Roster speculation XVIII - We're getting closer to things happening!

[Sabre the Win]

Perhaps Eberle has a bad work ethic because no one else in Edmonton cares. Put him with a leader like ROR, Eichel and Reinhart some character guys and perhaps watch his work ethic improve playing with players and an organization that cares.

 

[Jame]

Perhaps Eberle has a bad work ethic because no one else in Edmonton cares. Put him with a leader like ROR, Eichel and Reinhart some character guys and perhaps watch his work ethic improve playing with players and an organization that cares.

Perhaps the problem is Edmonton is having cancerous personalities and low effort players like Eberle around a young team?

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

I think you need to unpackage that statement. There are things he does very well in our zone, and there are things he does not.

If you can give him some cover and the freedom to just go inflict hell on his matchup, he's fine (think the Pens game from after we traded for him) but I don't like him as the best defensive player on either top four pairing going forward, and that seriously limits our player acquisition options if Zach's a TM ride or die. Basically, keeping Bogo in the fold means no high-risk one-way players (with superior aggregate impacts on stuff we suck at) like Yandle or Shattenkirk, and no superior defensive RHDs like Demers. The opportunity cost of his roster + contract spot is one of the highest on the team.

And to unpack, I don't like his decisions in coverage or transition, don't like his willingness to engage regardless of the situation, don't like how he'll play the same style in the face of physical maladies limiting his effectiveness, and I don't like his ability to cover for a partner with defensive issues of his own.

 

[Jame]

If you can give him some cover and the freedom to just go inflict hell on his matchup, he's fine (think the Pens game from after we traded for him) but I don't like him as the best defensive player on either top four pairing going forward, and that seriously limits our player acquisition options if Zach's a TM ride or die. Basically, keeping Bogo in the fold means no high-risk one-way players (with superior aggregate impacts on stuff we suck at) like Yandle or Shattenkirk, and no superior defensive RHDs like Demers. The opportunity cost of his roster + contract spot is one of the highest on the team.

And to unpack, I don't like his decisions in coverage or transition, don't like his willingness to engage regardless of the situation, don't like how he'll play the same style in the face of physical maladies limiting his effectiveness, and I don't like his ability to cover for a partner with defensive issues of his own.

Yes. In general I agree. We need an Enstrom to pair with him. Or Pysyk with a high level of left side competency.

I'm not opposed to trades that include Bogo to revamp the blueline.
I am opposed to trade that include Bogo... for a stupid ****ing winger.

(His poor decision making in coverage/zone situations... especially as the puck move low to high, are very frustrating... and shouldnt be aligned with transition decisions, which should be far less of an issue)

 

[Myllz]

Yes. In general I agree. We need an Enstrom to pair with him. Or Pysyk with a high level of left side competency.

I'm not opposed to trades that include Bogo to revamp the blueline.
I am opposed to trade that include Bogo... for a stupid ****ing winger.

(His poor decision making in coverage/zone situations... especially as the puck move low to high, are very frustrating... and shouldnt be aligned with transition decisions, which should be far less of an issue)

Pretty much.

 

[sabrebuild]

Boedker is trash next to Eberle.

Which is why I didn't use him???

 

[Dunkster19]

Following some crazy Twitter rumors. Do any of you know anything about @NHLRumorsDaily who actually was the first to have the Goligoski to Arizona deal before anyone yesterday. I believe he also had the ROR deal last year days before it happened.
Also @scanadusa. He is in Finland and tweets in Finnish and then English with choppy translations. These two claim to have a good source for Sabres info
I know it's Internet rumorville and probably all BS but just wondering if anyone is familiar with them?

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Eberle sux, but Bogo for Winger is fine provided we replace the spot on the blueline.

 

[Jim Bob]

Sign me up for being completely focused on moves that address our blueline 1st and 2nd.... and then follow that up with a signing or 2 for our 4th line that also addresses our PK.

I have very little interest in pursuing scoring wingers.... unless it's signing Vesey... until we move one someone to fix our D. If we move an Ennis, Girgs, etc... then we can talk about adding top 6 forwards.

Ditto

I hope the focus early on is improving the blueline.

Growth from 15 & 23 should be where the forward upgrade comes from.

 

[Moskau]

Following some crazy Twitter rumors. Do any of you know anything about @NHLRumorsDaily who actually was the first to have the Goligoski to Arizona deal before anyone yesterday. I believe he also had the ROR deal last year days before it happened.
Also @scanadusa. He is in Finland and tweets in Finnish and then English with choppy translations. These two claim to have a good source for Sabres info
I know it's Internet rumorville and probably all BS but just wondering if anyone is familiar with them?

Their entire tweet timeline looks like some Sabres fan wet dream. Foligno + #8 for #3? Vesey to Buffalo. Buffalo one of the teams Stamkos is interested in. All within the last 3 hours? Okay.

 

[sabrebuild]

His last 3 seasons have been consistent. That's gold entering free agency.

Fair enough. As husko said he got those stats with tavares, but show me some comps. I just don't see a team giving 50 million to okposo on a long term deal.

 

[stokes84]

Following some crazy Twitter rumors. Do any of you know anything about @NHLRumorsDaily who actually was the first to have the Goligoski to Arizona deal before anyone yesterday. I believe he also had the ROR deal last year days before it happened.
Also @scanadusa. He is in Finland and tweets in Finnish and then English with choppy translations. These two claim to have a good source for Sabres info
I know it's Internet rumorville and probably all BS but just wondering if anyone is familiar with them?

I was reading through the Finnish guys stuff the other day. He pretty clearly is full of it. There are a number of inconsistencies as you read through his posts, and even if you do have a source, his explanations for things make it seem like he's making certain stuff up on the fly. I wouldn't take that guy seriously. And FWIW, everyone was speculating on ROR to Buffalo last offseason. Hardly out of the blue.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Their entire tweet timeline looks like some Sabres fan wet dream. Foligno + #8 for #3? Vesey to Buffalo. Buffalo one of the teams Stamkos is interested in. All within the last 3 hours? Okay.

I'm pretty excited and nervous at the same time because I know Murray is going to be in on everything but has shown that he is willing to overpay.

 

[Jim Bob]

Fair enough. As husko said he got those stats with tavares, but show me some comps. I just don't see a team giving 50 million to okposo on a long term deal.

Someone will give Okposo a stupid contract.

Why? A big percentage of UFAs with talent (and a lot with lesser talent) get more than they are worth over the life of the deal that they sign.

Moulson got 5 yrs $25M. I expect Okposo to get a lot more than that. Not $50M total, but a lot more than $25M.

 

[Moskau]

Most Islanders fans want nothing to do with Okposo and that should say enough. That's a fan base that has been **** on for decades and most are happy to see Okposo walk for nothing. He's Drew Stafford if Drew Stafford got to play with a top 5 center.

 

[sabrebuild]

Someone will give Okposo a stupid contract.

Why? A big percentage of UFAs with talent (and a lot with lesser talent) get more than they are worth over the life of the deal that they sign.

Moulson got 5 yrs $25M. I expect Okposo to get a lot more than that. Not $50M total, but a lot more than $25M.

I agree he will get more than moulson. Pretty obviously. Which is why I said 6.5 for 6 years seems about right.

My response was to someone saying he will/might get 7.5. That is well over 50 million on a max deal.

I don't think you need to explain ufas get over-paid due to availability and free market principles... we all know or should know that. The question is how much in this specific case. A specific thought on that issue that would be much more responsive to the conversation...

 

[EichHart]

Very rarely does a successful team build through FA. It is a place where you have to operspend for the majority of time mediocre players. Trades are much more viable, especially for cap strapped teams and the expansion draft next year. I don't think I want anything to do in FA unless we can get a player for market value.

 

[Jim Bob]

I agree he will get more than moulson. Pretty obviously. Which is why I said 6.5 for 6 years seems about right.

My response was to someone saying he will/might get 7.5. That is well over 50 million on a max deal.

I don't think you need to explain ufas get over-paid due to availability and free market principles... we all know or should know that. The question is how much in this specific case. A specific thought on that issue that would be much more responsive to the conversation...

If he gets $7.5M AAV, it's likely going to be on a 4 or 5 year deal and if he gets $6 to 6.5M AAV it will likely be on a 6 or 7 year deal.

No matter how you slice it, Okposo isn't a guy the Sabres should go after.

And Andrew Peters saying the Sabres should sign Okposo so they can look better to Tavares if/when he hits UFA....

 

[Chainshot]

Yes. In general I agree. We need an Enstrom to pair with him. Or Pysyk with a high level of left side competency.

I'm not opposed to trades that include Bogo to revamp the blueline.
I am opposed to trade that include Bogo... for a stupid ****ing winger.

(His poor decision making in coverage/zone situations... especially as the puck move low to high, are very frustrating... and shouldnt be aligned with transition decisions, which should be far less of an issue)

Yeah, get him the d-zone guy to let him do his riverboat gambler stuff either offensively or hitting rather than having him play with his younger mirror image.

 

[old kummelweck]

I really don't see Murry parting with Bogo so soon. He was a key piece of that Myers deal and they seem to be seeing if they can get more production out of him. You also lose some toughness if you send him somewhere.

 

[sabrebuild]

If he gets $7.5M AAV, it's likely going to be on a 4 or 5 year deal and if he gets $6 to 6.5M AAV it will likely be on a 6 or 7 year deal.

No matter how you slice it, Okposo isn't a guy the Sabres should go after.

And Andrew Peters saying the Sabres should sign Okposo so they can look better to Tavares if/when he hits UFA....

I agree. I have no interest in either player, okposo or eberle.

 

[Jim Bob]

I agree. I have no interest in either player, okposo or eberle.

Signing Okposo and trading for Eberle are easy NOs for me.

The one big name forward idea that has popped up that has me not dismissing it out of hand would be if the Rangers are looking to dump Rick Nash.

But, that also would depend on what the Sabres were giving up in trade.

 

[TehDoak]

Following some crazy Twitter rumors. Do any of you know anything about @NHLRumorsDaily who actually was the first to have the Goligoski to Arizona deal before anyone yesterday. I believe he also had the ROR deal last year days before it happened.
Also @scanadusa. He is in Finland and tweets in Finnish and then English with choppy translations. These two claim to have a good source for Sabres info
I know it's Internet rumorville and probably all BS but just wondering if anyone is familiar with them?

The fact that the Sabres wanted O'Reilly wasn't really news at all.

That same twitter account had us interested in Erikkson and Yakupov at the trade deadline.

Looks like its a guy with no life pretty much twitter spewing every rumor someone else says, kinda like Eklund.

 

[truthbluth]

Wait, why don't people like Okposo again?

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Their entire tweet timeline looks like some Sabres fan wet dream. Foligno + #8 for #3? Vesey to Buffalo. Buffalo one of the teams Stamkos is interested in. All within the last 3 hours? Okay.

I replied to that guy on Twitter, told him 'rumors' are not 'things i create out of my own head' - he replied to me that they mean the same thing lol

they are rumors, his own he creates out of thin air.