That seems like the worst possible outcome. Given how this timeline is going, I suppose I should expect it.
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That seems like the worst possible outcome. Given how this timeline is going, I suppose I should expect it.
Doug Prishpreed
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Yeah I don’t even think Adams would do that. I’m scared, yes, but not convinced.
Maybe they’re looking at Johnson or something like that.
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Pagnotta isn't nearly as bad as guys like Dreger or Friedman, and has actually been more successful and accurate than those 2 dating back to last year's trade deadline.
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the first reaction is “they can’t trade a developed 25 year old center for futures” because it’s ridiculously obvious.
but then I think…of course they will. The entire organization is built on selling a future that never actually arrives. People kept saying “playoffs or bust” heading into this year. People…not Adams. He wouldn’t put any kind of standard in place because then they could fail to meet it. I’ve already heard a Sabres podcast say “well..jobs should already be on the line…but next year really is playoffs or bust!”. No it isn’t. It’s the same shit.
but then I think…of course they will. The entire organization is built on selling a future that never actually arrives. People kept saying “playoffs or bust” heading into this year. People…not Adams. He wouldn’t put any kind of standard in place because then they could fail to meet it. I’ve already heard a Sabres podcast say “well..jobs should already be on the line…but next year really is playoffs or bust!”. No it isn’t. It’s the same shit.
EJohnson seems like he'll be desired by teams looking for experience in a depth defenseman for the playoffs. I wonder what sort of agreement the Sabres have with him to move him at the deadline.
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With trade deadline looming, ace penalty killer Erik Johnson not looking to move on from Sabres
"I'm not going to (General Manager) Kevyn Adams asking to get moved. I'm sure he'll come to me if there's anything that pops up and then I'll have to make a decision. But my focus is on the guys," Johnson says.
If EJ himself is to be believed, there is no agreement in place.......and EJ is saying publicly he wants to stay.
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I read somewhere that he had no trade protections but out of respect to the player wouldnt just deal him blind. Which used to be a nice story and at this point I couldn’t care less because he’s supposed to do what’s best for the team. All we ever hear is he does right by players on the way out. Screw em while they’re here I guess.
With trade deadline looming, ace penalty killer Erik Johnson not looking to move on from Sabres
"I'm not going to (General Manager) Kevyn Adams asking to get moved. I'm sure he'll come to me if there's anything that pops up and then I'll have to make a decision. But my focus is on the guys," Johnson says.buffalonews.com
If EJ himself is to be believed, there is no agreement in place.......and EJ is saying publicly he wants to stay.
Seems reasonable. It would be stupid to burn a relationship with a respected Cup winner trying to squeeze some sort of mid-round pick out of someone.
Zman5778
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Yeah, I can't imagine a team giving up something more than like a 4th in 2029 for him.
Doug Prishpreed
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I’ll just say that I disagree - he had one legendary scoop and that was about it.
But more than that, I just disagree with a lot of his takes.
Relationship aside, I don’t want to lose one of the few wisemen on the team for any period of time, for any reason outside of maybe a 1st.
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Expecting him to be dealt to Toronto For whatever reason.With trade deadline looming, ace penalty killer Erik Johnson not looking to move on from Sabres
"I'm not going to (General Manager) Kevyn Adams asking to get moved. I'm sure he'll come to me if there's anything that pops up and then I'll have to make a decision. But my focus is on the guys," Johnson says.
If EJ himself is to be believed, there is no agreement in place.......and EJ is saying publicly he wants to stay.
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If I had a dollar every time the Sabres during Pegula's regime came out of the gate flat after the all star break I would have 13 motherf***ing dollars in my pocket.
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I know a way they could make their team better now. Fire the coaching staff.
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hey that’s our first line winger!
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If they want a taste of playoff hockey, they have earned it. I would have no problem letting either or both have that experience.
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I'm all on board with trading any/all of the pending UFAs, with the only caveat being to keep one of Girgensons or Robinson. If Girgensons wants to go to a playoff team, great...just try to keep a 4th line guy for next season if possible. Adams will already have to be looking for one or two 4th liners (by that I mean cheap plugs that won't be any good, of course).
If Mittelstadt gets dealt for some BS package of futures though...that's it. I'll be done because that will say everything that KA can't/won't say about the direction of the franchise. For now I trust that it's just crossed up rumor crap, but if that really happens...end of story.
If Mittelstadt gets dealt for some BS package of futures though...that's it. I'll be done because that will say everything that KA can't/won't say about the direction of the franchise. For now I trust that it's just crossed up rumor crap, but if that really happens...end of story.
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Some Flyers beats suggests they go after Casey. Not sure see a fit for a trade. Any thoughts Sabres fans? What players would of interest coming back?
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So by that same logic doesn't Adams deserve to be fired for not firing and moving on from a coach that can't get it done? That's like any business not moving on from a manager that isn't interested in managing a company.
The difference here is that Adams has had twice as long as Murray to move on from Granato and the results have been worse. And there's no expectation that either will be fired.
This depends on how you see things I guess. Murray basically had a two year period where he was trying to win and topped out at 81 points. This is year two of Adams trying to win (sort of?) and he topped out at 91 last year. We aren't getting to 91 points this year, but we could get higher than 81 still. Not defending Adams for what has happened this season, but not sure how one could conclude his accomplishments are worse than Murray's.
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The year before Adams got here the team had 68 points in 69 games.
Four offseasons FOUR YEARS later with an entire team full of players either signed by or acquired by Adams except for one guy (Skinner) they have 48 points in 51 games.
That is the fruits of four years of effort. You can try to hand waive it because he…wasn’t trying for two years? Weird defense for a guy who signed Taylor Hall to a team with a better record than they have now…but you do you…
but it doesn’t change that those two years were a part of his building of this team. Look at it. Look at what he‘s built. In four years.
Look at it. And then tell me how you “see things”
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