Roster Speculation part XXII

[brian_griffin]

Yeah, always remember half of us are below average, by definition. #humility

 

[Maurice of Orange]

The only player that had a tough time adjusting to Dan Bylsma's system was Zemgus Girgensons.
It just seemed like Girgensons was being flipped all over the line up last season.

 

[brian_griffin]

The only player that had a tough time adjusting to Dan Bylsma's system was Zemgus Girgensons.
It just seemed like Girgensons was being flipped all over the line up last season.

I wouldn't assume line up flipping is indicative of a player's difficulty adjusting to a particular system... Moreover, Girgensons is one of only 2-3 Sabres who can play all 3 forward positions seemlessly, and probably the only one of those who could play on any of the 4 lines without major upheaval preciptating it.

 

[jBuds]

I wouldn't assume line up flipping is indicative of a player's difficulty adjusting to a particular system... Moreover, Girgensons is one of only 2-3 Sabres who can play all 3 forward positions seemlessly, and probably the only one of those who could play on any of the 4 lines without major upheaval preciptating it.

It's more likely this. With a guy who can play anywhere up front, you're more likely to move him in an effort to help the team, not The individual player. Meaning, ZG being shifted all over isn't to try to get him going.

 

[dotcommunism]

Yeah, always remember half of us are below average, by definition. #humility

Not true. Half are below the median, sure, but unless we're dealing with a normal distribution those aren't necessarily the same.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I'm gonna take a crack at what Buffalo's line up might look like for the 2016-17 season.

LW R. O'Reilly C Eichel RW Reinhart
LW E. Kane C Ennis RW Okposo
LW Moulson C Girgensons RW Fasching
LW Foligno C Larsson RW Gionta

LD Kulikov RD Ristolainen
LD McCabe RD Bogosian
LD Gorges RD Franson

#1 G Lehner
#2 G Nilsson

Scratched list
LW Deslauriers
C C. O' Reilly
RD Nelson

1st call up for a forward would be RW Bailey, for defense would be J. Falk and Goaltender Kasdorf

Honorable mentions
A. Nylander < return to Mississauga OHL < more development
Vesey < unsigned < would make line up if signed by Buffalo

 

[gallagt01]

I'm gonna take a crack at what Buffalo's line up might look like for the 2016-17 season.

LW R. O'Reilly C Eichel RW Reinhart
LW E. Kane C Ennis RW Okposo
LW Moulson C Girgensons RW Fasching
LW Foligno C Larsson RW Gionta

LD Kulikov RD Ristolainen
LD McCabe RD Bogosian
LD Gorges RD Franson

#1 G Lehner
#2 G Nilsson

Scratched list
LW Deslauriers
C C. O' Reilly
RD Nelson

1st call up for a forward would be RW Bailey, for defense would be J. Falk and Goaltender Kasdorf

Honorable mentions
A. Nylander < return to Mississauga OHL < more development
Vesey < unsigned < would make line up if signed by Buffalo

I think the notion that Bylsma would play Ennis at C over both ROR and Reinhart to be more than a little crazy.

 

[Reddawg]

I think the notion that Bylsma would play Ennis at C over both ROR and Reinhart to be more than a little crazy.

I don't see any reason to ever consider playing Ennis at C for the rest of his Sabres' tenure. Been there, tried that, epic fail.

 

[threeVo]

I'm gonna take a crack at what Buffalo's line up might look like for the 2016-17 season.

LW R. O'Reilly C Eichel RW Reinhart
LW E. Kane C Ennis RW Okposo
LW Moulson C Girgensons RW Fasching
LW Foligno C Larsson RW Gionta

LD Kulikov RD Ristolainen
LD McCabe RD Bogosian
LD Gorges RD Franson

#1 G Lehner
#2 G Nilsson

Scratched list
LW Deslauriers
C C. O' Reilly
RD Nelson

1st call up for a forward would be RW Bailey, for defense would be J. Falk and Goaltender Kasdorf

Honorable mentions
A. Nylander < return to Mississauga OHL < more development
Vesey < unsigned < would make line up if signed by Buffalo

Ennis will never play Center for us again.

C Depth for us IMO is this order on opening day:

ROR
Eichel
Girgensons
Reinhart
Larsson

With pretty much Reinhart not playing center and maybe even girgensons playing wing the majority of the season if we dont sign Vesey. We would need to sign a 4C if thats the case

 

[haseoke39]

Ennis will never play Center for us again.

I wouldn't be surprised to see anything. Lineups are random from game to game, period to period.

Probably he doesn't start there, but all it takes is a cold streak, a hunch, and then some goals and boom, Ennis is at center for 20 games.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I wouldn't be surprised to see anything. Lineups are random from game to game, period to period.

Probably he doesn't start there, but all it takes is a cold streak, a hunch, and then some goals and boom, Ennis is at center for 20 games.

Ennis is behind Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Larsson and likely Girgensons in the pecking order for playing center. We'd have to be decimated with injuries at the center position for him to end up there.

 

[haseoke39]

Ennis is behind Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Larsson and likely Girgensons in the pecking order for playing center. We'd have to be decimated with injuries at the center position for him to end up there.

Nah. We just need a couple cold lines and a hunch. All those guys can be healthy and the coach could just want to switch things up. The conceptual pecking order is right, what's wrong is assuming that determines how coaches make their lines.

 

[Sabre Dance]

The only player that had a tough time adjusting to Dan Bylsma's system was Zemgus Girgensons.
It just seemed like Girgensons was being flipped all over the line up last season.

He played well IMO, he just didnt score. Murray, Bylsma, and fans are having a hard time figuring out where and how to use Girgensons.

He is the perfect match for line drivers like Eichel, Kane, and Ennis.

 

[Djp]

I'm gonna take a crack at what Buffalo's line up might look like for the 2016-17 season.

LW R. O'Reilly C Eichel RW Reinhart
LW E. Kane C Ennis RW Okposo
LW Moulson C Girgensons RW Fasching
LW Foligno C Larsson RW Gionta

Ennis is not a center. switch ROR and Ennis. Kane did more "center" based on faceoff draws.

Scratched list
LW Deslauriers
C C. O' Reilly
RD Nelson

Nelson would go down to the AHL over sitting in the press box.
COR more likely to go down. I see Buffalo more likely to carry 8 Dmen over 14 forwards

 

[Myllz]

LW E. Kane C Ennis RW Okposo

*shudders*

 

[old kummelweck]

what's the holdup on risto?

 

[Jim Bob]

what's the holdup on risto?

There are a bundle of big time RFAs that haven't signed yet.

Who knows how much of it is agents wanting other guys to sign first to try and help set a higher bar for their guy?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Ennis will never play Center for us again.

C Depth for us IMO is this order on opening day:

ROR
Eichel
Girgensons
Reinhart
Larsson

With pretty much Reinhart not playing center and maybe even girgensons playing wing the majority of the season if we dont sign Vesey. We would need to sign a 4C if thats the case

Ok! Buffalo's line up without Ennis at centre
LW E. Kane C O'Reilly RW Okposo
LW Moulson C Eichel RW Reinhart
LW Foligno C Girgensons RW Fasching
LW Deslauriers C Larsson RW Gionta

Sorry I don't follow the Sabres all that much, but I get the message that Ennis was bad as a centre and I forgot that Ennis got hammered by a hit in December 2015 and has been out ever since.

If Buffalo can sign Vesey that would set the Sabres up nicely for the season.

If Vesey did sign I'd have him on the top line as a LW. Then I'd move Kane, Moulson Foligno down 1 spot each, and then I'd take Deslauriers out of the line up.

Ennis is most likely going to end up on LTIR due to his post concussion syndrome.

 

[signalIInoise]

The going theory is that Ennis will be back to full strength by the season opener. That said, I'm with you: I think he's done.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Does Tyler Ennis hold any value at this point in time...
Ennis' Cap Hit is 4.6Mil for the next 3 seasons. Would a change in scenery help Ennis at all.

Ennis did put up decent numbers for the 13-14 season (43pts) and again in the 14-15 season (46pts).
But last season (15-16) was only held to 11pts due to the concussion and the post symptoms of concussion thereafter.

 

[haseoke39]

Does Tyler Ennis hold any value at this point in time...
Ennis' Cap Hit is 4.6Mil for the next 3 seasons. Would a change in scenery help Ennis at all.

Ennis did put up decent numbers for the 13-14 season (43pts) and again in the 14-15 season (46pts).
But last season (15-16) was only held to 11pts due to the concussion and the post symptoms of concussion thereafter.

He practiced fully by the end of the year. Didn't play him for precautions sake. His contract is fair for his production and he'll be healthy to start the season. He's valuable to us.

 

[DJN21]

Does Tyler Ennis hold any value at this point in time...
Ennis' Cap Hit is 4.6Mil for the next 3 seasons. Would a change in scenery help Ennis at all.

Ennis did put up decent numbers for the 13-14 season (43pts) and again in the 14-15 season (46pts).
But last season (15-16) was only held to 11pts due to the concussion and the post symptoms of concussion thereafter.

More value to us hoping for a bounce back season than he has to any other team. Best case scenario is he manages to stay healthy and productive all this year and we can trade him on re-established value in the offseason in case his head problems return.

 

[haseoke39]

More value to us hoping for a bounce back season than he has to any other team. Best case scenario is he manages to stay healthy and productive all this year and we can trade him on re-established value in the offseason in case his head problems return.

Best case scenario is he just comes back like he was and there's no reason to trade him.

 

[DJN21]

Best case scenario is he just comes back like he was and there's no reason to trade him.

I wouldn't trust those scrambled brains for 2 more years if I had a legit offer for him...if any combo of bailey, fasching, baptiste, carrier or vesey if he signs show signs of middle six life this year ennis and his contract are completely expendable to me. I hold him for now as he has limited value, hope for the best and cash out those last two years of his contract for an asset.

 

[Man of Principles]

He practiced fully by the end of the year. Didn't play him for precautions sake. His contract is fair for his production and he'll be healthy to start the season. He's valuable to us.

Well, that last sentence is debatable. I don't value him remotely.