Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[KiwiGriff]

I think they said post-game that RyJo wasn't feeling the best, which was the reason for the reduced minutes. Don't quote me or anything but I remember something about that. Maybe he caught whatever Joker had.

If they send RyJo down we riot right?

Fixed it.

 

[TehDoak]

Adams doesn’t sign anyone to back up a rookie. “Can you believe how he neglects the roster.”

Adams signs a veteran to protect a rookie and the rookie emerges and takes the spot. “Well Adams has to admit he made a mistake.”

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

he had a logjam on defense BEFORE RJ made the roster though, which is part of the problem.

I'm glad Adams added some defensive depth this summer, but my guess is he planned on jettisoning someone and found there wasn't a market (much like with Olofsson)

 

[Gras]

he had a logjam on defense BEFORE RJ made the roster though, which is part of the problem.

I'm glad Adams added some defensive depth this summer, but my guess is he planned on jettisoning someone and found there wasn't a market (much like with Olofsson)

He did jettison Boosh.

 

[old kummelweck]

Thanks for the opportunity guys!

If he were a center, he wouldn't be going back down.

 

[joshjull]

If he were a center, he wouldn't be going back down.

Cleary thats not true since he is and he’s going back down.

 

[Uberpecker]

As long as you don’t expect Sturm to be good. He’s an upgrade on Krebs in some regards but a downgrade in others. Might ultimately be a wash.

It's really more about Krebs and his development imo and who could be a serviceable veteran bottom 6C to replace him.
Sturm always seemed capable of filling that role to me, unless things have changed?
If there's an even better alternative out there I'm obviously all ears.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's really more about Krebs and his development imo and who could be a serviceable veteran bottom 6C to replace him.
Sturm always seemed capable of filling that role to me, unless things have changed?
If there's an even better alternative out there I'm obviously all ears.

I can’t say I’ve ever focused on him much, and I stopped watching west coast games before he joined the league so I’m probably just biased by the one game I’m remembering. So maybe ignore me on this lol.

I support it in theory but would have think hard before deciding on Krebs in particular. I think I posted this exact trade earlier but then I watched him play one game and am now second guessing myself.

But yeah, that’s at least the kind of thing Adams should be looking at, 100%

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

he had a logjam on defense BEFORE RJ made the roster though, which is part of the problem.

I'm glad Adams added some defensive depth this summer, but my guess is he planned on jettisoning someone and found there wasn't a market (much like with Olofsson)

7 nhl caliber D and Bryson is apparently a logjam? Theyve had what? 5-6 games this season where theyve had all their D healthy?

The #7 will play 60 games this year, having 7 D you want on the ice is not a logjam

theyre running 11/7 because they dont have 12 forwards you want on the ice

 

[Dingo44]

The boys REALLY love Bryson. I'm sure that comes into play.

 

[BFLO]

Adams doesn’t sign anyone to back up a rookie. “Can you believe how he neglects the roster.”

Adams signs a veteran to protect a rookie and the rookie emerges and takes the spot. “Well Adams has to admit he made a mistake.”

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Signing a good veteran to protect a rookie, who get's beat out by the rookie, isn't a mistake. That just means you have a really good rookie and a strong overall roster with good depth. But that's not what happened here.

Signing one of the 10 worst defensemen in the league to the largest UFA contract you've given out in your 4 year career as GM, to be the "good veteran to protect a rookie", is a huge mistake. Running 11-7 so you can keep the mistake in the lineup even after he's been beat out by the rookie is an even bigger mistake.

In GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes, Clifton is 10th from the bottom.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Signing a good veteran to protect a rookie, who get's beat out by the rookie, isn't a mistake. That just means you have a really good rookie and a strong overall roster with good depth. But that's not what happened here.

Signing one of the 10 worst defensemen in the league to the largest UFA contract you've given out in your 4 year career as GM, to be the "good veteran to protect a rookie", is a huge mistake. Running 11-7 so you can keep the mistake in the lineup even after he's been beat out by the rookie is an even bigger mistake.

In GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes, Clifton is 10th from the bottom.

If you keep repeating LARGEST CONTRACT it doesn’t change that you’re talking about a 3 million dollar contract that doesn’t even sniff the shadows of the contracts Adams has given out.

 

[TageGod]

Signing a good veteran to protect a rookie, who get's beat out by the rookie, isn't a mistake. That just means you have a really good rookie and a strong overall roster with good depth. But that's not what happened here.

Signing one of the 10 worst defensemen in the league to the largest UFA contract you've given out in your 4 year career as GM, to be the "good veteran to protect a rookie", is a huge mistake. Running 11-7 so you can keep the mistake in the lineup even after he's been beat out by the rookie is an even bigger mistake.

In GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes, Clifton is 10th from the bottom.

That Vet was supposed to be EJ, he exceeded expectations here too. Clifton is also the odd man out on his off hand, which is a big deal for D. He is showing some flashes of trending up now. It's just a good problem to have really. Ryan Johnson will have stretches where he struggles.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I think Clifton has looked better lately and it’s important to get him playing to his potential. He has an important skill set and the Sabres have made a commitment to him, I don’t think benching him is the answer. RJ will get plenty of games because of injuries, he can still develop in the AHL, and he will have a a lot here next year when EJ leaves.

I still think RJ should be sent down. Don’t like this 7 defensmen rotation, even though that’s probably more because of our forwards than anything

 

[Zman5778]

I think Clifton has looked better lately and it’s important to get him playing to his potential. He has an important skill set and the Sabres have made a commitment to him, I don’t think benching him is the answer. RJ will get plenty of games because of injuries, he can still develop in the AHL, and he will have a a lot here next year when EJ leaves.

I still think RJ should be sent down. Don’t like this 7 defensmen rotation, even though that’s probably more because of our forwards than anything

I think the best thing we could do for Clifton would be to move him to the right side on a more permanent basis, but that might not happen until next season OR E.Johnson starts to show his age and we have to scratch him later in the season sometimes.

He shows signs of being a really solid 3rd pair guy and is pretty damned good on the PK.

I agree about RJ. Especially if his usage is going to plateau at 10-12 min per game. Yeah, he had the 25 min game against the Devils.....but otherwise I'd much rather him get 20 min a night in Rochester than 10 min a night here.

 

[joshjull]

Signing a good veteran to protect a rookie, who get's beat out by the rookie, isn't a mistake. That just means you have a really good rookie and a strong overall roster with good depth. But that's not what happened here.

Signing one of the 10 worst defensemen in the league to the largest UFA contract you've given out in your 4 year career as GM, to be the "good veteran to protect a rookie", is a huge mistake. Running 11-7 so you can keep the mistake in the lineup even after he's been beat out by the rookie is an even bigger mistake.

In GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes, Clifton is 10th from the bottom.

You really are on a bender with the analytics the last month or so. Did you get subscriptions to some of those websites recently?

 

[BFLO]

If you keep repeating LARGEST CONTRACT it doesn’t change that you’re talking about a 3 million dollar contract that doesn’t even sniff the shadows of the contracts Adams has given out.

Largest UFA contract. I didn't leave out the UFA part, you did.

That Vet was supposed to be EJ, he exceeded expectations here too. Clifton is also the odd man out on his off hand, which is a big deal for D. He is showing some flashes of trending up now. It's just a good problem to have really. Ryan Johnson will have stretches where he struggles.

EJ may be better than Clifton, but I don't think 33rd from the bottom in GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes is "exceeding expectations".

He's like a Josh Gorges 2.0, brining that "veteran presence" and shot blocking, but the reason he blocks so many shots is because he can't get the puck back.

 

[joshjull]

The boys REALLY love Bryson. I'm sure that comes into play.

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For some reason the Sabres interviewed a young lumberjack today

 

[BFLO]

You really are on a bender with the analytics the last month or so. Did you get subscriptions to some of those websites recently?

It's a bender that began last year. I guess i've reached a critical mass of analytics posts that everybody seems to be noticing it now.

Only subscription is to evolving hockey $4.99/month. Natural stat trick is free.

My job is in finance, crunching large data sets in excel. So applying my skill set to my hockey hobby just kind of happened. And I was tired of getting the analytics 2nd hand from people like Jfresh or Chad. I'd rather see the raw data and interpret it myself, since I had also watched the games with my own eyes.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Signing a good veteran to protect a rookie, who get's beat out by the rookie, isn't a mistake. That just means you have a really good rookie and a strong overall roster with good depth. But that's not what happened here.

Signing one of the 10 worst defensemen in the league to the largest UFA contract you've given out in your 4 year career as GM, to be the "good veteran to protect a rookie", is a huge mistake. Running 11-7 so you can keep the mistake in the lineup even after he's been beat out by the rookie is an even bigger mistake.

In GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes, Clifton is 10th from the bottom.

Not disagreeing with your overall point but using GAR/60 to assess a bottom pairing defensemen will only lead you to bad places.

 

[old kummelweck]

Any update on Greenway? I know he was at practice yesterday, but had to sit down with Adams afterward.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Any update on Greenway? I know he was at practice yesterday, but had to sit down with Adams afterward.

The answer yesterday from Granato was “probably playing.”

 

[TageGod]

Largest UFA contract. I didn't leave out the UFA part, you did.


EJ may be better than Clifton, but I don't think 33rd from the bottom in GAR/60 of defensemen with minimum TOI 200 minutes is "exceeding expectations".

He's like a Josh Gorges 2.0, brining that "veteran presence" and shot blocking, but the reason he blocks so many shots is because he can't get the puck back.

a slow start will do a lot to contribute to those numbers.

 

[joshjull]

It's a bender that began last year. I guess i've reached a critical mass of analytics posts that everybody seems to be noticing it now.

Only subscription is to evolving hockey $4.99/month. Natural stat trick is free.

My job is in finance, crunching large data sets in excel. So applying my skill set to my hockey hobby just kind of happened. And I was tired of getting the analytics 2nd hand from people like Jfresh or Chad. I'd rather see the raw data and interpret it myself, since I had also watched the games with my own eyes.

I don’t blame you.

 

[Snippit]

Bruins fans did tell us Clifton was up and down, but overall they were content with him on the 3rd pair. We have him on the third pair now, so hopefully what we’ve seen is a “down”

 

[BFLO]

Bruins fans did tell us Clifton was up and down, but overall they were content with him on the 3rd pair. We have him on the third pair now, so hopefully what we’ve seen is a “down”

Bruins fans were also content with him sitting in the press box during stretches when he wasn't playing well.