Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

[TehDoak]

So Stamkos just turned 26, young ufa...any chance he'd be lured with a fat small term deal?

So Eichel and Reinhart are legit, showing promise and that they belong. Plus, we also have young steady forwards in Girgensons, Larrson and Kane.

If you have a chance to get a huge fish, lure him in. Speed up the rebuild and go for it!

They're all part of the same agent, players know what's going on and who's on the team...

Offer him two years and 11-12 mil per. He'd be a ufa at the normal age of 28 at the end of the two years. He'd know that's when we'd have to sign Eichel and Reinhart to larger contracts. For the next two years go for it.

A top 9 consisting of 5 very good two way players in ROR, Kane, Reinhart, Girgensons and Larsson. Plus, pure offense in Eichel and Stamkos.

Rebuild the bottom 3 correctly and that's a pretty awesome forward group. Use Ennis, Foligno, Des, Moulson and whatever we get for this years UFA's to add a couple D and we could be pretty good. We wouldn't be counting on rookies (albeit 15 & 23 are very young but wouldn't be counted on to lead the team) but on solid 4-7 year pros like 90, 91, 9, 28 and 22.

If he can get past the "leaving the fat contract for two years," and be on board, we'd be pretty good.

It's not that far fetched....lets say we have pick #5 this year....think Anaheim would bite for Fowler, or Minn for Brodin??? Sign Golgoski, jettison Franson.....

Murray has got some work to do!!!

Stamkos would be stupid (and irresponsible) to take a short term deal.

He should be able to get a 72-76M total deal from Tampa Bay (8 years x 9-9.5M)

He should be able to get 77M-81M on the open market (7 years x 11-11.5)


Even if he got a 2 year, 15M per deal....he'd be risking 35M+ that he doesn't get injured.

 

[stokes84]

So Stamkos just turned 26, young ufa...any chance he'd be lured with a fat small term deal?

So Eichel and Reinhart are legit, showing promise and that they belong. Plus, we also have young steady forwards in Girgensons, Larrson and Kane.

If you have a chance to get a huge fish, lure him in. Speed up the rebuild and go for it!

They're all part of the same agent, players know what's going on and who's on the team...

Offer him two years and 11-12 mil per. He'd be a ufa at the normal age of 28 at the end of the two years. He'd know that's when we'd have to sign Eichel and Reinhart to larger contracts. For the next two years go for it.

A top 9 consisting of 5 very good two way players in ROR, Kane, Reinhart, Girgensons and Larsson. Plus, pure offense in Eichel and Stamkos.

Rebuild the bottom 3 correctly and that's a pretty awesome forward group. Use Ennis, Foligno, Des, Moulson and whatever we get for this years UFA's to add a couple D and we could be pretty good. We wouldn't be counting on rookies (albeit 15 & 23 are very young but wouldn't be counted on to lead the team) but on solid 4-7 year pros like 90, 91, 9, 28 and 22.

If he can get past the "leaving the fat contract for two years," and be on board, we'd be pretty good.

It's not that far fetched....lets say we have pick #5 this year....think Anaheim would bite for Fowler, or Minn for Brodin??? Sign Golgoski, jettison Franson.....

Murray has got some work to do!!!

seriously? He's going to get $11-12 mil over 7 or 8 years, there is ZERO chance he takes a short term contract when he has a chance to get virtually the largest contract allowed by the current rules. Nobody in there right mind would give up $60 million guaranteed money to take a short term contract with anyone, let alone Buffalo.

 

[SabresBillsBuffalo]

Hopefully
We don't go over 9.25 a year for him.

10-12 million cap hits per year can really **** a team. If we get him that's definitely gonna draw the eye of other free agents (Campbell, Okposo, Backes, etc) interested

 

[EichHart]

Kane is playing so much better in the last month or so. If this is the real Kane I would really think about locking him up long term. He brings so much to the game even if he is not scoring. The tenacity, speed, explosiveness, and board play is great. Not to mention if we need a fighter he is always there to stand up for our star players.

 

[OkimLom]

Kane is playing so much better in the last month or so. If this is the real Kane I would really think about locking him up long term. He brings so much to the game even if he is not scoring. The tenacity, speed, explosiveness, and board play is great. Not to mention if we need a fighter he is always there to stand up for our star players.

Agree, I have liked his game lately. Still on the fence about extending him, but at least we have time to decide that.

 

[TehDoak]

Kane is playing so much better in the last month or so. If this is the real Kane I would really think about locking him up long term. He brings so much to the game even if he is not scoring. The tenacity, speed, explosiveness, and board play is great. Not to mention if we need a fighter he is always there to stand up for our star players.

We've got another year and change before we can even start talking extension.

However, when you consider his contract will likely be ending when Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, etc will start becoming regular NHLers, I think Kane's tenure with the team will probably only be 3 years.

 

[Onslow]

We've got another year and change before we can even start talking extension.

However, when you consider his contract will likely be ending when Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, etc will start becoming regular NHLers, I think Kane's tenure with the team will probably only be 3 years.

If they become NHLers. Fasching seems like the best bet at this point. Bailey has a ways to go IMO. Still really raw. I'd like to get an extended look at Bailey in the bigs for a while though. He's intriguing.

 

[BananaSquad]

We've got another year and change before we can even start talking extension.

However, when you consider his contract will likely be ending when Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, etc will start becoming regular NHLers, I think Kane's tenure with the team will probably only be 3 years.

Lol oh yes and they will all be better then Kane! Im sure Murray made that trade just to have Kane for 3 years.....

 

[EichHart]

We've got another year and change before we can even start talking extension.

However, when you consider his contract will likely be ending when Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, etc will start becoming regular NHLers, I think Kane's tenure with the team will probably only be 3 years.

Those are not all guaranteed NHLers. I can see maybe Fasching being the best probability, but all those players are bottom 6ers in my opinion and will not get big contracts. Kane is far above those players in capabilities.

 

[TehDoak]

If they become NHLers. Fasching seems like the best bet at this point. Bailey has a ways to go IMO. Still really raw. I'd like to get an extended look at Bailey in the bigs for a while though. He's intriguing.

Lol oh yes and they will all be better then Kane! Im sure Murray made that trade just to have Kane for 3 years.....

Those are not all guaranteed NHLers. I can see maybe Fasching being the best probability, but all those players are bottom 6ers in my opinion and will not get big contracts. Kane is far above those players in capabilities.

They probably won't be better than Kane. But consider the Blackhawks. How many GOOD players have they cycled through over the last 7 years? Byfugilen, Ladd, Campbell, Sharp, Oduya, Saad, etc. In the cap world, you can't keep all the good players. You identify your core. Three forwards, three d-men, maybe a goalie. Kane's contract runs out the same time as Eichel's and Reinharts. Keep your young players on their ELC and bridge deals. Once they get expensive....you move them on. Kane is already expensive....unless he's just awful the next two years, he'll continue to be expensive.

Identify and lock up your core. Everyone else can be moved.

 

[Djp]

We've got another year and change before we can even start talking extension.

However, when you consider his contract will likely be ending when Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, etc will start becoming regular NHLers, I think Kane's tenure with the team will probably only be 3 years.

The way I see it......

Girgensons gets a 2 yr bridge then it's between him and Kane in 2018. One LW job goes to them. My assumption they would costs around the same to sign to a 5 yr extension.

If they were to draft a LW or sign/acquire a LW...one spot goes to them.

Fasching, Bailey, Baptiste are at the end of their ELCs but still under team control for 4 more years. Likely they are given 2 yr bridge contracts. Likely 1-2 of them p( those 3 and other wingels for 2013 and 2014)they trade.

 

[haseoke39]

Girgensons bad season is our blessing in disguise. See if you can lock him up at a savings. I firmly believe he's a key piece.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Kane already carries a $5.25m cap hit. How can you even extend him? Unless he is willing to accept just 250-500k more to his current number long term then I am moving him before letting him walk. Does anyone think Kane is truly a $6-7 million dollar winger ? How? He is a 25 goal winger. He doesn't deserve 6-7 mil per. He isn't even worth what he makes now at his current level of production.

 

[BananaSquad]

Kane already carries a $5.25m cap hit. How can you even extend him? Unless he is willing to accept just 250-500k more to his current number long term then I am moving him before letting him walk. Does anyone think Kane is truly a $6-7 million dollar winger ? How? He is a 25 goal winger. He doesn't deserve 6-7 mil per. He isn't even worth what he makes now at his current level of production.

Yet you have no problem giving Stamkos 11m to play wing... Oh yes I forgot 50 goal guy with St.Louis.

 

[thekenneth]

I'd be in no rush to move Kane. Ever since the 3 fight night.. he's been playing overly well.

Moulson, Gionta, Girgenson, Ennis. those who I'd like to see moved.
I don't think stamkos would want to go to a rebuilding team
toronto or buffalo I'd assume is a no.

Vancouver is a slight chance. (or maybe I'm just going too much by local news)

 

[thekenneth]

Kane already carries a $5.25m cap hit. How can you even extend him? Unless he is willing to accept just 250-500k more to his current number long term then I am moving him before letting him walk. Does anyone think Kane is truly a $6-7 million dollar winger ? How? He is a 25 goal winger. He doesn't deserve 6-7 mil per. He isn't even worth what he makes now at his current level of production.

not sure why you have Kane hate more so than Moulson hate. they make basically the same. Kane will at least hit 20 goals this year. moulson might not hit 5

 

[TehDoak]

Girgensons bad season is our blessing in disguise. See if you can lock him up at a savings. I firmly believe he's a key piece.

Given his demonstrated work ethic, I'd have zero qualms giving him a 6-7 year deal at ~3M per. Lock him up cheap and long.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Yet you have no problem giving Stamkos 11m to play wing... Oh yes I forgot 50 goal guy with St.Louis.

Because Stamkos will end up with twice as many goals as Kane will. So why shouldn't he make twice as much? And I only advocate giving Stamkos that much because that is the cost of doing business in free agency. Do I like it? No. But good luck finding a 40-50 goal scorer in their mid 20s or younger. Only way to acquire one is to finish top 3 and draft one, gut your asset pool and trade the farm for one or hope one of your players overachieves and smashes thru their projected ceiling. We need an elite player to pair with Eichel period. Kane and Eichel don't mesh at all. Stamkos and Eichel would. Eichel passes just as much if not more then he shoots. Both have elite shots. And like I already said, those two alone are giving you 80 goals a season, if not more.

And even though I slotted Stamkos on the wing, he is a center. So he could actually center a line and allow RoR go to the wing, if you would prefer to have your top 2 lines be centered by Stamkos and Eichel if you want to spread around the offense. I just find it crazy that people are up in arms about a guy with almost 300 career goals who just turned 26 last week possibly getting 8 figures in free agency from us, but have no problem giving a raise to someone 1 and a half years younger who averages 20 goals and 32 points less per 82 games. If you want to keep Kane long term, you are looking at bare minimum $6.5m x 7-8 years. For a guy with 1 30 goal season and an average of 25 goals per 82 games? So $6.5-7 mil long term is Ok for a 25-25-50 player but $10-11.5 m long term for a guy less then two years older who puts up 45-36-81 per season on average? To each their own. One is a solid second line winger. The other is a game breaking superstar goal scorer. The only better goal scorer in the entire league aside from Stamkos is Ovechkin.

not sure why you have Kane hate more so than Moulson hate. they make basically the same. Kane will at least hit 20 goals this year. moulson might not hit 5

I haven't even mentioned Moulson. Because he has become terrible. I had hopes for Moulson to return to a 20-25 goal scorer but now he isn't even a 20-25 point player. I would gladly keep Kane on my team. Moulson though needs to go. I'd actually give up a 2017 2nd to a team if they would take Moulson and his whole deal at the deadline but we all know that is impossible. No one is taking him. Not even for a 2nd that looks to be a top 35 pick. We would have to retain 50% on Moulson AND give a 2nd or Bailey/Fasching type prospect for someone to take that train wreck for 3 more years after this. I really hope Moulson doesn't hold us back from adding any good players. He has gotten over a million dollars a goal this season. That is absolutely pathetic. If he had any self respect he would announce his retirement instead of embarrassing himself on the ice but no sane person would do that, not when their is $15 million over the next 3 years waiting for you. Hell, we are better off stashing him in Rochester and saving 900 grand off our cap then having him play here.

Moulson not playing @ $4.1 million >>>> Moulson playing in Buffalo @ $5 million

 

[Yatzhee]

Up on the trade forums, Fowler.

If he could be had, would you pursue him, and if so what would be the price?

Discuss.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Up on the trade forums, Fowler.

If he could be had, would you pursue him, and if so what would be the price?

Discuss.

Guhle/Bogs + top 5-7 protected 1st?

 

[Djp]

Kane already carries a $5.25m cap hit. How can you even extend him? Unless he is willing to accept just 250-500k more to his current number long term then I am moving him before letting him walk. Does anyone think Kane is truly a $6-7 million dollar winger ? How? He is a 25 goal winger. He doesn't deserve 6-7 mil per. He isn't even worth what he makes now at his current level of production.

If he is 20-25 goal winger he could be signed for around $5.5M.

Up on the trade forums, Fowler.

If he could be had, would you pursue him, and if so what would be the price?

Discuss.

I think this is a draft day trade. At LD they have Fowler,Lindholm, and Depres...Depres they signed an extension at around. $4M IIRC. I think paying $4M on a 3rd pair is high. They have agroforestry in the minors. I think one of those 3 can be available.

I think a draft day trade is likely.

I would trade a 1st in 2016(#4-9)for Lindholm

I would trade 2017 1st + Pysyk + Ennis(50% retained)+ prospect {or something he was traded for } for Fowler + something else.

 

[CowbellConray]

Two names I would love - Trevor Lewis and Darren Helm

Thoughts?

 

[NEcoli]

I'm not really sure what Murray's plan is for Colaiacovo. He's played two games since Christmas. Why is he still there? Does he think he's going to get value for him at the deadline notwithstanding that Cola's the #8 defenseman on one of the worst defense corps in the league? Does he really think that somebody would claim him off waivers in a league where Ehrhoff just went unclaimed? Even in the off chance he was claimed, who cares? They'd still have seven defensemen who the coach prefers to Cola.

These are all mysteries to me.

There's a limit on how many veterans can dress for an AHL team, and I believe Rochester is already over it. If they sent him down, he still might end up in the press box.

 

[SECRET SQUIRREL]

If he is 20-25 goal winger he could be signed for around $5.5M.



I think this is a draft day trade. At LD they have Fowler,Lindholm, and Depres...Depres they signed an extension at around. $4M IIRC. I think paying $4M on a 3rd pair is high. They have agroforestry in the minors. I think one of those 3 can be available.

I think a draft day trade is likely.

I would trade a 1st in 2016(#4-9)for Lindholm

I would trade 2017 1st + Pysyk + Ennis(50% retained)+ prospect {or something he was traded for } for Fowler + something else.

That kid is crazy underrated, I'd prolly even trade Eichel for him

 

[Samsonite23]

Two names I would love - Trevor Lewis and Darren Helm

Thoughts?

I love me some Helm. I'd go after him for sure