Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[Hollywood Burrows]

Mmhm.

Its almost exactly what Ive been saying all along. And been made fun of for saying it.

Oh well.

his agent and a deranged superfan who replies to every post about his hero and has spent months suggesting there's a conspiracy within the canucks org to destroy their most important player: two credible sources

 

[Canucker]

No.


Injured.

Or.

He just lost the will to compete when with the puck. But does want to compete with out the puck.

Yeah... Makes a ton of sense.

I'm not suggesting he doesn't have the "will to compete", and I'm not suggesting he wasn't injured at some point...I'm suggesting he could very well be damaged goods and may never be worth $11.6m/year...which is why I ultimately hope management has done their homework on him going into this off-season, because if they have any doubts about him, I'd prefer to get rid of him now than be anchored to his contract...if they are confident this is just a strength and conditioning thing, then by all means keep him...but I don't want to hear any excuses about tendonitis next season.

 

[Bobby9]

Another post void of logic.

Just pure unadulterated bias.

You really shouldn't be talking about bias.

Heres my bias:

49 GP.
11 Goals.
23 Assists.

​

For 12 M.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

his agent and a deranged superfan who replies to every post about his hero and has spent months suggesting there's a conspiracy within the canucks org to destroy their most important player: two credible sources

Rewrite your post again so that it actually includes a coherent thought based in reality.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Does that sound plausible?

Yes.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I'm not suggesting he doesn't have the "will to compete", and I'm not suggesting he wasn't injured at some point...I'm suggesting he could very well be damaged goods and may never be worth $11.6m/year...which is why I ultimately hope management has done their homework on him going into this off-season, because if they have any doubts about him, I'd prefer to get rid of him now than be anchored to his contract...if they are confident this is just a strength and conditioning thing, then by all means keep him...but I don't want to hear any excuses about tendonitis next season.

What if the problem exists next season?

What do you want to hear then?

 

[TruGr1t]

Perhaps it's something like this:

Pettersson has tendonitis and it affected his play in the latter half of last season and into the playoffs. The team tells him to strengthen the surrounding muscles as part of his off-season training. Petey was like, nah. He wants it to rest instead. The team has no say in offseason training as per the CBA.

Petey comes back having rested his knee and did little to strengthen the muscles surrounding it. Petey is out of shape due to resting injury, Miller becomes irate, inflaming past bad blood.

Petey is not able to play up to his standarrds due to poor rehab plan and inability to train due to training around his knee injury. His way is shown to be the wrong course of action leading to Allvin's 'disappointed' comments to the media. Petey comes around to the idea that he should have trained differently last summer but there's no going back at this point.

Does that sound plausible?

Dunno. I do know the organization has downplayed any injury at every turn.

 

[Bgav]

But but but the team said he isn’t injured!!!

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Perhaps it's something like this:

Pettersson has tendonitis and it affected his play in the latter half of last season and into the playoffs. The team tells him to strengthen the surrounding muscles as part of his off-season training. Petey was like, nah. He wants it to rest instead. The team has no say in offseason training as per the CBA.

I HIGHLY doubt Pettersson makes a decision like that on his own.

He delegates to a team of specialists of their field designing his offseason training.

Petey comes back having rested his knee and did little to strengthen the muscles surrounding it. Petey is out of shape due to resting injury, Miller becomes irate, inflaming past bad blood.

This part is plausible to me.

Petey is not able to play up to his standarrds due to poor rehab plan and inability to train due to training around his knee injury. His way is shown to be the wrong course of action leading to Allvin's 'disappointed' comments to the media. Petey comes around to the idea that he should have trained differently last summer but there's no going back at this point.

I again highly doubt he made this decision so this part makes very little sense.

Does that sound plausible?

Some of it does.

You really shouldn't be talking about bias.

Heres my bias:

49 GP.
11 Goals.
23 Assists.

​

For 12 M.

Just take a break man.

We all can get lost in our emotions sometimes.

 

[Bleach Clean]

But but but the team said he isn’t injured!!!

Well in fairness, Brisson doesn't apparently know if whether Pettersson is still dealing with said injury right now. (Conditioning aside)

Both he and Allvin have now danced around that status.

All told, Brisson is going to back his client, take it for what it is.

 

[Canucker]

What if the problem exists next season?

What do you want to hear then?

I'd love to hear that its someone else's problem...barring that and we've kept him I want to hear that someone has been fired for mismanaging his condition and EP has been shelved indefinitely. I'd also probably investigate EP to see if lying about his condition and his off-season training would constitute a breach of contract.

 

[krutovsdonut]

not buying this at all.

this coming out at the same day it is lowkey announced petey is officially off the market is your first clue. it's a truce and coordinated damage control and spin and the canucks made the agent say it because they would not. if it were true the team would have been talking about it all season to manage the shit show. instead they were trying to trade petey, making dragging comments about his professionalism, and have only just now given up on trading and are making the best of the situation.

if you heal an injury and that leaves you out of shape to start the season then teams usually know this and hold you out of games or limit minutes so you can do conditioning and they also tell fans to manage expectations.

and if ep40 unilaterally didn't train last summer based on competent advice about injury recovery then that should have been coordinated with the team even if there was disagreement. he also would know he would risk being out of shape coming into camp to a degree he couldn't recover in season. if he was being a professional it would have made sense to prepare the ground for that with his teammates and the team so they'd be on the same page and there would be messaging to manage fan expectations. there is zero indication that happened and plenty to the contrary.

if otoh, ep dogged it last summer, got embarrassed at camp, sparked a drama that got the other best player on the team traded and pissed off management so much they wanted to trade him, but alsotanked his value to the point the team tried but couldn't get value, and now the team has finally given in and decided to make the best of it and wants to rehab petey's reputation given he is their star now, this is exactly what it looks like.

hopefully petey gets his shit together this summer and comes back and atones.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Always knew there was something wrong. Guy looked like a toddler to start the 20-21, 21-22 & 23-24 seasons. Should have been allowed to rest.

Too bad players aren't allowed to train during the season. At least he has responsibly opted out of this lame tournament, to focus and dedicate himself to the Nucks.

Luckily Draisaitl was equally hampered by his playoff injuries and shortened offseason. We may still have a chance against EDM due to his down season.

 

[Curm]

This potentially exposes a massive gap in communication between EP40's camp and the team. Brisson also handles Hughes, Dhaliwal calls him hockey's most powerful agent, and surely he's been in contact with the team frequently over the last number of months. Some of the commentary to the media should have been dialled back long before Allvin's interview with IMac in January.

Or this is damage control designed to provide EP40 with a clean slate and to take some of the heat off with Pettersson now pulled from the market, Miller gone, and everybody wanting the focus to be on both the player and team closing the season out strong.

Either way, hopefully the noise settles down, EP40 turns the corner, and with Hughes returning, the team can have a good playoff run.

 

[Russian_fanatic]

This is all we wanted... full transparency.

I'm willing to excuse his poor play. Missing an entire off season is tough. Hopefully he can salvage his season, rest up, and come back to the beast we all know he was.

Core and lower body training is a must for a guy like Petey.

 

[iceburg]

This injury narrative actually seems quite plausible. It doesn't answer the question whether his reduced/modified level of training was adequate in the context of his injury. What I'm saying here is that there's room for both, he had to modify his training because of the injury AND the club didn't think he did enough in the off season. I suspect this is closer to reality than an either/or scenario.

 

[supercanuck]

This all makes sense to me. The main issue is/was that our totally incompetent medical staff probably told management/coaches that EP's injury was minor, whereas EP felt that it was quite debilitating. Shades of Cody Hodgson / Jack Eichel.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

lest we forget the difference in medical opinion between bure and the canucks bitd....

otoh, i’m sure there were many good reasons why pierre turgeon sucked in the playoffs, or keith tkachuk, or joe thornton, or auston matthews. but the fun of being a fan is piling onto these players for being losers and projecting character flaws on them.

like, if i can’t unreasonably hate on markus naslund what am i even doing here?

 

[Soups On]

Some really interesting comments here but that's tendonitis for you. I've said this countlessly so I'll say it again like Kevin Malone here where it's most relevant.

Tendonitis - rest to avoid acute flare up but must OPTIMALLY load. Need physio and staff to identify. Build load tolerance but should stop explosive movements. If too much load. Ouchie - now lower load movements hurt more and inhibit movement. Repeat cycle. If do too much - degenerative tendon. Now big f***ed, long recovery. Summer time Petey did rest to recover but sound like not enough load into patellar tendon. Did not get as much power volume. Maybe did lot of adductor and hamstring strength to "train around knee" - but big mistake. Need load quad. Lots.


But seriously, this is why players can play through this vs not play through and MCL sprain. Tendons feel better with load but you sometimes cannot find out if it was too much until later. And then if tendon is highly irritable and sensitive, then the psychological impact with repetitive bouts of overloading and suffering the consequences is a lot to manage. I'm thinking it's a lot of this secondary piece at this point. There's just no way they didn't heavy load his quads in the offseason.

I'm not suggesting he doesn't have the "will to compete", and I'm not suggesting he wasn't injured at some point...I'm suggesting he could very well be damaged goods and may never be worth $11.6m/year...which is why I ultimately hope management has done their homework on him going into this off-season, because if they have any doubts about him, I'd prefer to get rid of him now than be anchored to his contract...if they are confident this is just a strength and conditioning thing, then by all means keep him...but I don't want to hear any excuses about tendonitis next season.

Near 100% recovery of tendonitis in athletes and general population. Genetics and rehab play an important role to get someone where they need to be, but not damaged goods. Hip and knee surgeries, depending on what's done, are more likely to have lingering problems and increased injury risks

 

[Hodgy]

i get that this is just pettersson's camp's position but i don't get how management and coaching can have said everything they said over the last three months if this is all true

Ya, for sure. The messaging from management on Pettersson and the idea that Pettersson did nothing wrong but was only injury, cannot be reconciled unless you assume management are morons and/or have zero information/understanding of Pettersson's injury.

Dunno. I do know the organization has downplayed any injury at every turn.

Two things could explain this, and both could be true:

1) Management doesn't want any players to have any excuses even if playing through and injury; and/or

2) Management doesn't think the injury was every very serious.

Well in fairness, Brisson doesn't apparently know if whether Pettersson is still dealing with said injury right now. (Conditioning aside)

Both he and Allvin have now danced around that status.

All told, Brisson is going to back his client, take it for what it is.

Did Brisson admit to not knowing if Pettersson is currently injury, or was that just OP's comment?

If that is true, I find it personally telling that Brisson would essentially excuse a year's worth of poor play because of an injury but somehow not know if this same injury still existed? Like, if Pettersson was still injured, Brisson would know, and he would absolutely be excusing the current play based on that injury IMO.

This injury narrative actually seems quite plausible. It doesn't answer the question whether his reduced/modified level of training was adequate in the context of his injury. What I'm saying here is that there's room for both, he had to modify his training because of the injury AND the club didn't think he did enough in the off season. I suspect this is closer to reality than an either/or scenario.

Yes, definitely. And we've know since training camp that Pettersson had to "train around' the injury in the summer, so this isn't really a revelation. If you try to give all of the evidence meaning, and you assume management are rational actors, then I think you end up at the conclusion that Pettersson did in fact "train around" the injury, but that management thought the training was very poor notwithstanding the injury.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This injury narrative actually seems quite plausible. It doesn't answer the question whether his reduced/modified level of training was adequate in the context of his injury. What I'm saying here is that there's room for both, he had to modify his training because of the injury AND the club didn't think he did enough in the off season. I suspect this is closer to reality than an either/or scenario.

The club didn't think he was seriously injured in the back half of last year either. When he came into 2023-24 'adequately conditioned'. How do you reconcile that?

No, room for both doesn't mean both are equally plausible as primary factors.

 

[Shareefruck]

This is what I probably would have guessed was most likely/most plausible, but at the same time, the timing and source of this should leave it taken with a grain of salt, in my opinion.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This injury narrative actually seems quite plausible. It doesn't answer the question whether his reduced/modified level of training was adequate in the context of his injury. What I'm saying here is that there's room for both, he had to modify his training because of the injury AND the club didn't think he did enough in the off season. I suspect this is closer to reality than an either/or scenario.

Unless his knee got to be so bad that its basically off the scale that Im aware of...
To me it sounds like his summer training was not planned appropriately.

 

[Hodgy]

I get that its difficult for players to increase strength / better condition themselves in season, but I don't think I have ever heard of a player's performance for an entire season be effectively excused and assumed as being poor as a result of the rehabilitation of an injury in the preceding summer.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Ya, for sure. The messaging from management on Pettersson and the idea that Pettersson did nothing wrong but was only injury, cannot be reconciled unless you assume management are morons and/or have zero information/understanding of Pettersson's injury.




Two things could explain this, and both could be true:

1) Management doesn't want any players to have any excuses even if playing through and injury; and/or

2) Management doesn't think the injury was every very serious.



Did Brisson admit to not knowing if Pettersson is currently injury, or was that just OP's comment?

If that is true, I find it personally telling that Brisson would essentially excuse a year's worth of poor play because of an injury but somehow not know if this same injury still existed? Like, if Pettersson was still injured, Brisson would know, and he would absolutely be excusing the current play based on that injury IMO.



Yes, definitely. And we've know since training camp that Pettersson had to "train around' the injury in the summer, so this isn't really a revelation. If you try to give all of the evidence meaning, and you assume management are rational actors, then I think you end up at the conclusion that Pettersson did in fact "train around" the injury, but that management thought the training was very poor notwithstanding the injury.

Or the 3rd very obvious explanation.

The Canucks med staff is not competent.