Roster Speculation part XXII

[struckbyaparkedcar]

And one more time, McCabe is fine. He could be the #4 next year if Risto gets taken off shutdown duty and fed zone starts. Another option is cutting to five D and double shifting Risto/Bogosian with Gorges in the defensive zone while Kulikov and McCabe get a little more rest.

His issues are that he doesn't project to be the best offensive or defensive dude on a pairing. If he hits the ~25-33% chance he has of being an impact top pairing guy it's found money. Awesome. We're bet on him over Pysyk. That's cool I guess, I'm disappointed in the org Mark didn't get a run as a top four guy, but whatever.

 

[Reddawg]

We're bet on him over Pysyk. That's cool I guess, I'm disappointed in the org Mark didn't get a run as a top four guy, but whatever.

The only way he realistically would have is by converting to left-side D, which I believe he was tried at last season and proved pretty ineffective. With Risto and Bogo locking up those spots in the top 4 for the next four years at least, there just wasn't going to be an opportunity for Pysyk.

 

[Ace]

When Pysyk played on the left side people here declared he looked awful over there.

Meanwhile we outshot opponents about 2:1.

 

[truthbluth]

When Pysyk played on the left side people here declared he looked awful over there.

Meanwhile we outshot opponents about 2:1.

This is not factual.

Pysyk played 97:25 minutes of 5v5 playing the left side opposite Bogosian and posted a 48.6 CF%, and a paltry 42.9 GF%.

Next most was with Franson, with whom he played 55:26 min of 5v5, and they posted a 48.6 CF%, and a, not a typo, 0 GF%. The Sabres did not score in nearly 60 minutes of 5v5 with both Pysyk and Franson on the ice.

Next is Risto, who Pysyk played only 16:23 of 5v5 with, which is not enough time to be worth looking at their 22.2 CF%, or their 50% GF, which was 1 for, 1 against.

So, this bit of mythology should die. Not only were Pysyk's off side pairings unsuccessful in possession metrics, the eye test, which suggested that he not only got beat more often, but was beaten badly, i.e. for goals, is backed up by his very bad GF%.

No, Pysyk was not good on his off side.

 

[SamsonReinFart]

This is not factual.

Pysyk played 97:25 minutes of 5v5 playing the left side opposite Bogosian and posted a 48.6 CF%, and a paltry 42.9 GF%.

Next most was with Franson, with whom he played 55:26 min of 5v5, and they posted a 48.6 CF%, and a, not a typo, 0 GF%. The Sabres did not score in nearly 60 minutes of 5v5 with both Pysyk and Franson on the ice.

Next is Risto, who Pysyk played only 16:23 of 5v5 with, which is not enough time to be worth looking at their 22.2 CF%, or their 50% GF, which was 1 for, 1 against.

So, this bit of mythology should die. Not only were Pysyk's off side pairings unsuccessful in possession metrics, the eye test, which suggested that he not only got beat more often, but was beaten badly, i.e. for goals, is backed up by his very bad GF%.

No, Pysyk was not good on his off side.

I hate to ask, but any idea what his numbers were at the end of the season playing on the left side with Nelson?

 

[truthbluth]

I hate to ask, but any idea what his numbers were at the end of the season playing on the left side with Nelson?

TOI: 62:02
GF/60 2.90
GA/60 3.87
GF% 42.9
CF/60 43.52
CA/60 40.62
CF% 51.7

Not bad on shot numbers, and the sample size it too small to consider Goal differential, but that pairing was heavily sheltered with nearly 40% OZone starts.

 

[Husko]

I don't get why Pysyk gets so much debate and discussion. You would think if there's one player that it's pretty obvious "this is what you get" it would be him, with the one caveat being we haven't seen him against tough competition/in big minutes yet. He's not at all enigmatic like McCabe or Bogosian. He's a steady, positionally sound defensive dman that can make a good first pass, has played well in a limited role, but simultaneously has no spectacular aspect to his game. What you see is what you get. If he's anything other than a solid second pairing D throughout the rest of his career I'll be shocked. (Note: I use 'second pairing' generically. Sure, he could also play on a third paring to cover for a defensively atrocious PP specialist or on a first pairing to go with a very good #1.)

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

"Solid second pairing play" from our second pairing last season probably makes us a playoff team.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

"Solid second pairing play" from our second pairing last season probably makes us a playoff team.

It's funny because it's true

 

[Husko]

"Solid second pairing play" from our second pairing last season probably makes us a playoff team.

Except the first pairing was also getting caved in, we got no depth scoring, and our primary scoring was inconsistent.

But yeah, second pairing was a huge problem too.

 

[jBuds]

Except the first pairing was also getting caved in, we got no depth scoring, and our primary scoring was inconsistent.

But yeah, second pairing was a huge problem too.

The problem was the entire first half, more specifically the calendar year of 15.








A good guy to spread out our defensemen and readjust our pairings, combined with the momentum the forwards generated... would've been interesting.


Goaltending would've been the roadblock. Doubt Johnson would've been able to handle a more intense environment or any form of pressure. Softies galore

 

[Heraldic]

Surprised to see Anaheim getting a goalie who they have to pay +2 millions.

Last season their budget was about 65 millions. This season it is "little bit more". They have already spent around 62. They still have to re-sign Lindholm and Rakell, and in addition to get four (4) more forwards (Thompson on LTIR, and that cheap contracts usually don't get insured).

So it seems that even moving Fowler won't be enough for them alone salary wise. Even trading Despres likely isn't enough (he makes 2,6 millions). So for me it seems they pretty much have to dump one of Stoner/Bieksa or get Lindholm under a bridge deal/trade him.

This is a pretty sweet opportunity for other GMs to pressure BM. I hope GM takes all the advantage here - what ever that actually means.

 

[wunderpanda]

I don't see defense as a need since the Kulikov trade. He could allow Risto to become the qb and will change the minutes people play on the left. Gorges & McCabe can become a quasi-platoon, taking turns with Bogo based on situation. The other rotates with Franson.

 

[TehDoak]

I don't see defense as a need since the Kulikov trade. He could allow Risto to become the qb and will change the minutes people play on the left. Gorges & McCabe can become a quasi-platoon, taking turns with Bogo based on situation. The other rotates with Franson.

Why? Pysyk for Kulikov is, at best, a small net positive.

Murray stated repeatedly that his #1 target this summer was a #1 LHD/PPQB

Kulikov is a LHD. But, by no measure is he a #1 or power play quarterback.

Our best case scenario is:

XXXX-Risto
Kulikov-Bogosian
Gorges/McCabe-Nelson/Franson

We'll see though. I'm reminded of the Islanders a couple years back when Boychuk/Leddy broke free right before camp. Time will tell.

 

[Ace]

Something something they add one they have to lose one and end up in the same place something something wait until next year for obvious reasons something something Rome wasn't built in a day something something

 

[Moskau]

I don't even know why there's a 2016-2017 season with the expansion draft looming. Clearly no team is even going to bother trying to improve their roster out of the crippling fear of having to leave future hall of fame players unprotected. I'll be shocked if any NHL front office personnel get more than 3 hours of sleep a night until this nerve wracking event is over.

 

[joshjull]

The problem was the entire first half, more specifically the calendar year of 15.








A good guy to spread out our defensemen and readjust our pairings, combined with the momentum the forwards generated... would've been interesting.


Goaltending would've been the roadblock. Doubt Johnson would've been able to handle a more intense environment or any form of pressure. Softies galore

He's gone, leave the poor man alone.

 

[Duddy]

Some re-signing news would be cool.

 

[OkimLom]

I don't even know why there's a 2016-2017 season with the expansion draft looming. Clearly no team is even going to bother trying to improve their roster out of the crippling fear of having to leave future hall of fame players unprotected. I'll be shocked if any NHL front office personnel get more than 3 hours of sleep a night until this nerve wracking event is over.

Especially since they are only losing one guy. How will they ever sleep?

If we're so worried about losing ONE guy outside of the most obvious guys, we're in more trouble than we thought.

 

[Man of Principles]

If Buffalo manages to reel in Vesey, does anyone think Murray immediately phones Benning to see if he can get him to do something dumb? Buffalo could exploit Benning's desire for a top 6 forward and grab Hutton. We wash our hands of Kane and grab a nice defenseman in the process.

 

[Djp]

I don't even know why there's a 2016-2017 season with the expansion draft looming. Clearly no team is even going to bother trying to improve their roster out of the crippling fear of having to leave future hall of fame players unprotected. I'll be shocked if any NHL front office personnel get more than 3 hours of sleep a night until this nerve wracking event is over.

unsure if you are serious or sarcastic....

Especially since they are only losing one guy. How will they ever sleep?

If we're so worried about losing ONE guy outside of the most obvious guys, we're in more trouble than we thought.

Im really not that worried when it comes to defense.

looking ahead:

Risto--protected
Nelson--exempt
Franson-UFA
Kulikov-UFA (could be resigned)
McCabe--protected/exposed
Bogosian--protected/exposed
Gorges--exposed
acquired vet--protected/exposed
UFA signing this summer--likely signed for 1 yr then a UFA

starting ELCs in 16/17:

Gurle
Stephens
Florentino (could join team in March after College--then exempt in draft)
Borgen--potentially could be signed. He was born in Sept-Dec so he will be 21 early in 16/17

 

[Moskau]

unsure if you are serious or sarcastic....

I'm not surprised.

 

[Ace]

Hey guys lets go get a defenseman so we can have 4 instead of 3 so we can go right back down to 3 and end up where we started.

It's worth it just to get people who can't figure it out stop whining about something that doesn't need to be done right away, and shouldn't be, for the obvious reason that the same people keep dismissing without cause.

Let's go get Fowler so we can lose McCabe for nothing. Makes way more sense then just standing pat for one stupid year and adding then.

Unless that screws up people's cup plans for this season. Weird how the same people preach patience when it comes to literally everything else involved with the roster. Not that D though. Gotta have that one more d (so we can end up right back at the same frigging number of d anyway).

Have to have it. At all costs. (Cost likely being a high pick, forward and/or forward prospect...and The d we later lose in expansion). Don't have to lose all that...but apparently we have to have it all right now. For one year...because again...we go right back to where we were.

Plan the ****ing parade.

Why do we have to have it now again?

To recap:

Because we don't like the new d we brought in in Kulikov

Because McCabe is a bum anyway so who cares When we lose him I guess...is a total bum at 22 after his first NHL year that the same people who demand Better d refuse to accept was a good first NHL season.

Because we finally got to a place where Gorges doesn't have to take big minutes all the time...so let's just put him in the press box instead of using him in a better spot because, again, have to have it.

And hey...if that bum McCabe goes against all plausibility and has a decent year...we can just do 8'skaters and waive goodbye to Larsson or Girgensons instead because throwing away good young players on cheap deals is better than waiting one season to add a LHD. It just is.

Patience bad
Asset management bad
Putting that bum McCabe in the third pair until we expansion draft his ass out of town is the only way forward.

 

[Husko]

Hey guys lets go get a defenseman so we can have 4 instead of 3 so we can go right back down to 3 and end up where we started.

It's worth it just to get people who can't figure it out stop whining about something that doesn't need to be done right away, and shouldn't be, for the obvious reason that the same people keep dismissing without cause.

Let's go get Fowler so we can lose McCabe for nothing. Makes way more sense then just standing pat for one stupid year and adding then.

Unless that screws up people's cup plans for this season. Weird how the same people preach patience when it comes to literally everything else involved with the roster. Not that D though. Gotta have that one more d (so we can end up right back at the same frigging number of d anyway).

Have to have it. At all costs. (Cost likely being a high pick, forward and/or forward prospect...and The d we later lose in expansion). Don't have to lose all that...but apparently we have to have it all right now. For one year...because again...we go right back to where we were.

Plan the ****ing parade.

Why do we have to have it now again?

To recap:

Because we don't like the new d we brought in in Kulikov

Because McCabe is a bum anyway so who cares When we lose him I guess...is a total bum at 22 after his first NHL year that the same people who demand Better d refuse to accept was a good first NHL season.

Because we finally got to a place where Gorges doesn't have to take big minutes all the time...so let's just put him in the press box instead of using him in a better spot because, again, have to have it.

And hey...if that bum McCabe goes against all plausibility and has a decent year...we can just do 8'skaters and waive goodbye to Larsson or Girgensons instead because throwing away good young players on cheap deals is better than waiting one season to add a LHD. It just is.

Patience bad
Asset management bad
Putting that bum McCabe in the third pair until we expansion draft his ass out of town is the only way forward.

So you're against improving the team now because it might cause us to lose a lesser player later?

 

[Jame]

Hey guys lets go get a defenseman so we can have 4 instead of 3 so we can go right back down to 3 and end up where we started.

It's worth it just to get people who can't figure it out stop whining about something that doesn't need to be done right away, and shouldn't be, for the obvious reason that the same people keep dismissing without cause.

Let's go get Fowler so we can lose McCabe for nothing. Makes way more sense then just standing pat for one stupid year and adding then.

Unless that screws up people's cup plans for this season. Weird how the same people preach patience when it comes to literally everything else involved with the roster. Not that D though. Gotta have that one more d (so we can end up right back at the same frigging number of d anyway).

Have to have it. At all costs. (Cost likely being a high pick, forward and/or forward prospect...and The d we later lose in expansion). Don't have to lose all that...but apparently we have to have it all right now. For one year...because again...we go right back to where we were.

Plan the ****ing parade.

Why do we have to have it now again?

To recap:

Because we don't like the new d we brought in in Kulikov

Because McCabe is a bum anyway so who cares When we lose him I guess...is a total bum at 22 after his first NHL year that the same people who demand Better d refuse to accept was a good first NHL season.

Because we finally got to a place where Gorges doesn't have to take big minutes all the time...so let's just put him in the press box instead of using him in a better spot because, again, have to have it.

And hey...if that bum McCabe goes against all plausibility and has a decent year...we can just do 8'skaters and waive goodbye to Larsson or Girgensons instead because throwing away good young players on cheap deals is better than waiting one season to add a LHD. It just is.

Patience bad
Asset management bad
Putting that bum McCabe in the third pair until we expansion draft his ass out of town is the only way forward.

New rule... if your post includes "because expansion draft" logic, don't post it.