's his agent so it's completely unbiased.

And I'm sure he will never get banged up again or have any kind of adversity interviews or pressure he wont like.
So we're all good and cleared up until next time.....sounds great

 

[racerjoe]

So against Colorado his tendinitis was bad and against Toronto it wasn't? Against Detroit it was fine but against Edmonton not so much? And because it was good for the Toronto game he's good to play 4 Nations?

Way more going on that just knee tendinitis. Most of this is mental and how he's able to get himself mentally charged/focussed and into the games. Whether he even cared to play hockey and for this team.
Its been a theme since his 2nd season. Was a huge problem when BBoudreau came on board and again once the expectations of his contract came and he was already struggling.

But its obviously all the medical teams fault. Or off season training. Because as we know all the teams that got to the finals have months and months of training to get themselves ready and doctors of pro sports teams are the worst of all doctors.

it's actually odd hearing people think this is some sort of clarity and solution to the whole thing. Like no shit we knew he had tendinitis. And funny that the clarity person (Brisson) doesn't even know if he's still hurt.. that's how dialled in he is. Oh and he's his agent so it's completely unbiased.

And I'm sure he will never get banged up again or have any kind of adversity interviews or pressure he wont like.
So we're all good and cleared up until next time.....sounds great

O one is saying there isn’t more going on… just time lining, that was incidentally exactly like I said…

Hurt last year, bad offseason training (I am willing to have a conversation on whose fault that is), slow start bad confidence and slower from not training correctly and I am sure other. It all is connected.

 

[Nucker101]

This is a relief to hear considering how he's looked this season, hopefully he can see some specialists that aren't Canucks chiropractors and he doesn't get traded for Dylan Cozens.

 

[Lindgren]

They didn't think he was injured in the post-season presser. Given this, why would the off-season training around said injury be a priority?

To your other questions:



Last, isn't his offseason training besides the point? He went into 2023-24 conditioned well enough to pace 112 by the ASG!

His play dropped significantly from the ASG onwards. This is well before he had to condition properly in order to compensate for the lack of speed due to tendinitis.

I'm trying, but I'm not quite following your logic here. His play dropped after the ASG. Why should that mean he wouldn't have to follow a training program in the off season?

Their position taken in the post season presser, that he wasn't injured, is an example of the cultural issue I referred to. What's implied is something like this: "He was playing! Therefore he wasn't injured! Therefore we don't have to work on an off-season plan!"

 

[Grub]

I’d like to believe this, but why would Management go out and call out Pettersson on his professionalism if this was the case? Doesn’t add up.

 

[I am toxic]

This is a relief to hear considering how he's looked this season, hopefully he can see some specialists that aren't Canucks chiropractors and he doesn't get traded for Dylan Cozens.

Easy now

Let's not give chiropractors an even worse name* by comparing them to Canucks medical staff

*how is that even possible?

 

[sting101]

O one is saying there isn’t more going on… just time lining, that was incidentally exactly like I said…

Hurt last year, bad offseason training (I am willing to have a conversation on whose fault that is), slow start bad confidence and slower from not training correctly and I am sure other. It all is connected.

oh agree and i've even got time for the Miller mental abuse and how that would have adverse affects.

At the end of the day it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions about attitude insecurities and what most of us are really worried about and that's his ability to earn his contract and be the player to lean on to lead this team to a championship.

Without getting into arguments over it i will say nothing has really changed for me. We're further removed now that both Horvat and Miller are gone and he has less insulation up front.

The fact that so much drama confusion and mixed messages has surfaced makes it off putting

 

[bossram]

So against Colorado his tendinitis was bad and against Toronto it wasn't? Against Detroit it was fine but against Edmonton not so much? And because it was good for the Toronto game he's good to play 4 Nations?

Way more going on that just knee tendinitis. Most of this is mental and how he's able to get himself mentally charged/focussed and into the games. Whether he even cared to play hockey and for this team.
Its been a theme since his 2nd season. Was a huge problem when BBoudreau came on board and again once the expectations of his contract came and he was already struggling.

But its obviously all the medical teams fault. Or off season training. Because as we know all the teams that got to the finals have months and months of training to get themselves ready and doctors of pro sports teams are the worst of all doctors.

it's actually odd hearing people think this is some sort of clarity and solution to the whole thing. Like no shit we knew he had tendinitis. And funny that the clarity person (Brisson) doesn't even know if he's still hurt.. that's how dialled in he is. Oh and he's his agent so it's completely unbiased.

And I'm sure he will never get banged up again or have any kind of adversity interviews or pressure he wont like.
So we're all good and cleared up until next time.....sounds great

I mean, yeah. I've had tendonitis too. Like any injury, there's not a direct linear progression with recovery/pain management. Some days could, in fact, be worse than others in terms of pain and function.

I agree a lot of the issue is mental. But some days you can physically see he doesn't have any skating pop. He's been elite defensively all season, so I think it's pretty ridiculous to argue he doesn't "care" or isn't trying. But there are obvious physical limitations.

And yeah, I really wouldn't be lending any benefit of the doubt to the club's medical team's opinions or injury management strategies. Under this management group, they've been terrible.

I’d like to believe this, but why would Management go out and call out Pettersson on his professionalism if this was the case? Doesn’t add up.

They don't and never believed it was a significant injury that should have impacted him at all. Their record on injury management has been horrific under this brass, so that tracks.

Lmao. You should take your own advice, man

Bobby9 copium time

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm trying, but I'm not quite following your logic here. His play dropped after the ASG. Why should that mean he wouldn't have to follow a training program in the off season?

Their position taken in the post season presser, that he wasn't injured, is an example of the cultural issue I referred to. What's implied is something like this: "He was playing! Therefore he wasn't injured! Therefore we don't have to work on an off-season plan!"

Essentially, you just stated it: Management didn't view him as being injured and so his offseason plan wasn't of utmost concern.

I think he was more or less left to train as he usually does.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

I've heard some really bad things about Miller (not sure if true) but allegedly Quinn and DeBrusk had enough and stepped in and went to management and that led to him being the one traded. Allegedly.

 

[racerjoe]

oh agree and i've even got time for the Miller mental abuse and how that would have adverse affects.

At the end of the day it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions about attitude insecurities and what most of us are really worried about and that's his ability to earn his contract and be the player to lean on to lead this team to a championship.

Without getting into arguments over it i will say nothing has really changed for me. We're further removed now that both Horvat and Miller are gone and he has less insulation up front.

The fact that so much drama confusion and mixed messages has surfaced makes it off putting

Just for clarification, you have been a mostly reasonable poster and that is why I am happy to converse with you, and disagreeing is where the fun can be.

However there are some posters that are just terrible and keep putting forth faulty logic, and bad faith arguments. Or when someone mentions Petterssons knee they just go oh another injury. I think they really hold decent conversation back.

Anyway back on topic.

I think it totally could point to other things we may need to be concerned with including confidence issues, or even having shot knees.

All we can do is look at this players past when healthy. He has proven to be a champion in the SHL and in the bubble playoffs was one of our best players. We absolutely need him to be at his best to have a shot at doing anything.

With his current defensive play I am more than willing to give him time to come back healthy and try to show he can bring back his offensive game too. I think it could be different if what we were seeing was a player not engaging in the defensive side as well it would show a player truly with a lack of fight in him. But it is because of that play that I do have belief he can bring back both and be the dominant centre we desperately need.

I also think if we trade him, we may as well just fully rebuild, we would never get back the assets we need to be a championship team at least not in time for Hughes to stick around.

 

[Slapshot_11]

It's in the player and agent best interest to blame his poor play on injury and training excuses

Not buying it

 

[Lindgren]

Essentially, you just stated it: Management didn't view him as being injured and so his offseason plan wasn't of utmost concern.

I think he was more or less left to train as he usually does.

So it seems somebody was negligent: Pettersson for not really disclosing what was going on, or management for refusing to take what they were hearing seriously.

 

[sting101]

I mean, yeah. I've had tendonitis too. Like any injury, there's not a direct linear progression with recovery/pain management. Some days could, in fact, be worse than others in terms of pain and function.

I agree a lot of the issue is mental. But some days you can physically see he doesn't have any skating pop. He's been elite defensively all season, so I think it's pretty ridiculous to argue he doesn't "care" or isn't trying. But there are obvious physical limitations.

And yeah, I really wouldn't be lending any benefit of the doubt to the club's medical team's opinions or injury management strategies. Under this management group, they've been terrible.

They don't and never believed it was a significant injury that should have impacted him at all. Their record on injury management has been horrific under this brass, so that tracks.

Which again begs the question why is he playing in the 4 Nations when critical rest time could be allocated? I'm referencing recent games not last year or October.

He's instinctively a good defensive player. I'm questioning his mental preparation that allows for optimal physical output. He hasn't matured much in this regard if some games he's got it and other's he doesn't. Again this goes back to pretty much 5 out of 7 seasons and he's been called out for it. You literally have Ray Ferraro saying in one game he looks good and another he looks barely a NHL player. There have been past precedent not just this year and then a week later he's good to go for Sweden in a fun tourney managing a crippling injury???

You don't know what was being conveyed and what wasn't. What choices were made by Pearson and Mikhayev and if the surgical staffs had much to do with our doctors and the recommendations vs mistakes and/or complications. I will definitely agree about not deserving benefit of the doubt but it's never black and white like some around here are acting.

EP40 has had mostly 4-4.5 months on his own to manage his own programs every summer. If he's hiring shit trainers that are unable to mange him through rehab plus training then he needs to find some that can. Again the CBA does not allow for team's to enforce much if anything during those times

 

[Bleach Clean]

So it seems somebody was negligent: Pettersson for not really disclosing what was going on, or management for refusing to take what they were hearing seriously.

Pettersson did disclose the injury to the medical staff (Batchelor tweet). It was decided that he could still play.

Then, Tocchet/Management were shocked that Pettersson maintained that he was injured in the post-season presser.

Clearly, they didn't see eye to eye on its severity.

 

[Bobby9]

Pretendonitis Pete feeling the heat now that JT can’t shelter him so he has his agent do damage control on his behalf.

Never seen a more high maintenance hockey player in my life. Dude is just a total headache all the time for the team, coaching and management.