Roster speculation part XIV

[sabrebuild]

that's a really strong offer. I'd love to get Sanheim.

I wonder if there is a deal where we still get their 1st.... maybe adding in Gigensons?


I know we are getting in to crazy packages... but...


#7
Girgensons
Pysyk

for
Sanheim
#18

So your saing you like sanheim a bit.ha

 

[Sabre Dance]

Question, who has more trade value, Bogosian or Pysyk?

Bogosian has been hot lately. Might be the highest his value will get.

 

[Husko]

Question, who has more trade value, Bogosian or Pysyk?

Bogosian has been hot lately. Might be the highest his value will get.

I would say Bogosian, AINEC, and I'm a huge Pysyk fan

 

[Husko]

that's a really strong offer. I'd love to get Sanheim.

I wonder if there is a deal where we still get their 1st.... maybe adding in Gigensons?


I know we are getting in to crazy packages... but...


#7
Girgensons
Pysyk

for
Sanheim
#18

I'd rather have Girgensons than their first. How many picks in the second half of the first round turn out as good as Girgensons in their careers? It's a big dice roll that just seems completely unnecessary to me, not to mention getting younger, which isn't really the goal.

 

[Sabre Dance]

that's a really strong offer. I'd love to get Sanheim.

I wonder if there is a deal where we still get their 1st.... maybe adding in Gigensons?


I know we are getting in to crazy packages... but...


#7
Girgensons
Pysyk

for
Sanheim
#18

Not sure I would like that. Girgensons is better than #18. I don't need #18. If we are packaging #7, Pysyk, and Girgensons we might be able to get one of the Ducks LHD.

 

[Zip15]

If I'm trading #7 OA I'd rather it be for a more proven player

At least a player who will be in the NHL next year.

As opposed to keeping it and picking a player who...won't be in the NHL next year?

I've watched Sanheim this season... he looks like a smart Tyler Myers... on the left side.

that trade proposal is a no brainer for me.

ps i dont think Philly touches it.

I don't think they would do it, either.

Can you imagine Tim Murray trading the 7th overall pick in the draft being held in our own arena, in front of our own fans, for a player that is virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? While I know the response is that it shouldn't matter - if it did happen, it would be stunning.

As opposed to keeping it and using it on a player virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? The "average" fan in that arena is not going to be the "average" HF poster. Many of them wouldn't be able to pick Dubois or Juolevi out of a lineup.

As for Zips question, Dubois is still on the board, which makes this as easy a "no" as there is.

I thought Tkachuk would make it an easier no from you? Have you moved Dubois ahead of him?

 

[stokes84]

As opposed to keeping it and using it on a player virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? The "average" fan in that arena is not going to be the "average" HF poster. Many of them wouldn't be able to pick Dubois or Juolevi out of a lineup.



I thought Tkachuk would make it an easier no from you? Have you moved Dubois ahead of him?

No, you had Tkachuk listed as having already been picked. You didn't have Dubois listed.

What's extra frustrating about all of this is that Sanheim's partner, who is a better prospect, will still be available with that pick, yet here we are talking about adding pieces to the better prospects because people are so freaked out about handedness.

 

[Jim Bob]

As opposed to keeping it and using it on a player virtually unknown to most average hockey fans? The "average" fan in that arena is not going to be the "average" HF poster. Many of them wouldn't be able to pick Dubois or Juolevi out of a lineup.

Exactly, the average fan might know Auston Matthews and that's it.

The average fan is likely to just wonder why they traded the 7th pick for a guy that was picked 17th....

 

[Myllz]

I find it amusing that people think Murray would or wouldn't do something with his draft pick just because the draft is in Buffalo. Have some of you not seen how Tim operates?

 

[brian_griffin]

Exactly, the average fan might know Auston Matthews and that's it.

The average fan is likely to just wonder why they traded the 7th pick for a guy that was picked 17th....

But the average fan won't know he was picked 17th in 2014.

 

[Jim Bob]

But the average fan won't know he was picked 17th in 2014.

I'm sure that will be a part of the conversation that takes place once the trade is announced.

 

[Jim Bob]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=116204235&postcount=101

I just don't think I would trade Sanheim because our D is not fixed yet.

We have seen Ghost miss a full year with injury. And Morin break his jaw. And Hagg take a step back in expected development.

Until our D is fixed, I keep all our D prospects and just keep drafting the hell out of forwards at this years draft.

I wanna keep the guy who just put up the best PPG for D in the WHL in 20 years. Hell, we could have Ghost, Provorov and Sanheim each on different lines to cause matchup issues in the future. Or stack the top 4 if we want.

We have our D and goalie pipeline in place. Now we will focus on forwards at this draft. And with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds Hextall has some ammo to work with.

Stay the course. It's working.

Plus, I am not giving Buffalo the missing piece they need for their D that is already 2 years into his development. Let them wait it out.

 

[Jame]

So your saing you like sanheim a bit.ha

oh hell yea... he's awesome. I think it was a good play by zip. He knows how good Sanheim is, but he's not a household name/prospect.

 

[Jame]

Not sure I would like that. Girgensons is better than #18. I don't need #18. If we are packaging #7, Pysyk, and Girgensons we might be able to get one of the Ducks LHD.

If you can get Lindholm for that package, awesome. I don't think you can. There's no way i give that package for 2 years of Fowler.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Ducks defensemen in order that I care about acquiring them:
Lindholm
Theodore/Vatanen
Manson
Fowler
Montour

 

[Jame]

Ducks defensemen in order that I care about acquiring them:
Lindholm
Theodore/Vatanen
Manson
Fowler
Montour

Theodore vs Sanheim would be an interesting debate. Similar body types/skating skills


Elite offensive set of skills vs total package defensemen

 

[kirby11]

Offered up 2016 1st, 2017 2nd, Pysyk for Sanheim on the trade board. The three Flyer fan responses, so far, are that it's fair value. 2 would not do it, one would.

I'd do that, but maybe have Philly throw in a mid round pick (rounds 3-5) since they're getting a first and second out of it

 

[stokes84]

For those that are making the case for trading our 1st, or even our 1st +, for Sanheim, do you know about Jake Bean?

 

[OkimLom]

For those that are making the case for trading our 1st, or even our 1st +, for Sanheim, do you know about Jake Bean?

Do you????

 

[stokes84]

Do you????

I'll take that as a no.

Sanheim's partner, who is every bit as good as Sanheim despite being two years younger, and absolutely a better prospect, and will be available when we pick.

 

[TehDoak]

I'll take that as a no.

Sanheim's partner, who is every bit as good as Sanheim despite being two years younger, and absolutely a better prospect, and will be available when we pick.

I'm for this, if only so I can make Flick the Bean jokes for the next 5 years.

 

[Jame]

I like Bean a lot. I have him 12th overall in this draft. And if Chych and Juolevi are off the board, and understanding the Serg stigma... I'd have no problem drafting Bean.

But I would trading an 18 year old Bean for 20 year old Bean with 2 years of excellent development is a no brainer.

Not sure whats so hard to understand about this, other than overrating draft eligible prospects and being clueless about actual development of players that has gone on over the last 2 years.

Sanheim is the goods. But for some reason only Draft Eligible prospects or very young NHLers are valued around here.

20 year LHD who just finished arguably the best season a defensemen has had in the WHL in 20 years.... looks like a cross between Tyler Myers and Ryan McDonagh... fits our needs like a glove.

 

[Der Jaeger]

that's a really strong offer. I'd love to get Sanheim.

I wonder if there is a deal where we still get their 1st.... maybe adding in Gigensons?


I know we are getting in to crazy packages... but...


#7
Girgensons
Pysyk

for
Sanheim
#18

This deal definitely offers Philly the LW they are looking for. Murray might be able to come back with Kunin or Thompson later in the draft... maybe Gauthier drops?

I'd do my deal. I'd probably do your deal if I was confident in getting Thompson or Kunin, who I think both fill big needs. Also, coming back in the second and getting Grundstrom would be a coup. He'd backfill Girgensons' game.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I like Bean a lot. I have him 12th overall in this draft. And if Chych and Juolevi are off the board, and understanding the Serg stigma... I'd have no problem drafting Bean.

But I would trading an 18 year old Bean for 20 year old Bean with 2 years of excellent development is a no brainer.

Not sure whats so hard to understand about this, other than overrating draft eligible prospects and being clueless about actual development of players that has gone on over the last 2 years.

Sanheim is the goods. But for some reason only Draft Eligible prospects or very young NHLers are valued around here.

20 year LHD who just finished arguably the best season a defensemen has had in the WHL in 20 years.... looks like a cross between Tyler Myers and Ryan McDonagh... fits our needs like a glove.

Sanheim is ready sooner than Bean. He fills the teams biggest and most important need, and arguable becomes part of the team's core with Ristolainen, Eichel, Reinhart, and O'Reilly.

Defense over the next two seasons:
LHD: Sanheim, McCabe, trade (Enstrom), Gorges, Guhle, Martin
RHD: Ristolainen, Bogosian, Nelson, Franson, Borgen

 

[Jame]

This deal definitely offers Philly the LW they are looking for. Murray might be able to come back with Kunin or Thompson later in the draft... maybe Gauthier drops?

I'd do my deal. I'd probably do your deal if I was confident in getting Thompson or Kunin, who I think both fill big needs. Also, coming back in the second and getting Grundstrom would be a coup. He'd backfill Girgensons' game.

yea, one of my guys. I have him as a late 1st now... but could see us getting him in the 2nd for sure.

in a couple year, a veteran Larsson lock down line, with a young Grundstrom on it...