Roster Speculation: Part XV (aka. Off-season wish list edition)

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

We only have the ammo if it's PK for Ristolainen +.

Has anyone thought of moving Ristolainen in a deal like this? It would improve our defense and offense, but there would still be a lot of work to do on Defense.

I think the '+' would be better spent going after LHD

 

[Sabre Dance]

I think the '+' would be better spent going after LHD

The + wouldn't be much though. Maybe a 2nd round pick or mid level prospect.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

The + wouldn't be much though. Maybe a 2nd round pick or mid level prospect.

then stop thinking about Subban, you aren't willing to pay his price

 

[Sabre Dance]

then stop thinking about Subban, you aren't willing to pay his price

What would we have to include if it's Ristolainen? I mean that's a pretty good get for Montreal.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

What would we have to include if it's Ristolainen? I mean that's a pretty good get for Montreal.

Risto isn't a good get if you're moving Subban

Risto had a good season and I think you're really fighting it if anyone is arguing he's not a future #1; Subban isn't just a #1 he's 1 of the 5 best D in the league playing on a team that thinks they're a cup contender, you've gotta add to Risto to get Mon. to even think about moving PK then add again to make the value work

Plus I dont believe Montreal ownership lets PK go anywhere, if it comes down to it Bergevin is gone before PK

this sums it up for me
Eric Engels: Two things come to mind with regards to the Canadiens and Subban: “1. How do you win a trade in which you’re moving a 30-min perennial Norris candidate? 2. Would Molson allow it?”

he doesn't appear to be a locker cancer, he's good in the community, he lugs the bread truck every night, and its only bad management and a GM pissed off at PK's contract that has this convo started at all

 

[Sabre Dance]

Risto isn't a good get if you're moving Subban

Risto had a good season and I think you're really fighting it if anyone is arguing he's not a future #1; Subban isn't just a #1 he's 1 of the 5 best D in the league playing on a team that thinks they're a cup contender, you've gotta add to Risto to get Mon. to even think about moving PK then add again to make the value work

Plus I dont believe Montreal ownership lets PK go anywhere, if it comes down to it Bergevin is gone before PK

this sums it up for me
Eric Engels: Two things come to mind with regards to the Canadiens and Subban: “1. How do you win a trade in which you’re moving a 30-min perennial Norris candidate? 2. Would Molson allow it?â€

he doesn't appear to be a locker cancer, he's good in the community, he lugs the bread truck every night, and its only bad management and a GM pissed off at PK's contract that has this convo started at all

What do you think the Sabres would have to add to Ristolainen then?

I would do Ristolainen + 2016 1st.

 

[Fly Boy]

What do you think the Sabres would have to add to Ristolainen then?

I would do Ristolainen + 2016 1st.

Which would be foolish, so there's no point talking about it.

 

[Mit Yarrum]

I'm pretty sure we sign Chad. I don't trust Lehner yet from an injury prospective and Johnson has shown he can be a top end backup. Sign him. A 2 year deal at whatever he wants (within reason of course) isn't going to hurt us.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Which would be foolish, so there's no point talking about it.

Why? It makes us better.

 

[MackAttack26]

I'm pretty sure we sign Chad. I don't trust Lehner yet from an injury prospective and Johnson has shown he can be a top end backup. Sign him. A 2 year deal at whatever he wants (within reason of course) isn't going to hurt us.

Sounds like he wants to be a starter. I could see a team like Calgary or something giving him a chance.

 

[sabresandcanucks]

I'm pretty sure we sign Chad. I don't trust Lehner yet from an injury prospective and Johnson has shown he can be a top end backup. Sign him. A 2 year deal at whatever he wants (within reason of course) isn't going to hurt us.

I think he wants to be a starter somewhere, but if he does t get a job elsewhere he could resign here.

 

[Onslow]

Well if we're doing an offseason wish list, here's mine:

1) Sign RFAs
2) Assuming no lotto luck, draft BPA
3) Trade for Nash
4) Sign Campbell. If not, maybe take a look at Goligoski
5) Try to do something with Moulson and/or Ennis

Of course lotto luck changes things.

Edit: I think Campbell stays in Florida. But he'd be my #1 UFA target anyways. Might as well try...

 

[kwickly]

I agree with most posters notion that Campbell seems like somebody who will resign in Florida, but lets say he hits the UFA market, what is a reasonable contract to get him in Buffalo? 2 years 10 million?

 

[Mit Yarrum]

Sounds like he wants to be a starter. I could see a team like Calgary or something giving him a chance.

I think he wants to be a starter somewhere, but if he does t get a job elsewhere he could resign here.

I'm a bit doubtful someone tabs him as their starter. Not sure why just a feeling really.

 

[HOOats]

I have a feeling that Pysyk and Girgensons are moved this summer. The most recently drafted "non-Murray" guys" whose values are still somewhat rooted in their draft pedigree. While neither is a finished product, each guy's development this year wavered enough that the possibility of 3rd pairing/bottom 6 players respectively emerged.

Packaged with picks/prospects, we could net a serious upgrade moving them.

 

[kirby11]

I have a feeling that Pysyk and Girgensons are moved this summer. The most recently drafted "non-Murray" guys" whose values are still somewhat rooted in their draft pedigree. While neither is a finished product, each guy's development this year wavered enough that the possibility of 3rd pairing/bottom 6 players respectively emerged.


Packaged with picks/prospects, we could net a serious upgrade moving them.

I'd be cool with moving pysyk+ in a deal for an upgraded LHD. Would rather hang onto girgs unless we were for sure getting a Swiss army knife type player in return. The versatility he brings to the lineup is really valuable. Having one guy who looked decent next to eichel, can play as a member of a shutdown line, pk, and slide to center if needed plugs a lot of potential roster holes.

 

[Beerz]

Who is better?

Jimmy Vesey or Drake Caggiula?

 

[jBuds]

Who is better?

Jimmy Vesey or Drake Caggiula?

I have a tough time with that due to quality of team. Caggiula - while obviously a big reason why it was so - played on the best line in college hockey... Vesey and Harvard didn't have the year they thought they would.

I can't answer.

 

[Chainshot]

Who is better?

Jimmy Vesey or Drake Caggiula?

I have a tough time with that due to quality of team. Caggiula - while obviously a big reason why it was so - played on the best line in college hockey... Vesey and Harvard didn't have the year they thought they would.

I can't answer.

I think Vesey has the advantage of being bigger, first and foremost. That will always be a plus and I'd go with him as having the edge.

That said, I love Caggiula's combativeness and edge, regardless of his linemates.

 

[Revelate]

I think Vesey has the advantage of being bigger, first and foremost. That will always be a plus and I'd go with him as having the edge.

That said, I love Caggiula's combativeness and edge, regardless of his linemates.

I give Vesey the hire ceiling but Caggiula the higher chances of sticking in the NHL. I think he can play on just about any line.

 

[JThorne]

Subban's cost of acquisition and cap/salary make him a target I would never go after.

 

[Husko]

Only way we could get Suban is (a) we win the lottery and trade that pick or (b) trade Reinhart

 

[Moskau]

Wow. Either Tim's blowing a lot of smoke, or he's a lot happier with the defense than most around here are.

I get the impression the organization was much happier with Jake McCabe's rookie season than many of us were.

Anyways with Panarin hitting all of his bonuses Andrew Shaw's time in Chicago went from 99% likely being over to 100%. I don't consider him anything special but some around here do.

 

[dkollidas]

I have a feeling that Pysyk and Girgensons are moved this summer. The most recently drafted "non-Murray" guys" whose values are still somewhat rooted in their draft pedigree. While neither is a finished product, each guy's development this year wavered enough that the possibility of 3rd pairing/bottom 6 players respectively emerged.

Packaged with picks/prospects, we could net a serious upgrade moving them.

Agreed. Moreso Pysyk than Girgensons. RHD are highly valued in the league. And if Murray wants a guy who can qb from the back end, my assumption is so that its so Ristolainen doesn't have to do that as much. The kid's averaging 25min per night over 82 games. He shouldn't have to be only pick carrier, and if he isn't even the primary puck mover on his line, that's better for him as well.

Girgensons is a guy I'd rather not move, and I think Murray would feel the same way, but if it was necessary to gain a top tier piece, he'd do it.

Also, past statements about guys fitting with the age group of the "core" makes me think they'll stay away from UFA defensemen. He's going to make a trade for a guy who can fit in long term.

Vatanen is a real possibility in my opinion, I know he's a righty, but scoping out his Anaheim profile seems like a Murray guy, tenacious hard worker who's speed and physicality for a little guy makes him hard to play against.

Also, the fact if we had him that he would likely be playing on his off-hand could be a good thing for a more offensive defenseman like himself, especially one with speed and quick movement.

 

[Ace]

I'm not sure that's an "or" situation.

He will fetch an unbelievable return if they were stupid enough to move him.