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Chainshot said:
Seems that way. At this point, I suspect his plan is simply to let players roll off into free agency and keep perpetually plugging players into the middle of the lineup on ELC's rather than looking at the holes in the roster that can be filled and filling them. There are more draft picks and UDFA opportunities every year. Once a team is built, the number of players who they need to percolate up into the lineup is fairly finite yet still happens. What they have now is a fetish for prospects and talk of long-term future when the way to ensure long-term future is take what they have and push it into the playoffs with a couple astute trades.
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What's funny is, that isn't a bad plan (cycle out middle of the lineup players for ELCs in the forward group). Don't overpay for secondary guys, etc. However, that only works when you are a winning team. Doing that as a team with 12 years out of the playoffs will simply sustain the mediocrity. We might squeeze a playoff appearance here or there sure when things break right, but when you don't have the core pieces to win, it's just asking for more of the same.

Chainshot said:
Both Coleman and Garland were actively being shopped over the summer. In a world where someone is willing to take a chance instead of sleeping, I wonder at what the 2nd and 3rd lines look like if those two are out there, chewing on defensemen on the forecheck instead of giving Vic a gold star when he comes within 3' of his man in a puck battle.
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They are simply going to have to spend to change the dynamic of this group. I don't think Adams has the stomach (or the backing of ownership) to do it though.
 
A trade for Brady would have to be something like

Cozens, Power, 1st

Brady & Sanderson

And I’m pretty sure Ottawa would still not do that.
 
MOGlLNY said:
A trade for Brady would have to be something like

Cozens, Power, 1st

Brady & Sanderson

And I’m pretty sure Ottawa would still not do that.
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Remove sanderson and power add Kullich/Savoie or Quinn/Peterka. I still think I would do that.
 
MOGlLNY said:
A trade for Brady would have to be something like

Cozens, Power, 1st

Brady & Sanderson

And I’m pretty sure Ottawa would still not do that.
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No way they give up Sanderson.

I'd just keep it for Brady.. we have plenty of ammo to get a LD from someplace else. Two if we needed.
 
MOGlLNY said:
A trade for Brady would have to be something like

Cozens, Power, 1st

Brady & Sanderson

And I’m pretty sure Ottawa would still not do that.
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There is no way the Sens are not sober enough to put Sanderson in their untouchable list. He's a thin slice below Power's offensive skill with the sort of bite in his own zone we Sabre fans lust for. If I were them, I wouldn't trade him for Power straight across.

So no, that is not happening.
 
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MOGlLNY said:
I like Brady a lot but no and you’re letting your dislike of Power completely blind your value.
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I don't dislike Power.. I dislike his contract. I don't think Power will ever be as impactful as Brady
 
Also there’s a video out there this week of Sanderson getting walked and bullied by guys this year. Sounds like someone we know
 
DJN21 said:
For Brady? I'm not even protecting the first...screw it. Just get guys with skill and backbone here now.
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If leaving it unprotected allows KA to throw in a lesser addition, then it's a no-brainer. Or think of it this way - with the stage the team is at right now, what one of us would rather have the #2 pick instead of Brady? Even if it was #1 there might be a split.

Edit - of course this is just more wasted mental energy about moves KA won't make.
 
1. Tkachuk has supposed maturity issues which immediately makes me pause.
2. I'm not interested in trading Power or Cozens to get him.
3. If they asked for our 1st and Savoie/Kulich I'd say yes but I'm completely disinterested in trading away good characters for bad characters
 
thewookie1 said:
1. Tkachuk has supposed maturity issues which immediately makes me pause.
2. I'm not interested in trading Power or Cozens to get him.
3. If they asked for our 1st and Savoie/Kulich I'd say yes but I'm completely disinterested in trading away good characters for bad characters
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I don't buy it. There were similar "issues" swirling around his brother and he seems to be doing just fine in Florida. I think he was tired of having to drag his teammates into the fight in Calgary and I expect Brady is suffering the same frustration in Ottawa. I'd rather not trade Cozens (they would have no interest in Power), but I don't think they would want a 1st + prospects package. Tkachuk is a unicorn and exactly what the Sabres need so if it means sending a first and Cozens and likely a decent prospect, you do it.
 
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Beerz said:
Dahlin had that fight. They seemed to have sucked that out of him.

Where did his piss and vinegar go?
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I blame 3 months of posting beach and vacation photos and then signing a 90M dollar guaranteed extension.

Personally I want the young players on my team posting videos of them working to improve their games all off season.

I want to see the young leaders on my team going to Gary Roberts-esq training programs.

I want to see them hungry to be the best they can be.

Three month tour of lounging in the sun is not a player I want leading my team, especially after missing the playoffs by I one point.

Dahlin's current issue start and end with him and his off-season decisions.
 
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Irie said:
I blame 3 months of posting beach and vacation photos and then signing a 90M dollar guaranteed extension.

Personally I want the young players on my team posting videos of them working to improve their games all off season.

I want to see the young leaders on my team going to Gary Roberts-esq training programs.

I want to see them hungry to be the best they can be.

Three month tour of lounging in the sun is not a player I want leading my team, especially after missing the playoffs by I one point.

Dahlin's current issue start and end with him and his off-season decisions.
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So you want to see pics of Risto flipping massive tractor tires?

Kidding of course.

I don't think that's it when it comes to Dahlin.. he still has the same fire and desire to win. I think it is coming directly from the coaches. Krebs rattiness disappeared as well
 
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Dahlin had that fight. They seemed to have sucked that out of him.

Where did his piss and vinegar go?
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He stuck his nose into some scrums and no one had his back other than Cozens 2 years ago against the Leafs. It's something that this group lacks - they don't realize that in a contact sport, pain is part of it. Either inflict it and wear the black and blue like a badge, or receive it and cower. They have chosen to cower since Botts took control. They do not hang together, they hang separately.
 
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Beerz said:
So you want to see pics of Risto flipping massive tractor tires?

Kidding of course.

I don't think that's it when it comes to Dahlin.. he still has the same fire and desire to win. I think it is coming directly from the coaches. Krebs rattiness disappeared as well
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It could also be pictures of Briere flipping massive tractor tires. Not all of it is the same. No one ever questioned Risto's commitment to his body, they questioned his commitment to adapting his game. It took years to unwind the way he was developed to get to the point that he's mildly effective in a 3rd pairing role in Philly. I was also bothered by how the team presented themselves over the summer. There was very little about how they were working to make this a different season, but there was a lot about how they were out and about in sunny, exotic locations, enjoying an affluent lifestyle few of us will ever enjoy.
 
Chainshot said:
They also are a collective punch of wusses who fold up and hide when someone hits them. They need more people with a set of stones. And they have no one like that in Rochester either.
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One of the major reasons I stopped watching them. Cozens getting lit up seemed to humble the entire team. They seemed to scrum it up more last year.
 
The corner stones of my summer plan:

Skinner, Okposo, Girgensons, Jost, and Olofsson -> Gone. Most can just walk via UFA. Skinner either buyout or trade with high retention.

Bring back 2 of Mittelstadt, Thompson, Cozens.

Addition of 1 middle six center to play d-zone draws and contribute on offense.

Construction of an effective 4th line that can take high D zone starts and have players that can play up the lineup as needed. (i.e. no Eakins that are a dynamite faceoff guy but functionally terrible elsewhere)

One addition of size and truculence to the top 6 forward group.

Add a long term partner to support Power.

Choose between Clifton and Joker.

Add a veteran goalie to work with UPL while finding spots for Levi to get NHL time as the season goes.

It's....a lot. But, it's necessary due to two offseasons of neglect by the front office. In reality, I don't think 25% of this list gets done. The only thing I'm actually hopeful about is all the UFAs walking, which will necessitate us rebuilding the 4th line. I'm hoping we will get some actual players and not more of Granato's USNTP retreads though.
 
Irie said:
I blame 3 months of posting beach and vacation photos and then signing a 90M dollar guaranteed extension.

Personally I want the young players on my team posting videos of them working to improve their games all off season.

I want to see the young leaders on my team going to Gary Roberts-esq training programs.

I want to see them hungry to be the best they can be.

Three month tour of lounging in the sun is not a player I want leading my team, especially after missing the playoffs by I one point.

Dahlin's current issue start and end with him and his off-season decisions.
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I struggle to imagine who could truly be the legit captain for this team next season. Tuch is close, but is he staying...?
 
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