Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[TehDoak]

The Lightning will have to make some tough decisions this summer. Stamkos walking is probably the most likely outcome but if not... Cirelli and Černák are very interesting names

So, their D and G are set with Sergachev healthy.

They have 11.5M in cap space with 9 forwards, 5D and 1 G

I think you can make the space needed rather easy.

Buyout Sheary, saves 1.5M this year and 1M the year after, so 13M

Move Jeannot, that's 2.6M freed.

You are now at 15.5M with 7 forwards, 5D, 1G.

So that really leaves: What to do with Stamkos. Practically, he's 34. But, he hasn't dropped off as much as typical for the aging curve, and he's won two cups and been to 4 finals as the teams captain. So there is a loyalty there.

You have two forwards without trade protection, and that is Hagel and Cirelli. It'll be harder to replace Cirelli and he's a home grown talent. Hagel is probably the no brainer to move on, even though he's been very productive. He'll net a decent return and you can probably get a ELC winger back and draft capital.

 

[Aladyyn]

So, their D and G are set with Sergachev healthy.

They have 11.5M in cap space with 9 forwards, 5D and 1 G

I think you can make the space needed rather easy.

Buyout Sheary, saves 1.5M this year and 1M the year after, so 13M

Move Jeannot, that's 2.6M freed.

You are now at 15.5M with 7 forwards, 5D, 1G.

So that really leaves: What to do with Stamkos. Practically, he's 34. But, he hasn't dropped off as much as typical for the aging curve, and he's won two cups and been to 4 finals as the teams captain. So there is a loyalty there.

You have two forwards without trade protection, and that is Hagel and Cirelli. It'll be harder to replace Cirelli and he's a home grown talent. Hagel is probably the no brainer to move on, even though he's been very productive. He'll net a decent return and you can probably get a ELC winger back and draft capital.

Hagel just signed his extension, he's almost certainly in their plans. They also don't have anyone else of his ilk, as opposed to Nick Paul who makes half as much as Cirelli with a similar enough profile that they might be open to moving Cirelli. It probably won't happen but Adams should definitely probe around.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The Lightning will have to make some tough decisions this summer. Stamkos walking is probably the most likely outcome but if not... Cirelli and Černák are very interesting names

So, their D and G are set with Sergachev healthy.

They have 11.5M in cap space with 9 forwards, 5D and 1 G

I think you can make the space needed rather easy.

Buyout Sheary, saves 1.5M this year and 1M the year after, so 13M

Move Jeannot, that's 2.6M freed.

You are now at 15.5M with 7 forwards, 5D, 1G.

So that really leaves: What to do with Stamkos. Practically, he's 34. But, he hasn't dropped off as much as typical for the aging curve, and he's won two cups and been to 4 finals as the teams captain. So there is a loyalty there.

You have two forwards without trade protection, and that is Hagel and Cirelli. It'll be harder to replace Cirelli and he's a home grown talent. Hagel is probably the no brainer to move on, even though he's been very productive. He'll net a decent return and you can probably get a ELC winger back and draft capital.

I don't see Tampa having any tough decisions. The cap is going up, Stamkos is leaving, and they'll have plenty of space.

If they do nothing - no buyouts, no trades, etc. then this is their lineup.

Hagel - Point - Kucherov
Sheary - Cirelli - Jeannot
xxx - Paul - xxx
xxx - xxx - xxx

Hedman - Cernak
Sergachev - Perbix
xxx - xxx

Vasilevskiy
xxx

Cirelli and Cernak are both 26 years old right now. Point is 28. Sergachev is 25. Those are the players they shouldn't trade.

They've got nothing for draft picks, so if they aren't close at the deadline, maybe move Hedman and Jeannot. But they've got the high end players in key spots, and just need to fill the back end out and re-stock their prospect pool.

It's a good position to be in.

 

[TehDoak]

Hagel just signed his extension, he's almost certainly in their plans. They also don't have anyone else of his ilk, as opposed to Nick Paul who makes half as much as Cirelli with a similar enough profile that they might be open to moving Cirelli. It probably won't happen but Adams should definitely probe around.

I mean, I'd take Cirelli here in a heartbeat. Essentially plugs into that 3C role. Young enough and signed long term.

It's probably a deal like Buffalo's 1st + Ostlund though, I'm not sure if Adams is keen on paying that price. If they throw in Jeannot as well. Can probably flip Joker elsewhere to recoup some of that draft capital too.

 

[brian_griffin]

Assuming Stamkos goes home to Toronto, signs 5-year deal, Leafs have half their cap tied up in 4 forwards, ensuring 60+ years since their last Cup win in 1967.

Where can I endorse that plan?

 

[toddkaz]

A 5th doesn't help the team at all. Having depth does. That's why it's pointless to just trade a guy for a 5th-7th unless you're in such salary cap hell. Keep the guy at that point.

And bringing back Okposo was the biggest mistake...? How impactful do you think 4th liners are? You can complain about how Granato used him at times (in critical situations or on the PP). Other than that Okposo is a perfectly fine 4th liner.

The reason why we didn't make the playoffs this year was the top 6 regressing & the PP sucking. Bringing back Clague or any other depth guy has nothing to do with it.

Lets drop the smokescreen by saying depth players. We got plenty of depth players in the minors and easily tradable for a 5th pick from other NHL teams like Robinson was a conditional 7th. We are talking about Victor Olofsson not depth players. You are trying to spin.

Your statement then implies. Victor Olofsson helps this team win. You say depth players help. You think Victor Olofsson helps this team win.

So by your own admission you think Olofsson helps this team win? A simple yes or no question. Care to answer?


Victor Olofsson in my opinion does nothing for this team and there are players out there that are available for 5th, 6th and 7th round picks like Robinson. So you think Victor Olofsson helps this team win you should be for signing him then right?


Nonsense that you argue with me about Victor Oloffson being good for this team and helps this team win by using a smoke screen and calling him a depth player. He will be lucky to get a contract from an NHL club next year and if he does its probably going to be league minimum.

The fan mentality of this organization after 13 years is to think Victor Olofsson is a player who helps this team is beyond reason.

And yes its only Victor Olofsson who cares but its a part of a bigger picture where Adams continues to bring in fringe NHL players who other teams don't even want and our fan base thinks these depth players help us win even though we missed the playoffs 13 years in a row.

Keep applauding those depth players helping us win nothing. 90% of the players Adams signs aren't even NHL players but ya, depth helps us win!

 

[toddkaz]

Harping about 4th line, 14th forwards and 8+ D is such a strange hill to die on.

Sabres werent gonna get someone like Tarasenko to sign and be like, he we have this roster spot for you but when this guy comes back from injury hes gonna get his spot back, so your role will get diminished.

Me in the Roster thread - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

HF Posters - No we need depth

Also

HF Posters in the GDT - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

Its almost like people arguing just to argue.

As for the hill to die on, I made an observation based on my opinion first. You are the one that keeps coming back and arguing with me. You are the one dying on this hill that Olofsson is needed. Am I not allowed to critique the team? Or when you say stop I have to stop? No one forced you to respond. Its a bizarre statement to make that has nothing to do with the conversation but I guess you are at the top of that hill and I should just shut up now? Your comment has nothing to do with the conversation.

The forum rules are to discuss the topic at hand not make it personal like you are doing and discussing the veracity of my commitment to the topic.

Damn, I made a simple statement that Olofsson shouldn't be on this team anymore and Adams dropped the ball and I got 5 people arguing with me about it saying he is needed and helps this team and then in the game day thread they all call him trassh.

 

[Matt Ress]

I am no Skinner apologist but I will say that he is the opposite of a lot of our forwards in that he's a player that does well down low with not a lot of space. On the perimeter and in space he really doesn't do great at all which explains why he does better 5v5 as opposed to the PP

 

[OkimLom]

Me in the Roster thread - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

HF Posters - No we need depth

Also

HF Posters in the GDT - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

Its almost like people arguing just to argue.

Or lumping in a group of posters that have all their own opinions, regardless of which side they actually may stand on, as one, is a bad take.

 

[DeletedUser539]

I am no Skinner apologist but I will say that he is the opposite of a lot of our forwards in that he's a player that does well down low with not a lot of space. On the perimeter and in space he really doesn't do great at all which explains why he does better 5v5 as opposed to the PP

Skinner scores 5v5 goals at a top rate if Tage and cozens bounce back he will be looking at 35-40 goals again

 

[Matt Ress]

Skinner scores 5v5 goals at a top rate if Tage and cozens bounce back he will be looking at 35-40 goals again

Yeah exactly but on the flip side I think he relies on other guys to get the puck in the zone and to the net

 

[DeletedUser539]

Yeah exactly but on the flip side I think he relies on other guys to get the puck in the zone and to the net

True but his style compliments our transition playerswe have tuch, Thompson, cozens, jjp who are good at getting the puck in the zone also savoie coming in will be a great transition player as well

 

[Matt Ress]

True but his style compliments our transition playerswe have tuch, Thompson, cozens, jjp who are good at getting the puck in the zone also savoie coming in will be a great transition player as well

That's true but when the transition game isn't going and there's no rebounds to clean up, he doesn't offer much more to the game. To me, definitely a fast twitch guy that can get the puck off his stick but really kind of insists on getting the puck off his stick. He used to be a little more effective at skating with the puck and using his unique skating style. Maybe that's the difference between his up and down seasons.

 

[Beerz]

True but his style compliments our transition playerswe have tuch, Thompson, cozens, jjp who are good at getting the puck in the zone also savoie coming in will be a great transition player as well

Meh.. I would not classify Thompson and Cozens or even Tuch as good in bringing the puck into the zone

All 3 either bury their head and try to bust thru 3 guys or try to stick handle around them and end up turning it over.

Power and Dahlin I think are our best

 

[SabresFanNorthPortFL]

Harping about 4th line, 14th forwards and 8+ D is such a strange hill to die on.

Sabres werent gonna get someone like Tarasenko to sign and be like, he we have this roster spot for you but when this guy comes back from injury hes gonna get his spot back, so your role will get diminished.

I don't think it's about the fourth line, per se, but rather constructing the roster properly. Oloffson can't be looked at as "depth" but rather another soft, redundant player that he brought back. .

I don't look at him signing guys to be fourth liners but roster spots, and our roster had holes (role players) that needed to be filled. That's why I didn't like him bringing back a few of these guys.

 

[DeletedUser539]

Meh.. I would not classify Thompson and Cozens or even Tuch as good in bringing the puck into the zone

All 3 either bury their head and try to bust thru 3 guys or try to stick handle around them and end up turning it over.

Power and Dahlin I think are our best

True I think they are the best transition players on the team where the three aforementioned are decent at establishing possession within the zone once we enter

 

[Gras]

Me in the Roster thread - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

HF Posters - No we need depth

Also

HF Posters in the GDT - Victor Olofsson is useless and should have been traded long ago!

Its almost like people arguing just to argue.

As for the hill to die on, I made an observation based on my opinion first. You are the one that keeps coming back and arguing with me. You are the one dying on this hill that Olofsson is needed. Am I not allowed to critique the team? Or when you say stop I have to stop? No one forced you to respond. Its a bizarre statement to make that has nothing to do with the conversation but I guess you are at the top of that hill and I should just shut up now? Your comment has nothing to do with the conversation.

The forum rules are to discuss the topic at hand not make it personal like you are doing and discussing the veracity of my commitment to the topic.

Damn, I made a simple statement that Olofsson shouldn't be on this team anymore and Adams dropped the ball and I got 5 people arguing with me about it saying he is needed and helps this team and then in the game day thread they all call him trassh.

Its called following the logic of why VO is still here.

KA was likely looking to trade VO since the last deadline since he was starting to fall out of favor.

During offseason training Quinn gets hurt

VO competes with other internal players for Quinns roster spot with Benson, Savoie, Rusek, Kulich, Rosen.

VO loses competition to Benson so hes relegated to 12/13th forward and rotates in and out of the lineup

Quinn comes back from injury for about a month which pushed VO into the 13th forward role

Quinn goes down with injury again, which nobody could have predicted would have happened which brings VO back from the 12/13th rotation

Lack of cap space amongst the league for competitive teams, so not worth adding VO to their rosters even at 50%

Teams with cap space dont need him because most of them arent competitively in the playoff race.

 

[TommyDangles]

Lets drop the smokescreen by saying depth players. We got plenty of depth players in the minors and easily tradable for a 5th pick from other NHL teams like Robinson was a conditional 7th. We are talking about Victor Olofsson not depth players. You are trying to spin.

Your statement then implies. Victor Olofsson helps this team win. You say depth players help. You think Victor Olofsson helps this team win.

So by your own admission you think Olofsson helps this team win? A simple yes or no question. Care to answer?


Victor Olofsson in my opinion does nothing for this team and there are players out there that are available for 5th, 6th and 7th round picks like Robinson. So you think Victor Olofsson helps this team win you should be for signing him then right?


Nonsense that you argue with me about Victor Oloffson being good for this team and helps this team win by using a smoke screen and calling him a depth player. He will be lucky to get a contract from an NHL club next year and if he does its probably going to be league minimum.

The fan mentality of this organization after 13 years is to think Victor Olofsson is a player who helps this team is beyond reason.

And yes its only Victor Olofsson who cares but its a part of a bigger picture where Adams continues to bring in fringe NHL players who other teams don't even want and our fan base thinks these depth players help us win even though we missed the playoffs 13 years in a row.

Keep applauding those depth players helping us win nothing. 90% of the players Adams signs aren't even NHL players but ya, depth helps us win!

Victor Olofsson has had a positive impact on the ice this year, he has 6 goals (1 of them being game winning), and a positive GF. Explain to me how a 5th round pick is more valuable than that?

So to answer your question does he help the team win? Yes.

Olofsson is better depth than some Rochester call up. Compare his ability on the ice to Rousek or Brett Murray.

He objectively has helped the team this year. No clue what you're even rambling about.

Pointing the finger at depth players instead of the PP being terrible or top 6 regressing makes no sense.

 

[Misko]

It's honestly a bit jarring how for a team considered to have a gluttony of high-end forward prospects, it really feels like this teams forward group is just absolutely cooked every night. Tuch, Thompson and Cozens are still playing "well", but none of them are playing at the level they did last year and it has really weighed down this team. They are playing like quality 2nd line forwards when you need at least two of them to be playing as legitimate 1st line forwards. Unless these three players heal up (Still assuming that Thompson and Tuch have been playing banged up most of the season) and return to the form they showed last year, this team probably isn't making the playoffs for a few more years.

Thing is though this team also can't just depend on pure skill and talent either, even if Quinn comes back strong and the aforementioned forwards return to form, I don't think this team goes anywhere with this coaching staff. Their system is a joke at best, it's frustrating to watch them play listless hockey half of the nights, and I question Granato's decision making every game I watch with how he deploys the PP and rotates the lines. If this team keeps Granato going into the offseason, I'm not going to have much of a hope for playoffs next season either.

 

[TehDoak]

Come with me And you’ll see
A team lacking any inspiration.
Follow me and you’ll see
A coach and GM requiring forced resignation

 

[OkimLom]

Victor Olofsson has had a positive impact on the ice this year, he has 6 goals (1 of them being game winning), and a positive GF. Explain to me how a 5th round pick is more valuable than that?

I believe people wanting to move VO, even for a 5th round pick, were doing so because they felt they wanted to get SOMETHING before he potentially leaves in free agency, so a 5th rounder today isn't more valuable than VO this year, but has the potential to be shaped into a roster player down the road, which an asset for tomorrow is more valuable than whatever VO provides this year when looking down the road. What VO does in 2023-2024 means nothing to the team for the draft. And to play devils advocate, providing a spot on the roster for a prospect to get some playing time could have benefits for the organization down the road.

So to answer your question does he help the team win? Yes.

Olofsson is better depth than some Rochester call up. Compare his ability on the ice to Rousek or Brett Murray.

He objectively has helped the team this year. No clue what you're even rambling about.

Pointing the finger at depth players instead of the PP being terrible or top 6 regressing makes no sense.

What about when one of those depth players, is a big reason why the PP is terrible?

 

[stokes84]

Feels like our biggest need is a 1C. Again.

Spinning our tires for eternity.

Wouldn’t it be great if one of these high end draft picks outperforms their draft hype? Like every other team seems to get occasionally? They simply just can’t develop players in this organization like other teams do.

 

[toddkaz]

Its called following the logic of why VO is still here.

KA was likely looking to trade VO since the last deadline since he was starting to fall out of favor.

During offseason training Quinn gets hurt

VO competes with other internal players for Quinns roster spot with Benson, Savoie, Rusek, Kulich, Rosen.

VO loses competition to Benson so hes relegated to 12/13th forward and rotates in and out of the lineup

Quinn comes back from injury for about a month which pushed VO into the 13th forward role

Quinn goes down with injury again, which nobody could have predicted would have happened which brings VO back from the 12/13th rotation

Lack of cap space amongst the league for competitive teams, so not worth adding VO to their rosters even at 50%

Teams with cap space dont need him because most of them arent competitively in the playoff race.

Following Logic? You think Olofsson should still be on this team. Thats following your logic.

When you have dead weight you get rid off it. Are you not watching the product on the ice???? You think this team needs Olofsson?

Is this really the hill you want to die on?

 

[joshjull]

Following Logic? You think Olofsson should still be on this team. Thats following your logic.

When you have dead weight you get rid off it. Are you not watching the product on the ice???? You think this team needs Olofsson?

Is this really the hill you want to die on?

Have you?

We are where we are because our BEST players haven’t been good enough. They haven’t been close to good enough as a group.

Neither trading nor keeping VO fixes the top players not being good enough. It also doesn’t tell us much about Adams skills as a GM. It’s just a fixation you have.

 

[BFLO]

Feels like our biggest need is a 1C. Again.

Spinning our tires for eternity.

Wouldn’t it be great if one of these high end draft picks outperforms their draft hype? Like every other team seems to get occasionally? They simply just can’t develop players in this organization like other teams do.

We can and do develop players. We just let them leave or trade them away as soon they're done developing.

Ulmark, Reinhart, Eichel, Mitts. Depth players like E-rod or Ruhwedel. Trade away talent that we didn't draft, but are on the verge of breaking out like RoR and Montour.

And then the cycle repeats.