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Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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TheBarnIsElectric said:
I agree it's difficult, but that's no excuse for Adams. The fact that it's difficult is all the more reason to get it done when there are opportunities, and there have been opportunities. Good, top 4d without NTC's have been traded over the last couple of years (Hronek, Weegar, Chychrun, etc).

When the guys who can help us are available, you can't get cute and worry about "winning" the trade. We have the assets we need to acquire one of these players right now and still have a good forward corps and prospects afterwards. He just has to be willing to pay the price. Ideally it would have been last year when we had momentum and a chance to make the playoffs, but better late than never.
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Successfully agreeing on a trade price and having the players decline is actually not KA’s fault. He isn’t going to settle on someone else. He isn’t going to overpay this isn’t a cup contending team where you throw away assets to win now.
 
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It's at the point that it feels like they need to luck into something and it also seems like they're unlikely to luck into something roster-wise. They need someone to have a bit of a career resurrection but they have so many prospects that they're not going to "block the path" for that they're unlikely to be trying to sift out someone who could have a couple of years of usefulness. And at the same time, internally, there was a willingness to allow vets to be shitty because the younger players were willing to be unprofessional during the Eichel era. It's going to take something for them to either accidentally find someone useful and it feels like luck.

Snippit said:
how do people feel about re-signing Joker and what does his next deal look like?
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He's had a nice season, one of only two defensemen who I think has stepped ahead of last season for the entire year (Bryson being the other, though that's as their 8 now). However... they are both shy on RH shot defense and he's not a match for what I would like them to have to pair with Dahlin or Power. It's weird. I wouldn't mind him being their third option (with Dahlin or Power ahead of him on their offhand side) but they need more grunt back there. Him being off the PK most of the season is a big part of the improvement there IMO. He's not a shutdown guy but he's who they have.

As for how much, I don't know. Maybe if they could get him at Zach Whitecloud's cap figure or even Ryan Lindgren's? But maybe he's more and that's something that makes me squeamish honestly.
 
Irie said:
Tim Murray was the poster child for "Red Flag" shopper, and his dysfunctional locker room and team broke the first rebuild attempt.
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Disagree. Believe Murray would of got that team over the hump given the chance
 
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Beerz said:
Disagree. Believe Murray would of got that team over the hump given the chance
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I liked that Murray knew what he wanted, although I disagreed with his willingness to always include an extra nugget. Without having better communication with the team though, that group was a powder keg of dysfunction and leaving them alone to work out their baggage would not have gotten them further. Edit - those were some broken players, both physically and emotionally/mentally, and he was not the person to bring them out of that.
 
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Djp said:
you need media to release these names. Adam's isnt. He can release things on his own players. Teams have asked about Mitts and he has confirmed that.

I find it stupid and naive on here when the think Afams isnt doing anything. takes 2 to tango.
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I find it stupid and naive on here people who think Adams is doing something more than the minimum. Its 4 years of the minimum. Kicking tires is his specialty.
 
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Beerz said:
Disagree. Believe Murray would of got that team over the hump given the chance
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Chainshot said:
I liked that Murray knew what he wanted, although I disagreed with his willingness to always include an extra nugget. Without having better communication with the team though, that group was a powder keg of dysfunction and leaving them alone to work out their baggage would not have gotten them further. Edit - those were some broken players, both physically and emotionally/mentally, and he was not the person to bring them out of that.
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Eh, Murray was behind the times in what wins hockey games.

They heavy forward group was fine.. The heavy defense though, that was problematic. His two biggest acquisitions on defense (Gorges and Bogosion) were relics being asked to overplay their role. Franson was problematic. Kulikov was a solid pickup, but a freak accident essentially set that move on fire before there was a chance. Risto playing 26+ minutes a night. It was a recipe for disaster that wasn't easily fixed.
 
TehDoak said:
Eh, Murray was behind the times in what wins hockey games.

They heavy forward group was fine.. The heavy defense though, that was problematic. His two biggest acquisitions on defense (Gorges and Bogosion) were relics being asked to overplay their role. Franson was problematic. Kulikov was a solid pickup, but a freak accident essentially set that move on fire before there was a chance. Risto playing 26+ minutes a night. It was a recipe for disaster that wasn't easily fixed.
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Bogosian wasn't a relic, he was too wrapped up in maintaining his off-ice hobbies to take the time to fix the parts of his body he had broken. Gorges broke his knee, Kulikov his back and Bogo's hips - it all ties together. Then he had a coach who wanted his beefy defensemen to stretch pass their way out of trouble when they didn't have the ability. Broke was one of the guys they needed the most and he outright delivered the least and much of that is on him being a shitty teammate by not getting well nor taking the actions to stay well. That's part of the mental makeup of that team - Lehner and Kulikov dealing with depression, Bogosian's nightlife and hunting being more important than fixing his body, O'Reilly's sobriety, Kane's lack of physical preparation, Jack's complete immaturity... all managed by a guy who one could find most days at a corner stool of a titty bar near the airport. It was the height of dysfunction.

And then that has Risto playing too much.
 
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Snippit said:
how do people feel about re-signing Joker and what does his next deal look like?
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2 years max. He was horrible last year, better this year, but the team will never become a contender unless we have a better player getting his minutes. Not necessarily looking to run him out of town, but i see no reason to commit long term.
 
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TheBarnIsElectric said:
2 years max. He was horrible last year, better this year, but the team will never become a contender unless we have a better player getting his minutes. Not necessarily looking to run him out of town, but i see no reason to commit long term.
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Whodathunk that having a severe concussion requiring the use of a tinted visor might have severely impacted his play, and this season more epitomises his play
 
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Zman5778 said:
If you think Joki is "still not that good", that's bias talking at this point. He has been rock solid most nights. Certainly a legit 2nd pair-type.

That said, I am certainly open to upgrading.
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By bias do you mean my opinion? Lol, yes. My opinion is biased.

He has been solid defensively and has turned the puck over less than last year. Is he a good top 4 defenseman though?

He wouldn't even be in the lineup for many of the top teams. Look at Vegas, for example, which of their D would you sit for Joki?
 
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Zman5778 said:
If you think Joki is "still not that good", that's bias talking at this point. He has been rock solid most nights. Certainly a legit 2nd pair-type.

That said, I am certainly open to upgrading.
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Joki is the Girgensons of the defense. Not much will happen from either end of the ice when he’s out there. And if you’re a fanbase that is asking for “please don’t score on us” type of defense, I guess that’s good enough to consider someone a 2nd pairing guy.

I for one, apparently holding a bias against him, considers that not legit 2nd pairing defense.

He still remains a decent 3rd pairing guy, I will give him that.
 
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Chainshot said:
I liked that Murray knew what he wanted, although I disagreed with his willingness to always include an extra nugget. Without having better communication with the team though, that group was a powder keg of dysfunction and leaving them alone to work out their baggage would not have gotten them further. Edit - those were some broken players, both physically and emotionally/mentally, and he was not the person to bring them out of that.
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Buffalo: the place were physically, emotionally, and mentally damaged players can come to, get knocked down, and hit rock bottom 😄
 
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Buffalo: the place were physically, emotionally, and mentally damaged players can come to, get knocked down, and hit rock bottom 😄
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Several hit bottom after coming to the team. If the boss has no problem with drinking, even drinking on the job or a lack of preparation or whatever other substances one is up to because he's all into that too... things fall apart.
 
OkimLom said:
Joki is the Girgensons of the defense. Not much will happen from either end of the ice when he’s out there. And if you’re a fanbase that is asking for “please don’t score on us” type of defense, I guess that’s good enough to consider someone a 2nd pairing guy.

I for one, apparently holding a bias against him, considers that not legit 2nd pairing defense.

He still remains a decent 3rd pairing guy, I will give him that.
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Joker is a puck moving dman cast in a more defensive role paired with far superior puck moving dmen.

I don’t think it’s a stretch that a team in need of a top 4 puck mover having interest. He’s also that much sought after of creatures by NHL GMs, a right handed dman.

I’m not getting the comparison to Girgs. Unless its just an attempt to throw shots at both.
 
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