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Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

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Captain Mittens said:
Perspective is important. Muzzin was a kid with injuries from the Pens who we coached the **** out of. He was the successful Moulson and Purcell.

Toffoli is our Luc and we taught him how to skate. I guess Brodzinkski is the guy to Luc all over.
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Muzzin also was supremely lacking in confidence when he came to the organization from what I understand. So he had to overcome physical and mental stuff.
 
Brad Doty said:
I think we need to give Jordan Weal more than 25 minutes in the NHL before we talk about how disappointing he is.
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yeah, man. exactly.

haven't really watched hockey for weeks - too freaking busy. might be able to catch todays!
 
Herby said:
Muzzin is going to be brought up every time a Kings rookie or young player is called up and stinks up the joint.

Similar to 15-20 years ago how every late round draft pick who was lighting up junior was the next Luc Robitaille.
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If you would prefer some other analogy, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Muzzin isn't brought up to suggest every player who struggles to start will turn out to be a success. He's brought up as a lesson in patience. Just as Robitaille is brought up to teach us not to judge people on draft position.

And trust me, I have been one of the biggest and longstanding critics of Weal's transition to the Kings at the NHL level. I remain skeptical, but I also am not going to use a small sample size to say "I told you so!"
 
Hey, look, he may not make it, and for all we know we've seen Weal at his BEST at an NHL player, I'd just like to think he needs more than half an hour with Clifford and Nolan to show what he's made of.

If he gets cut, I'll just trust the organization that once was supremely high on him verbally that they didn't see enough at practice and otherwise. But as a fan, I'm not going to bury him. That's all.
 
Jason Lewis said:
Muzzin also was supremely lacking in confidence when he came to the organization from what I understand. So he had to overcome physical and mental stuff.
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some sources in sport psychology call it mental toughness (= confidence + constancy + control), it's even an academic term. we're not born with it, but we can learn it, everyone can, even +50 adults.

lak is relatively good in developing such skills with young players. sometimes it takes a lot of patience to get there, but it pays off. muzzin is a great example, weal should be next. i think sutter knows what he is doing.
 
Brian O'Neill has 18 games with the devils, 1 point and 0 goals. I guess it's not only in LA small guys have trouble adjusting.
 
BigBrown said:
Brian O'Neill has 18 games with the devils, 1 point and 0 goals. I guess it's not only in LA small guys have trouble adjusting.
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Well, at least O'Neill is being given an opportunity. I'm thinking Weal wishes he had been traded instead.

But it is what it is, I suppose...

Hoping for a good game from Weal.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
Well, at least O'Neill is being given an opportunity. I'm thinking Weal wishes he had been traded instead.

But it is what it is, I suppose...

Hoping for a good game from Weal.
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you need some consistency to be able to prove yourself... some games with the same line to create some chemistry. shore did nothing last year but got 30+ games. it takes time for rookies to build confidence but also ICE time.

so i'd agree with you about opportunity.

some sources in sport psychology call it mental toughness (= confidence + constancy + control), it's even an academic term. we're not born with it, but we can learn it, everyone can, even +50 adults.
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true... but what builds confidence?
if coach believes in you, plays you, offers constructive feedback, you're much more likely to get there. but sitting on a bench, idk. i really don't. but i suspect actually playing is best.
 
cali101 said:
you need some consistency to be able to prove yourself... some games with the same line to create some chemistry. shore did nothing last year but got 30+ games. it takes time for rookies to build confidence but also ICE time.

so i'd agree with you about opportunity.



true... but what builds confidence?
if coach believes in you, plays you, offers constructive feedback, you're much more likely to get there. but sitting on a bench, idk. i really don't. but i suspect actually playing is best.
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Jamie Storr
 
Viktor Tikhonov is on waivers today. I hope the Kings take a long look at him. He'd be an upgrade over Nolan/Andreoff, plus Lewis is hurt.

The Kings were reportedly interested in drafting Tikhonov with their their early second round pick in 2008, but he was taken four spots earlier by Phoenix. Ended up with some dude named Slava Voynov :laugh:
 
BigBrown said:
Brian O'Neill has 18 games with the devils, 1 point and 0 goals. I guess it's not only in LA small guys have trouble adjusting.
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shore has nearly 60 games with 10 pts.
andreoff has 40 games with 4 pts.

these are close to on on par with o'neill's 1 pt in 18 games no?

MANY guys have trouble adjusting, not just "small guys."

it's bizarre why/how some players get a pass for weaker performances or who are given a pass for development and others don't and aren't.
 
cali101 said:
shore has nearly 60 games with 10 pts.
andreoff has 40 games with 4 pts.

these are close to on on par with o'neill's 1 pt in 18 games no?

MANY guys have trouble adjusting, not just "small guys."

it's bizarre why/how some players get a pass for weaker performances or who are given a pass for development and others don't and aren't.
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You don't see their roles as significantly different?
 
Weal looked disappointing again. Weal is not doing the things that made him successful in the AHL.

It's probably why he has been so limited in his games so far. Kid needs to make a play or make something happen.

20% in the circle, and didn't even register a Hit/shot/BS, did get credited with a takeaway.
 
Brad Doty said:
You don't see their roles as significantly different?
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all 3-4 are forwards on bottom 2 lines. meaning shore, andreoof, weal and o'neill.

not sure what you mean.

andreoff is more of a grinder. but yet sutter moved him up tonight. to me, he's a 4th line guy.

shore, weal and o'neill are all play makers or point producer role.

that's why shore was brought up early, coz he had a lot of points in the first half last season in AHL. but everyone's been super patient with his development. also sutter talked at beginning of this season about how he wants the 3rd line to produce. but they haven't been really..

20% in the circle, and didn't even register a Hit/shot/BS nothing
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he did get credited with a hit during the 3rd period but it doesnt show anymore. also got a takeaway. also was working the boards against scuderi when he knocked puck over glass, so weal maybe had a hand in drawing that penalty, on which kings promptly scored. also he was wide open at least once when nolan and clifford were scrambling with the puck and didnt hv the vision to pass it to him. people say he was disappointing and don't take into account specifics. he was solid defensively tonight but he wasn't playing with guys that he could produce with. maybe if he had been left on 3rd line instead of andreoff moving up he could've registered something. he is also probably finding his rhythm when he finally gets ice time.
 
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Sutter is showing patience with Shore, cause Shore is doing the things that made him a great Center in the AHL.

Shore is still a beast in the dot, and plays a healthy 200ft game. His metrics look good. It's just shore is not putting points on the board.

His line-mates also don't help in that regard. I think Dwight King will help out in that area. Shore is not going to create his own offense, he is not that kind of Center.
 
damacles1156 said:
Sutter is showing patience with Shore, cause Shore is doing the things that made him a great Center in the AHL.

Shore is still a beast in the dot, and plays a healthy 200ft game. His metrics look good. It's just shore is not putting points on the board.

His line-mates also don't help in that regard. I think Dwight King will help out in that area. Shore is not going to create his own offense, he is not that kind of Center.
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Shore has played with gaborik brown and pearson on his wing and you expect King to help him put points up :help::scared:
 
shore had a number of games with pearson but nothing happened. he's played with lots of good playmakers.
i agree he's been good in the dot. though he's had some off games he's generally really good in face-off circle. but he has blown scoring chances more than once imo. including tonight. is it a line mate thing? to me shore's a "careful" player so far in NHL. in AHL he was putting up points. that hasn't translated up so far. some say he's a better 4th line fit. i don't know yet. jury is still out even tho he's had 80 games.
 
damacles1156 said:
Weal looked disappointing again. Weal is not doing the things that made him successful in the AHL.

It's probably why he has been so limited in his games so far. Kid needs to make a play or make something happen.

20% in the circle, and didn't even register a Hit/shot/BS, did get credited with a takeaway.
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Not really a fair comparison. Down in the AHL, he played 1C and was a primary focus more often than not. He's currently playing 4C with a very short leash.

Weal will be a good player in the nhl someday.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
It isn't always about one's skill, but the chemistry between the players.

Just look at how ineffective Lucic was on the first line with Kopi and Gabby, compared to how he's playing with Carter and TT.
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It's partly that.

Other part is, Dwight King has been productive in any role the Kings have tried him at.

Brown/Lewis/Shore are struggling in this area so far this season. King could help that.
 
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