Roster speculation part XIV

[Wisent42]

That's why I keep coming back to Enstrom or Tyutin as veteran LHD's with tread on the tires who can bolster them. It isn't Lindholm or Brodin or bust.

I'm in your corner.

 

[Reddawg]

That's why I keep coming back to Enstrom or Tyutin as veteran LHD's with tread on the tires who can bolster them. It isn't Lindholm or Brodin or bust.

If we're going with veteran LHD's through trade/FA then we also need to be drafting young LHD's with high picks to replace them down the line.

 

[Jim Bob]

More like Nash's chart is along the lines of Benn, Carter, Galchenyuk, Hall, Okposo, Saad, Sharp, etc.

Benn: http://public.tableau.com/shared/XWH5S42WC?:display_count=no

Not really

Jeff Carter: http://public.tableau.com/shared/2QYHS5DTM?:display_count=no

Yup

Galchenyuk: http://public.tableau.com/shared/S4Z625BBG?:display_count=no

Sure

Taylor Hall: http://public.tableau.com/shared/RYDS9Q2RW?:display_count=no

Not seeing it

Okposo: http://public.tableau.com/shared/KW7CJC3FW?:display_count=no

Definitely

Saad: http://public.tableau.com/shared/CBQYWSPKS?:display_count=no

Yup

Sharp: http://public.tableau.com/shared/NBTDMBNK9?:display_count=no

Nash is a little better

So, we should sign Okposo if he hits UFA, then.

 

[Chainshot]

If we're going with veteran LHD's through trade/FA then we also need to be drafting young LHD's with high picks to replace them down the line.

Indeed. Although it doesn't make is as much of an issue. They don't have to force someone into a play-now position who isn't absolutely ready for it. It gives them time to sort through what they have already in the pipe as well as augmenting that pipeline as they go.

 

[TheWook]

Regarding the LHD-issue: I think people have gotten overly stuck on the idea that we need a young elite talent guy. We need (or at least want) elite talent, yes, but I think the age factor is less important. If the concensus is that our Ristolainen (21), Pysyk (24) and Bogosian (25) is the long term solution on the right side, then I really don't think age is much of a factor when it comes to fixing the left side. Sure, it's a pipe dream to bring in someone like Lindholm, but it would be quite possible to have the right hand side set long term and roll with short term solutions on the left side. Given the age of that right side, plus McCabe at 22, it could even be argued that having a couple of vets on the left side is a necessity.

I agree. Tyutin via trade, and maybe Quincey from FA would be options for us. I thought I remember in one of Bylsma's recent interviews he mentioned the need for a steady (and heavy) defensemen on the left. Buffalo could go the LA route and pair their talented young D with big stay at home types.

 

[Wisent42]

I agree. Tyutin via trade, and maybe Quincey from FA would be options for us. I thought I remember in one of Bylsma's recent interviews he mentioned the need for a steady (and heavy) defensemen on the left. Buffalo could go the LA route and pair their talented young D with big stay at home types.

I would like that very much.

 

[brian_griffin]

Indeed. Although it doesn't make is as much of an issue. They don't have to force someone into a play-now position who isn't absolutely ready for it. It gives them time to sort through what they have already in the pipe as well as augmenting that pipeline as they go.

Combining those thoughts with the specter of expansion suggests that, in addition to trading (or signing) for a vet LHD with ideally 2 years remaining, they need to draft a LHD or acquire a young one this offseason who will in turn be exempt from the expansion draft. That way, they'll have Guhle and the other youngster in case one or the other doesn't pan out in the NHL.

I know that has all been said before - i.e., it's a both/and not an either/or for a veteran and drafted/younger LHD, but I think the expansion draft looming cinches the strategy for me.

'16-17
LHD Enstrom, McCabe, Weber
RHD Risto, Bogo, Pysyk, Franson

'17-18
Enstrom, [McCabe], {Weber},
Risto, [Bogo] Pysyk,

[assume one of the two lost in expansion]
{UFA / would not be claimed in expansion}

'18-19
Guhle and/or 2016 Rd1 pick up with Buffalo.

 

[OkimLom]

Combining those thoughts with the specter of expansion suggests that, in addition to trading (or signing) for a vet LHD with ideally 2 years remaining, they need to draft a LHD or acquire a young one this offseason who will in turn be exempt from the expansion draft. That way, they'll have Guhle and the other youngster in case one or the other doesn't pan out in the NHL.

I know that has all been said before - i.e., it's a both/and not an either/or for a veteran and drafted/younger LHD, but I think the expansion draft looming cinches the strategy for me.

'16-17
LHD Enstrom, McCabe, Weber
RHD Risto, Bogo, Pysyk, Franson

'17-18
Enstrom, [McCabe], {Weber},
Risto, [Bogo] Pysyk,

[assume one of the two lost in expansion]
{UFA / would not be claimed in expansion}

'18-19
Guhle and/or 2016 Rd1 pick up with Buffalo.

Assuming NMC/NTC are exempt from the expansion draft, I wouldn't be shocked to see any UFA's that Murray may sign in the near future, if for a top 4 position especially, to include a NMC clause, or at least see him giving Risto a NMC in his contract to help keep guys.

 

[TehDoak]

Re: Lindholm. I think the BEST case scenario is that a team like Edmonton threatens an offer sheet to them and they, like Boston, ship him cross conference for the equivalent return to spite that team. That is the only way I see him getting moved to us. A straight offersheet won't work.

 

[sabrebuild]

Benn: http://public.tableau.com/shared/XWH5S42WC?:display_count=no

Not really

Jeff Carter: http://public.tableau.com/shared/2QYHS5DTM?:display_count=no

Yup

Galchenyuk: http://public.tableau.com/shared/S4Z625BBG?:display_count=no

Sure

Taylor Hall: http://public.tableau.com/shared/RYDS9Q2RW?:display_count=no

Not seeing it

Okposo: http://public.tableau.com/shared/KW7CJC3FW?:display_count=no

Definitely

Saad: http://public.tableau.com/shared/CBQYWSPKS?:display_count=no

Yup

Sharp: http://public.tableau.com/shared/NBTDMBNK9?:display_count=no

Nash is a little better

So, we should sign Okposo if he hits UFA, then.

I'd rather have nash for two years and give up some minor stuff, than be stuck with an okposo deal that likely goes 5-7 years.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Nash's Warrior is also incredibly similar to Benn's and can be explained by the type of teammates each have.

 

[Der Jaeger]

That's why I keep coming back to Enstrom or Tyutin as veteran LHD's with tread on the tires who can bolster them. It isn't Lindholm or Brodin or bust.

Agreed, with a twist. I'd double-down by drafting Chychrun, Sergachev, or Juolevi for the long-term answer, then trade for either Enstrom or Tyutin, or both.

I think Murray needs to hold off on the trades until after the expansion draft. My concern is using assets to acquire a player, which exposes another. I'd rather wait to see how the expansion draft shakes out, then make trades at the 2017 draft. With 2-3 second rounders in the 2017 draft, Murray's got flexibility.

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

Doubtful. Given their large commitment to cap in forwards (Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, etc) they're likely going to be purging out their D-men over the next few years with the plan to have a their young d (Gostisbehere, Provorov, Morin, Sanheim, Hagg) to be taking over their D. Either way, its doubtful that either Morin or Sanheim would be NHL ready next season. I do think we certainly need a LHD in that range to develop as D-men take longer than forwards typically.

Probably the best bet would be to ask Flyer fans as while I see a fit on our side, i don't know their long term/immediate needs.

Hmm, I only target them because of the depth of LHD that they do have. A vet LD like enstrom would be helpful, but I'm curious about what the cost would be, and if it would be that much less than targeting a younger guy. And someone who hasn't moved to Pros yet, wouldnt have to be protected in expansion draft. It would be interesting to know what Murrays priority is for the offseason; winger or D?

 

[Weltschmerz]

'16-17
LHD Enstrom, McCabe, Weber
RHD Risto, Bogo, Pysyk, Franson

'17-18
Enstrom, [McCabe], {Weber},
Risto, [Bogo] Pysyk,

what happened to Gorges?

 

[Djp]

Regarding the LHD-issue: I think people have gotten overly stuck on the idea that we need a young elite talent guy. We need (or at least want) elite talent, yes, but I think the age factor is less important. If the concensus is that our Ristolainen (21), Pysyk (24) and Bogosian (25) is the long term solution on the right side, then I really don't think age is much of a factor when it comes to fixing the left side. Sure, it's a pipe dream to bring in someone like Lindholm, but it would be quite possible to have the right hand side set long term and roll with short term solutions on the left side. Given the age of that right side, plus McCabe at 22, it could even be argued that having a couple of vets on the left side is a necessity.

If they were going to go with an older Dman like Enstrom then they likely draft a Dman with their top pick.

If they plan on going with forward with their pick, then they would likely be targeting one of the younger Dmen.

As i have said before...I think they still want to target some prospect Dmen who are not high profile picks who they swap for their forward prospects or draft picks.

Factoring in the potential expansion draft....if I am understanding it correctly.

-- I have not seen clearly if ELC players are exempt. In this happens in. June 2017 would Reinhart and Eichel be exempt

---side observation on this--what if they made a rule that ELCs who lost waiver eligibility(160 games) had to be protected but those that still could freely go through waivers were exempt???? If that was the case buffalo sends Eichel snd Reinhart to Rochester next year so they don't hit 160 games snd lose waiver clearance.

If they can only keep 3 dmen then they may trade Pysyk or Bogosian.

If Reinhart and Eichel are exempt then they will go with 8 skaters and 1 goalie option to protect 4 Dmen and go out and acquire a young Dman.

 

[Djp]

If players with NMC/NTC are exempt from being drafted thus no need to protect them then in 2017 buffalo would have

F-- ROR, Kane, Moulson
D--Bogisian, Gorges

As exempt. I figure Kane's contract next year hits year 8 of his pro career...thus tenured...thus NTC/NMC would kick in if in his contract.

Acquiring vet Dmen/forwards like Enstrom would likely have this too.

 

[Zip15]

Benn: http://public.tableau.com/shared/XWH5S42WC?:display_count=no

Not really

Jeff Carter: http://public.tableau.com/shared/2QYHS5DTM?:display_count=no

Yup

Galchenyuk: http://public.tableau.com/shared/S4Z625BBG?:display_count=no

Sure

Taylor Hall: http://public.tableau.com/shared/RYDS9Q2RW?:display_count=no

Not seeing it

Okposo: http://public.tableau.com/shared/KW7CJC3FW?:display_count=no

Definitely

Saad: http://public.tableau.com/shared/CBQYWSPKS?:display_count=no

Yup

Sharp: http://public.tableau.com/shared/NBTDMBNK9?:display_count=no

Nash is a little better

So, we should sign Okposo if he hits UFA, then.

You think Nash's chart looks closer to Okposo's than Benn's? Huh?

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Not being able to buy low on dudes like DSP is why having weight like Moulson, Franson, Gionta and Ennis and a coach you can't trust with too many veteran options is the worst.

 

[Woodhouse]

You think Nash's chart looks closer to Okposo's than Benn's? Huh?

Yeah, I thought all those guys I rattled off at worst had everything similar enough but maybe the two suppression categories, which, to me, was a rather marginal distinction between third- and fourth-line suppression. And those were just a few of the names offhand that I figured to be in the ballpark. It's not like I said compare Nash's to P.Kane, Ovechkin, Stamkos, etc. like a smart aleck or something to show where he "warriors" better than them.

 

[mgeise]

what happened to Gorges?

Yeah, I can't see them being able to move his contract this offseason. Maybe at the deadline next year if the Sabres are out of the race again, but with all the cap-strapped teams out there, I don't see there being any market there for him. I think he's the #6 in that scenario and they wouldn't be able to bring a Weber-type in via free agency.

Enstrom/other similar pickup - Ristolainen
McCabe - Bogosian/Pysyk
Gorges - Bogosian/Pysyk
Franson

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Stammer with another 2 goals. Up to 33 on the year and 5th in the league, only one goal from being top 3. So in a "down" year Stamkos is still a top 5 goal scorer

Anyone really think Stamkos doesn't pot 40-50 consistently playing with Jack?!

I'm offering Stamkos 7/84 the minute free agency opens and not even thinking twice about it. I'd offer up Ennis for free and also package a 2nd+3rd+3rd on top of Moulson for someone to just take him for a 7th in order to find room to pay him his $. If the Sabres miss out on Matthews, a Finn, Tkachuk or Dubois then Stamkos is an urgent priority if he makes it to unrestricted free agency.

 

[Myllz]

Stammer with another 2 goals. Up to 33 on the year and 5th in the league, only one goal from being top 3. So in a "down" year Stamkos is still a top 5 goal scorer

Anyone really think Stamkos doesn't pot 40-50 consistently playing with Jack?!

I'm offering Stamkos 7/84 the minute free agency opens and not even thinking twice about it. I'd offer up Ennis for free and also package a 2nd+3rd+3rd on top of Moulson for someone to just take him for a 7th in order to find room to pay him his $. If the Sabres miss out on Matthews, a Finn, Tkachuk or Dubois then Stamkos is an urgent priority if he makes it to unrestricted free agency.

 

[Ace]

Yeah, I can't see them being able to move his contract this offseason. Maybe at the deadline next year if the Sabres are out of the race again, but with all the cap-strapped teams out there, I don't see there being any market there for him. I think he's the #6 in that scenario and they wouldn't be able to bring a Weber-type in via free agency.

Enstrom/other similar pickup - Ristolainen
McCabe - Bogosian/Pysyk
Gorges - Bogosian/Pysyk
Franson

I don't think Gorges is hard to move at all. There's just no reason to when they have Jack**** on that side

 

[JThorne]

Holy crap this is getting boring.

 

[JThorne]

Smith Pelley isn't much of anything.