Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[Beerz]

Part of it is his PP production. He's got that drag move around the net, the step out, and has always been pretty good at deflections. Florida has adapted to the reduced power of the one-timer off the wing to play to their strength with a couple of guys who produce well around the crease in him and Tkachuk.

Part of it? He has 22 Power Play goals. Next closest is 13 by Nuke.

And it's a contract year. He is pretty motivated.

I don't miss the guy at all.

He didn't show up to play here until we were already out of the playoffs in December

 

[Dirty Dog]

Why are those mentioned excluded?

Because they were signed to long term contracts and it is nearly unprecedented for teams to trade away young players who they just signed to a long contract. So for practical purposes, they are likely not on the table.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Let's say that teams calling on Kulich have been told he's off the table. If that's true, why would it be due to meddling by Pegula? There's plenty of smoke if not evidence that Pegula is being cheap in various ways with the franchise. As far as cap space goes, for the last couple seasons and up until this coming summer, there has been an excuse/reason that drafted guys are about to get paid, so why spend on UFAs etc. I get that there is at least some logic to defend a lack of spending.

But...when cap isn't part of the equation, why would we think any personnel matters are a result of Pegula favoring some certain player/prospect? Is there evidence from the past of this happening, or is the "Pegula meddling" narrative getting into myth level? There could very well be a trend due to KA having a preference, or maybe the scouting dept keeps pointing him in the direction of a certain type of player that end sup being over-valued. It just seems reactionary to blame Pegula for something like that...or maybe there's an example I don't know about?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Because they were signed to long term contracts and it is nearly unprecedented for teams to trade away young players who they just signed to a long contract. So for practical purposes, they are likely not on the table.

It’s also unprecedented to not make the playoffs for 13 straight years. Time for unprecedented strategies.

 

[Chainshot]

About to see a bunch more of Bryson and Clague. Oh. What. Fun.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Let's say that teams calling on Kulich have been told he's off the table. If that's true, why would it be due to meddling by Pegula? There's plenty of smoke if not evidence that Pegula is being cheap in various ways with the franchise. As far as cap space goes, for the last couple seasons and up until this coming summer, there has been an excuse/reason that drafted guys are about to get paid, so why spend on UFAs etc. I get that there is at least some logic to defend a lack of spending.

But...when cap isn't part of the equation, why would we think any personnel matters are a result of Pegula favoring some certain player/prospect? Is there evidence from the past of this happening, or is the "Pegula meddling" narrative getting into myth level? There could very well be a trend due to KA having a preference, or maybe the scouting dept keeps pointing him in the direction of a certain type of player that end sup being over-valued. It just seems reactionary to blame Pegula for something like that...or maybe there's an example I don't know about?

Because he only hires first-time GMs, and refuses to hire one with experience. No decent GM would come anywhere close to saying Kulich is off the table.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It’s also unprecedented to not make the playoffs for 13 straight years. Time for unprecedented strategies.

I’m just saying it’s very unlikely those players get moved. We can speculate away, but that’s why I listed those players

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I’m just saying it’s very unlikely those players get moved. We can speculate away, but that’s why I listed those players

I agree that none of them will get moved. It’s because the GM has no idea what he’s doing.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I agree that none of them will get moved. It’s because the GM has no idea what he’s doing.

I think the Sabres have plenty of assets to build around those young players. They don’t HAVE to be moved in a hockey trade

 

[Tatanka]

Because they were signed to long term contracts and it is nearly unprecedented for teams to trade away young players who they just signed to a long contract. So for practical purposes, they are likely not on the table.

The contracts are irrelevant. None have trade or movement protection. None warrant being excluded by virtue of their contracts.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The contracts are irrelevant. None have trade or movement protection. None warrant being excluded by virtue of their contracts.

contracts are relevant in what players are likely to be traded. I don’t even know what you’re arguing.

The Sabres signed five young talented players to long term contracts. If you think that is irrelevant to the team’s likelihood of trading them…then fine.

Teams that draft players high, sign them to long term contracts, generally don’t trade them a year later. That’s not my opinion

 

[slip]

About to see a bunch more of Bryson and Clague. Oh. What. Fun.

And I was just thinking to myself the other day that, for all his warts as a player, at least Power doesn't get injured.

 

[Tatanka]

contracts are relevant in what players are likely to be traded. I don’t even know what you’re arguing.

The Sabres signed five young talented players to long term contracts. If you think that is irrelevant to the team’s likelihood of trading them…then fine.

Teams that draft players high, sign them to long term contracts, generally don’t trade them a year later. That’s not my opinion

No they are not. Teams that sign bad contracts for players try to fix their mistake.

 

[Ehran]

About to see a bunch more of Bryson and Clague. Oh. What. Fun.

I thought Clague was injured? I don't follow the Amerks closely, though.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Because he only hires first-time GMs, and refuses to hire one with experience. No decent GM would come anywhere close to saying Kulich is off the table.

Ok that logic holds up, but that's different from Pegula going into KA's office and saying, "Hey I like this player, don't trade him".

 

[Chainshot]

I thought Clague was injured? I don't follow the Amerks closely, though.

Davies was, now Clague is.

Maybe this pushes them a little harder toward Hanifin.

As for the Friedman talk, finally listening to it and he doesn't say "they won't trade Kulich" just that teams have asked and the answer is no.

Also interesting that Gus is thought to be a favorite of Pegula in the same way ownership likes Jenner in Columbus.

Mitts - pay him or move on.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Ok that logic holds up, but that's different from Pegula going into KA's office and saying, "Hey I like this player, don't trade him".

I only think he did that with Girgs. I think that may have even been confirmed but not sure.

 

[toddkaz]

When did trading Reinhart come back to bite us? We got a future potential high quality starter. We don't have a hole in our top 6 with Reinhart leaving.

Sure it stinks that Reinhart has been more productive since leaving, but that's the "risk" when a better team than yours trades, for one of your guys.

For an organization that has had a weakness of coaching since 2013 (also coming up on 11 year anniversary of Ruff being let go next Tuesday), and one could say even longer, a lot of players have had a case of players playing better and being more productive when they moved on from us. It's not something that is new.

Ya you are right, we wouldn't be in the playoffs last year with a 50 goal scorer on the wing.

Lets cross our fingers our prospects work out down the road.

 

[Beerz]

Davies was, now Clague is.

Maybe this pushes them a little harder toward Hanifin.

As for the Friedman talk, finally listening to it and he doesn't say "they won't trade Kulich" just that teams have asked and the answer is no.

Also interesting that Gus is thought to be a favorite of Pegula in the same way ownership likes Jenner in Columbus.

Mitts - pay him or move on.

Not surprising Pegula feels that way about Gus.. he is one of the few players that Terry doesn't worry about not working for their money

 

[Beerz]

That's a gross list ... God I hate The 4th Period

 

[thewookie1]

That's a gross list ... God I hate The 4th Period

Literally only Kakko there is even worth kicking tires on unless Anaheim is just giving Gibson away.

 

[Zman5778]

That's a gross list ... God I hate The 4th Period

The only name on there that even remotely interests me would be Laughton as that #3C we need......but that's even a bit of a stretch.

 

[Ace]

When you wait years for your GM to do something but then see what he’s connected to:

 

[OkimLom]

Ya you are right, we wouldn't be in the playoffs last year with a 50 goal scorer on the wing.

Lets cross our fingers our prospects work out down the road.

We had a 47 Goal Scorer on the team last year with 3 other 30 goal scorers, on a team that was 3rd in goal scoring in the league. We werent missing the offense that Reinhart wouldn't have scored on this team.

 

[toddkaz]

We had a 47 Goal Scorer on the team last year with 3 other 30 goal scorers, on a team that was 3rd in goal scoring in the league. We werent missing the offense that Reinhart wouldn't have scored on this team.

Ya, so you understand that the players we got for Reinhart didn't help the team last year and we missed by 1 point. The things you mentioned are irrelevant when it comes to adding 50 goals more onto the team. We make the playoffs.

How hard is it to add 45-50 goals and we make the playoffs? Not that hard to see for most people.

But keep posting back how two guys who didnt help get us to the playoffs last year are someone better than having a 50 goal scorer by using some strange theory.