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Maybe take a flier at Pouliot if we can get him for cheap, but the other options don't look much better than what we can get in free agency.
Roster speculation part XIV
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Any thought on if they push on Florentino's d-partner from last night, Tom Parisi when Providence's season wraps up? Fourth year senior, well-regarded as a smart defensive defenseman.... lefty. Perhaps a fit for Rochester?
Woodhouse
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Sure, I think that they'd look at Parisi for Rochester, as I think they're happy with PC (Schaller, Florentino), but SLU junior Gavin Bayreuther (offensive LHD) actually has wrapped his season and I'd look there first.
Woodhouse
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Northeastern RW Zach Aston-Reese (200-foot player) is also someone I have my eye on. Playing on a line with the Stevens brothers on NBCSN right now (HEA championship).
So, in doing some thinking about things:
Kane-O'Reilly-Ennis
XXXX-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
Deslaurier-YYYY-ZZZZ
Moulson
DDDD-Risto
McCabe-Bogo
Gorges-Pysyk/Franson
Lehner
Johnson
With Girgensons potentially being the odd man out being used to acquire DDDD. XXXX is a potential UFA or cap casuality. YYYY-ZZZZ are either call ups from Rochester or some veteran depth UFAs. Maybe 1 of each? Bailey? Fasching?
Kane-O'Reilly-Ennis
XXXX-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
Deslaurier-YYYY-ZZZZ
Moulson
DDDD-Risto
McCabe-Bogo
Gorges-Pysyk/Franson
Lehner
Johnson
With Girgensons potentially being the odd man out being used to acquire DDDD. XXXX is a potential UFA or cap casuality. YYYY-ZZZZ are either call ups from Rochester or some veteran depth UFAs. Maybe 1 of each? Bailey? Fasching?
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I don't see Girgensons being the piece another team comes looking for when they move a potential top pairing D. Kane trade they had Myers, ROR trade was Zadorov, Girgensons potential doesn't match up to that. Looking around I don't see a ton of movable value to bring in a partner for Risto. Zadorov as the centerpiece for the ROR trade was pretty split and we're looking for someone further developed than he was, Girgensons isn't swinging that, Girgensons+ isn't swinging that. The only thing I think we have going for us is that when our 1st comes up this year either Chychrun or Joulevi will be available or one of the forwards will have slipped to us. How good of a return can we expect for a second tier forward prospect and Girgensons/Pysyk? I know it's becoming more unpopular but I hope we stumble to the finish to get back into a place to guarantee Chychrun or Joulevi.
stokes84
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I'm usually not an advocate for re-treads, but I can't help but think that Vanek is a possible target to fill that Patrick Sharp trade idea that Murray had.
Not sure why they would want to look at a guy who's being scratched while in the midst of a playoff run as a possible veteran influence on this team. Especially at that cap hit.
stokes84
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Because we can't score, and Vanek is still a 20 goal scorer, even with his reduced role. Yeah, everyone knows Vanek dogs it frequently, but his skill could compliment some of our guys still. I also think Minnesota's handling of him has been embarrassing. Both coaches had agendas that aren't completely healthy. One trying to cling to his job on life support, the other trying to make a name for himself.
Agree to disagree. Vanek's disengagement is on Vanek.
If we're talking re-treads, the only one who really appeals at this point is a short-term deal on Campbell.
I could see Girgensons being dealt for a d-man.
If Minnesota misses the playoffs, they'll be making changes.
And word on their boards is that there seems to be friction between
The youth and the vets on the club. Being stuck with those big veteran contracts
(Parise, Suter, Vanek, Pominville, Koivu), they may move some youth.
Brodin was expected to make a big step up in his game this season,
Become a legit top-3 guy and form a 2nd pairing behind Suter's pairing.
That hasn't really happened. Also, Girgensons is totally the type of player
A team like Minnesota would trade for, good but not great, heavier game,
Reputation as a hard worker.
It would take a plus of some sort, I understand, but the way he has played, a guy like Brodin, at least IMO, has value closer to Girgensons than to Reinhart (as some Minnesota fans may want).
Another guy I see us going after is Drouin. If we can deal Pysyk and a non-first round pick for him, I think they do it. Or if a first is required, maybe something like Sustr & Drouin for Pysyk and a 2017 1st.
If Minnesota misses the playoffs, they'll be making changes.
And word on their boards is that there seems to be friction between
The youth and the vets on the club. Being stuck with those big veteran contracts
(Parise, Suter, Vanek, Pominville, Koivu), they may move some youth.
Brodin was expected to make a big step up in his game this season,
Become a legit top-3 guy and form a 2nd pairing behind Suter's pairing.
That hasn't really happened. Also, Girgensons is totally the type of player
A team like Minnesota would trade for, good but not great, heavier game,
Reputation as a hard worker.
It would take a plus of some sort, I understand, but the way he has played, a guy like Brodin, at least IMO, has value closer to Girgensons than to Reinhart (as some Minnesota fans may want).
Another guy I see us going after is Drouin. If we can deal Pysyk and a non-first round pick for him, I think they do it. Or if a first is required, maybe something like Sustr & Drouin for Pysyk and a 2017 1st.
stokes84
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I just checked his contract. One more year at $6.5, basically no risk. Although with only one year left, he's probably going to hunker down on that NMC.
Djp
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To say you aren't I interested is one thing
to say he is washed up is another---he is a 20/45 player. last year he was low 20s/low 50s
I'd put acquiring Vanek several notches below trading for Rick Nash on my preference list, but several notches above giving someone like Okposo or Ladd (ain't coming, see Kane, Evander) six years at $6m+ AAV. One additional condition: we don't give up any asset of much value, or an asset that may otherwise be used in acquiring a LHD. If Anaheim doesn't make the WCF, I'd be open to talking about the Ducks' 3rd rounder, but that's about it.
Maybe. But maybe he doesn't want to continue being the scapegoat in Minny. If he's going to waive the NMC, I think Buffalo is one of the places he'd consider.
Surely you're not equating Vanek and Moulson. One guy is going to score 20 goals this year, while the other has 20 goals in his last 160 NHL games and 11 in his last 119 NHL games.
I ripped Vanek more than virtually everyone on this board while he was here. But that's a ridiculous comparison.
Not comparing the two, but saying we have enough dead money on the roster. I'd also be willing to bet we could get 15+ G out of Moulson if we gave him PP time and a regular shift.
Vanek would be well down the list of options if we go the salary dump route rather than UFA route.
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stokes84
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Not true. They said repeatedly that they wanted to re-sign Vanek, but he was determined to hit UFA status.
Djp
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You are still saying Vanek is dead money. low 20s/high 40s is dead money????
in my view Vanek is someone to consider if teams need to unload salary for something like a 2rd or salary retained for a 2nd.
Moulson was getting a regular shift last year when he scored 6 goals in his final 46 games. His goal-scoring slide didn't start this year. If he scores 25 more goals in his NHL career, I'll be surprised.
As I said, Vanek is not ideal and I would not give up much of anything for him. But if you're looking for goals on the cheap (in terms of acquisition cost) - and Murray is looking for goals - his combo of production, contract, and acquisition cost wouldn't be bad.
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I would be surprised if Vanek waived his NMC, especially to come to Buffalo in his contract season.
Reinhart is a wizard in front of the net. No thanks to replacing him. Keep him right there.
He's a rapidly depreciating asset. Would he be more productive than Moulson? Of course.
Re: Moulson. If Moulson got significant PP time, I'd argue he'd have 10-15 goals this year. The biggest issue he has currently is that he's behind Kane/Girgensons/Foligno on the depth chart, all who are much more effective 5 on 5 players. There isn't really much room to shelter players with how Bylsma rotates the top 3 lines. And since he likes to load up 1 PP unit, Moulson simply hasn't gotten any quality time
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