Roster speculation part XIV

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Ace

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You can take the music over to accompany an actual argument of whether a rookie is a rookie in the Jake McCabe discussion.
 

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Chad Johnson should be offered a one year deal with a nice pay bump. I honestly think that gets it done. Let's be honest, no team is going to sign him with the intention of making him a number 1.

The Isles just 2 years ago gave him a multi year deal and regretted it by X-Mas. Don't see any team making that mistake again.

Guys like Johnson and Enroth are not the type worth offering multi-year deals to.
 

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Can you imagine Tim Murray trading the 7th overall pick in the draft being held in our own arena, in front of our own fans, for a player that is virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? While I know the response is that it shouldn't matter - if it did happen, it would be stunning.

As for Zips question, Dubois is still on the board, which makes this as easy a "no" as there is.

Well if the draft was in Buffalo 2013, management is boo'd of the building for taking Ristolainen.
 

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yea. im going to the final on saturday. not sure if im going to make it to the thursday games.

I'm debating making the trip up. I don't know if there is any money in the play fund. :laugh: Thursday is right out though. :(
 

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Chad Johnson should be offered a one year deal with a nice pay bump. I honestly think that gets it done. Let's be honest, no team is going to sign him with the intention of making him a number 1.

The Isles just 2 years ago gave him a multi year deal and regretted it by X-Mas. Don't see any team making that mistake again.

Guys like Johnson and Enroth are not the type worth offering multi-year deals to.

dubnyk turned a short run with Minny in to a lucrative deal

Cam Talbot and Eddie Lack got nice mid range multi year contracts as well.

Let's be honest... It took guys like Craig Andersen a while to establish themselves. Chad potentially is comparable there as well

Chad is going to have a nice little market for himself and will definitely get a multi year deal with a nice raise
 

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dubnyk turned a short run with Minny in to a lucrative deal

Cam Talbot and Eddie Lack got nice mid range multi year contracts as well.

Let's be honest... It took guys like Craig Andersen a while to establish themselves. Chad potentially is comparable there as well

Chad is going to have a nice little market for himself and will definitely get a multi year deal with a nice raise

Somewhere, Anton Khudobin reads this post and readies the noose
 

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Can you imagine Tim Murray trading the 7th overall pick in the draft being held in our own arena, in front of our own fans, for a player that is virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? While I know the response is that it shouldn't matter - if it did happen, it would be stunning.

As for Zips question, Dubois is still on the board, which makes this as easy a "no" as there is.

Really? You really think Tim Murray cares AT ALL about what the fans want the team to do with the pick?
Also, do you REALLY think the majority of fans, who are casual fans and don't message on HF daily, would be upset, at all, if the team traded a draft pick, who likely wouldn't be on the team for at least a year, if not two and possibly three or four, in exchange for either a prospect on the cusp, or an actual roster player.

You deal that first you're looking at guys like Sanheim, but also established players like Brodin, Scandella, Lindell+, Fleury from Car., and others I haven't named. Some would need to add for the pick, some we would have to add for the player.
But what I'm saying is that I think this is a smart option, if not the best option for them.

To me the perfect deal would be our 1st round pick for Brodin. He was looked at as a top-pair guy coming into this season, hasn't really taken that next step, and they need to shed cap and defensemen for the expansion draft. It makes sense, they can draft a center of the future that can come in behind Coyle once those terrible contracts to Vanek & Pominville are finished/bought out. The only problem is I worry about Risto next to a Swede... We all saw what he and Bogosian did to OEL and the Coyotes at the end of that game against Arizona earlier this year.
 

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Lol that's good

Anyway... I'd give Chad the deal he's looking for. I prefer goalies on 2-3 year deals, never making big money.

I can do another 2 years of Chad and Lehner, no problem.

Especially with Ullmark slow cooking behind, it just makes sense
 

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Devils traded their 1st rounder in a draft they held for Cory Schneider. So there certainly is precedent for a host team trading their first rounder. (The difference of course being that Schneider was much more well-known).

But really, the only way a deal like that works for a prospect is if the other team has someone they covet at that position (see: Blues trading Rundblad so they could draft Tarasenko). So if the Flyers are really big on Sergachev...
 

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Lol that's good

Anyway... I'd give Chad the deal he's looking for. I prefer goalies on 2-3 year deals, never making big money.

I can do another 2 years of Chad and Lehner, no problem.

IIRC, you were one who was wanting Enroth to get a 3 year extension last year when he was going on his little hot streak here. We saw in the offseason how he was valued.

Johnson had zero value at the trade deadline a month ago. He doesn't have the kind of upside that teams are going to come out of the blue with the desire to take their chances on a multi-year deal with him. I guess it takes just one dumb team, but if they exist, let it not be the Sabres.
 

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Devils traded their 1st rounder in a draft they held for Cory Schneider. So there certainly is precedent for a host team trading their first rounder. (The difference of course being that Schneider was much more well-known).

But really, the only way a deal like that works for a prospect is if the other team has someone they covet at that position (see: Blues trading Rundblad so they could draft Tarasenko). So if the Flyers are really big on Sergachev...

I don't see the Flyers being really big on ANOTHER defensemen. At least not in the first round.
 

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IIRC, you were one who was wanting Enroth to get a 3 year extension last year when he was going on his little hot streak here. We saw in the offseason how he was valued.

Johnson had zero value at the trade deadline a month ago. He doesn't have the kind of upside that teams are going to come out of the blue with the desire to take their chances on a multi-year deal with him. I guess it takes just one dumb team, but if they exist, let it not be the Sabres.

I don't know what point you think you're making with the Enroth reference

20 wins in 38 starts on a rebuilding team... .919 and a 2.38... That's just flat out

But yes, I am always in favor of signing goalies that are considered "lower tier", because I don't believe in the perceived talent gap, and they cost less for the same results.
 

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I don't think we have to 're-sign Chad Johnson. He's been good, but we have some potentials for back up at perhaps a more cost effective price short term. And after all, isn't that what we are looking for in that role, short term?

I'll even go so far as to say Lehner is a big question mark in net, at least from what we've seen to date.

Yes they both show promise. But no, they haven't shown the anchor ability. Injuries, inconsistent play in a very short time frame have hampered our ability to truly eveluate.

Let's see what Lehner can do next season.
 

Ace

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So...the starter is a question mark but we should move on from the backup for a cheaper more unproven option...and you think we already have these potential backups...somewhere. Either the guy who has played 0 pro games or the one that has and has let in 5+ goals pretty much every night in Roch lately. Or the one they won't play now sitting on the bench coming off the concussions who isn't even the AHL starter.

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Ok.
 

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I don't know what point you think you're making with the Enroth reference

20 wins in 38 starts on a rebuilding team... .919 and a 2.38... That's just flat out

But yes, I am always in favor of signing goalies that are considered "lower tier", because I don't believe in the perceived talent gap, and they cost less for the same results.

The Enroth reference is to last year. I believe you thought at the time he should be given a 3 year extension based on his play with a rebuilding team. I would think that would be at least a little bit of a lesson. He ended up hitting FA and only being able to garner a 1 year deal for a little over a million.

Unlike Enroth, Johnson had zero trade value. That gives you an idea of what many organizations think of him. He is an inconsistent guy for his career and he is just an interchangeable backup goalie whose play varies year to year. Heck last offseason, people still wanted us to sign a backup to Lehner because Johnson was so poor with the Isles last season.

One year deal for Johnson with a raise otherwise let him walk and get someone else in the "lower tier" who will "cost less for the same results."
 

Ace

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I genuinely don't know what the lesson was. Enroth has a .928'save percentage and we still need a backup next year.

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Was the lesson that giving him that contract would have worked out just fine?
 
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