Guess I am in a minority. I like Subban a lot but not enough to give up the only top 2 NHL defence man we have for him never mind adding.
Roster Speculation: Part XV (aka. Off-season wish list edition)
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You move Pysyk because you want a different style...fine that makes sense.m but you keep Girgensons because his cost isn't going to soar and he's a good player even when he isn't producting. It doesn't make sense to move on from him until his cost outweighs his value.
Florida has the cash to re-sign him, but likely only for 1 year.
Ekblad in a RFA after next year, Gudbranson is a RFA this year, and Kulikov is a UFA next year.
If he wants a 2 year deal, he likely will have to go elsewhere
My guess is he re-ups there 1 year.
I am pretty sure you are in the very large majority. Risto is not going anywhere, in no way, on no day, and I 100% would never want him to. It's madness to talk about trading him. I love Subban but Risto/Eichel/O'Reilly/Reinhart are not pieces to give up.
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Girgensons fits that heavy game that Murray likes, so I think he'll be only moved if it's a sticking point in a deal.
Pysyk I can see Murray dangling though.
Pysyk I can see Murray dangling though.
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I imagine any package would have to include a young D-man with top pair potential, which might be problematic for Edmonton. Would they be willing to part with Nurse for Subban? The whole point would probably be to add Subban TO Nurse/Klefbom, not replace them.
That's the same thing with the Sabres making an offer for Subban. I can't see Montreal making that deal without getting a very good D-man back, which sort of defeats the purpose. You're hoping to add a guy like that to the core you already have, not simply replace a guy with him.
Yeah that's where I'm at. We need more good defensemen. We don't necessarily need an upgrade on our best one. Cuz we'd be in the same place we are now if there was a Subban for Risto + swap: still in need of a defenseman or two.
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I see a 2yr deal max. 3 yrs causes problems because Ullmark has only 2 yrs left in waiver freedom.
Not much of a stretch. If they are traded it's in a hockey trade, not for futures.
Pysyk + Girgensons would get A young decent LHD.
I could see something like RNH+Klefbom/Nurse for Subban if Montreal didn't win the lottery.
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Darth Murray off-season:
- Eichel convinces Vesey to come play for Buffalo.
- Cagguila signs with Buffalo as well after being impressed at Dev Camp.
- Chychrun falls to #8, and Murray wastes no time.
- Ennis comes back healthy.
- Legwand agrees to re-sign for a depth and leadership role
- Moulson stays as expansion draft fodder.
- 2017 1st and 2016 2nd to Winnipeg for Toby Enstrom
- Franson shipped to somewhere for not much.
- Johnson re-signs.
Kane - O'Reilly - Ennis
Girgensons - Reinhart - Fasching
Vesey - Eichel - Cagguila
Foligno - Larsson - Gionta
x Legwand, Moulson
Enstrom - Ristolainen
McCabe - Pysyk
Chychrun - Bogosian
x Gorges
Lehner
Johnson
I think a little pee just came out.
- Eichel convinces Vesey to come play for Buffalo.
- Cagguila signs with Buffalo as well after being impressed at Dev Camp.
- Chychrun falls to #8, and Murray wastes no time.
- Ennis comes back healthy.
- Legwand agrees to re-sign for a depth and leadership role
- Moulson stays as expansion draft fodder.
- 2017 1st and 2016 2nd to Winnipeg for Toby Enstrom
- Franson shipped to somewhere for not much.
- Johnson re-signs.
Kane - O'Reilly - Ennis
Girgensons - Reinhart - Fasching
Vesey - Eichel - Cagguila
Foligno - Larsson - Gionta
x Legwand, Moulson
Enstrom - Ristolainen
McCabe - Pysyk
Chychrun - Bogosian
x Gorges
Lehner
Johnson
I think a little pee just came out.
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Der Jaeger
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It's conceptual - like nitpicking the line combos and pairs, it misses the point.
Imagine the coup Murray pulls if in one off-season he adds two quality, young wings in Vesey and Cagguila, a rookie starter in Chychrun, and a near-perfect partner for Ristolainen in Enstrom?
Re: Vesey and Cagguila. That'd be the Pegula way of treating players, plus the tank years allowing the the team to add high end centers, paying off.
It's pretty unrealistic to say a team grabs both of the big name college UFAs. Typically high profile college UFAs look at opportunity to play in the NHL first.
Buffalo has
Eichel
O'Reilly
Kane
Reinhart
Ennis
Girgensons
Foligno
Larsson
Gionta
Moulson
In their top 9 already. IMHO, I don't see us grabbing either. There are at least 20 other suitors for each out there. The only advantage I could see us having is Caggulia being familiar with us in our dev camp.
I like the Enstrom idea....but I doubt TMGM moves two higher picks for a d-man in their 30s. Just against his MO so far. Could be wrong on that though.
Der Jaeger
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I think Ennis, Gionta, Moulson, and to a degree Kane, are all short-lived for the Sabres. Any young player could play right away in Buffalo even if it's a 4th line, spend a season adjusting to the game under low pressure, then just wait for trades, expansion draft, free agency, and retirement to create opportunity.
Like Chicago, Buffalo is gaining the attraction of playing alongside stars.
Hold on here. I'll be the first to pimp Buffalo as being a UFA destination. But, until Buffalo wins several championship(s), they won't be on par with Chicago as a place to play.
Trade 1:
To Buffalo:
D- S. Vatanen
(Yes he's a righty, but he's the exact guy we need!)
To Anaheim:
2017 1st round pick
D- M. Pysyk
F- N. Baptiste
(Maybe overpayment?)
Trade 2:
To Buffalo:
F- A. Shaw
To Chicago:
2016 3rd round pick
2016 3rd round pick (via St. L)
2017 2nd round pick (via Minnesota)
Trade 3:
To Minnesota:
2016 2nd round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2016 3rd round pick (via Anaheim)
To Buffalo:
2016 1st round pick
Draft Juolevi at 8th, Draft Niemelainen with Minnesota's 1st
Sign Caggiula
Sign Vesey
Next year:
Kane-O'Reilly-Shaw
Girgensons-Eichel-Fasching
Vesey-Reinhart-Ennis
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
Vatanen-Ristolainen
Gorges-Bogosian
McCabe-Nelson
Long term:
Juolevi-Ristolainen
Niemelainen-Vatanen
(The Four "Norsemen" of the Apocalypse!!!)
To Buffalo:
D- S. Vatanen
(Yes he's a righty, but he's the exact guy we need!)
To Anaheim:
2017 1st round pick
D- M. Pysyk
F- N. Baptiste
(Maybe overpayment?)
Trade 2:
To Buffalo:
F- A. Shaw
To Chicago:
2016 3rd round pick
2016 3rd round pick (via St. L)
2017 2nd round pick (via Minnesota)
Trade 3:
To Minnesota:
2016 2nd round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2016 3rd round pick (via Anaheim)
To Buffalo:
2016 1st round pick
Draft Juolevi at 8th, Draft Niemelainen with Minnesota's 1st
Sign Caggiula
Sign Vesey
Next year:
Kane-O'Reilly-Shaw
Girgensons-Eichel-Fasching
Vesey-Reinhart-Ennis
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
Vatanen-Ristolainen
Gorges-Bogosian
McCabe-Nelson
Long term:
Juolevi-Ristolainen
Niemelainen-Vatanen
(The Four "Norsemen" of the Apocalypse!!!)
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JThorne
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I think DJ was stating that we're on the path Chicago was when building their team. Not comparing them at this current time.
From Buf. Or Min. Perspective?
I mean you gotta pay to move up and we have picks
Not crazy at all. Finding a Shaw to sign as an undrafted UFA and use for a few years? Sure. But to bring him in for assets and pay him as an RFA? No thanks.
JThorne
Stop accepting failure
Exactly Chain. I don't see us being at that stage for at least two more years. We aren't at the "tinker for the Cup run" part yet. Shaw would be that kind of player.
Der Jaeger
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Exactly. Hossa saw where the train was headed when he signed. I think Vesey and Cagguila are plenty smart enough to see where Buffalo is headed. Why not get on the train now?
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