Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

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gallagt01

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That would be pretty amazing if Eichel was at that caliber by next year. Maybe I'm just underestimating Jack.

To clarify, I think Jack can be better than the player Stamkos is today as early as next season (hell, statistically -- and yes, I know there is much more to the game than points -- they're having very comparable seasons already).

Stamkos isn't the player he was a few years ago.
 

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What's the reason for Stamkos' fall in production? I'm having a hard time committing 11 or 12 million long term to a player who hasn't scored at a point per game pace in 2 seasons.
 

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What's the reason for Stamkos' fall in production? I'm having a hard time committing 11 or 12 million long term to a player who hasn't scored at a point per game pace in 2 seasons.

System+emergence of the triplets means they no longer need him to score 50 goals a year and they actually were more successful as a team with the offense being spread around instead of top heavy.

Let's not get it twisted though, last year in a "down" season Stamkos still scored 43 goals and 72 points and even this year is still on pace for 33 goals. Playing with Jack Eichel will get him back to 40-50 goal form. We are talking about a player who literally just turned 26 this past week and has 298 career goals. A guy who will probably have 500+ career goals by 31-32 and has the possibility of scoring 700+ career goals. Imagine if he didn't miss literally a full 82 games due to a lockout + long injury in back to back years, he'd have around 350 career goals at age 26. He is the games second best goal scorer after Ovechkin. I cannot believe people aren't salivating at the mouth thinking about the remote possibility of having this player paired with Jack Eichel for the next 10 years. Just remember there were some pretty strong rumors of a possible Stamkos-Eichel swap at the draft. Now we could possibly have both instead of trading one for the other.
 

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Yeo out in Minny, wonder if that springs anyone free on the trade front there.

What I heard on HNIC was the GM looked to try and make a trade but he was being asked for players he didn't want to give . He decided to try and spark this with a coach change echo is supposedly going to their AHL coach.
 

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Am I crazy for prioritizing 4 years of Backes vs maxing out Stammer?

Do the wheels fall off Backes soon? That's the question. Can they get him for term and dollars that isn't hindering in the last year(s) of his deal while still protecting against the risk of an old physical player being spent.
 

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I so want Uncle Terry to get Stamkos and Fed Ex a photo of him in a Sabres jersey to Mike Babcock with a note reading "Karma's a *****!"
 

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On HNIC 2nd intermission....with Kyprios......he said he doesn't see him in buffalo. He wants to be in a major market. he thinks ( I think it's really hoping) he goes to Canada...either Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal.
 

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Am I crazy for prioritizing 4 years of Backes vs maxing out Stammer?

In terms of realistically happening, Backes should be at or near the top of everyone's wish list. But comparing the two? 26 years of age vs 32? Backes production has fallen drastically this year and he's playing at a 40 point pace. Yes he brings far more to the table then just production but with guys like RoR, Reinhart and Kane we also need scoring just as much if not more then great two way play. And for all the heat Stamkos got for his postseason production, he is still miles better then Backes. You can't overlook that a guy turning 32 and is a supposed leader only has a whopping 29 games of postseason experience and a horrid total of 5 playoff goals in those 29 games. He literally averages 1 goal a postseason since he gets bounced in the first round every year. And I mean literally. He has made it past round 1 once and that year he has two playoff goals. Every other playoffs he had 1 goal. I wouldn't give Backes more then $5 to maybe $5.75m per. With respect to their current play and taking age into consideration, giving $7m to a 32 year old who will likely finish with 40-45 points this year who is Casper the friendly ghost in the postseason is not a better choice then $10-12 mil for Stamkos.
 

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Do the wheels fall off Backes soon? That's the question. Can they get him for term and dollars that isn't hindering in the last year(s) of his deal while still protecting against the risk of an old physical player being spent.
True.

It's really gonna come down to clearing the Moulson/Ennis/Gorges hits and not signing dumbass contracts like McGinn. If that happens we get **** you money. If that doesn't, I'm going to be pooping my pants at the potential downsides of any 3+ year deal we sign.
 

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On HNIC 2nd intermission....with Kyprios......he said he doesn't see him in buffalo. He wants to be in a major market. he thinks ( I think it's really hoping) he goes to Canada...either Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal.
It's official: you may as well fit Stamkos for a Sabres jersey now. Kyprios: always wrong.
 

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System+emergence of the triplets means they no longer need him to score 50 goals a year and they actually were more successful as a team with the offense being spread around instead of top heavy.

Let's not get it twisted though, last year in a "down" season Stamkos still scored 43 goals and 72 points and even this year is still on pace for 33 goals. Playing with Jack Eichel will get him back to 40-50 goal form. We are talking about a player who literally just turned 26 this past week and has 298 career goals. A guy who will probably have 500+ career goals by 31-32 and has the possibility of scoring 700+ career goals. Imagine if he didn't miss literally a full 82 games due to a lockout + long injury in back to back years, he'd have around 350 career goals at age 26. He is the games second best goal scorer after Ovechkin. I cannot believe people aren't salivating at the mouth thinking about the remote possibility of having this player paired with Jack Eichel for the next 10 years. Just remember there were some pretty strong rumors of a possible Stamkos-Eichel swap at the draft. Now we could possibly have both instead of trading one for the other.

If that rumor is true about swapping the #2 pick for Eichel, then doesn't that mean Stamkos nixed it? Cause that was what I read. Murray/Pegula would only trade the pick if Stamkos was willing to sign an extension here and he said no.
So if that's true, I don't see why he'd change his mind all the sudden and want to sign here as a FA. I mean, it would be amazing. But I won't believe it till I see it.

I'm scared that Murray will hear this rumor and trade assets for Stamkos. Then have it turn out that Stamkos was only interested in Buffalo for the purposes of driving up his price and getting a sweet front loaded deal like ROR did.
I hope/think Tim Murray is too smart to give up any major asset(s) for Stamkos though. I could see trading a pick for his negotiating rights. But no major players, at least I pray! If it came with an extension in place for Stamkos, that would be a different story.
 

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It's official: you may as well fit Stamkos for a Sabres jersey now. Kyprios: always wrong.

I admit I laughed. And agree that Kipper is almost always 100% wrong.

Edit - I think he stays in Tampa. He's a pro, Yzerman is also a consummate professional -- they will get it done.
 

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True.

It's really gonna come down to clearing the Moulson/Ennis/Gorges hits and not signing dumbass contracts like McGinn. If that happens we get **** you money. If that doesn't, I'm going to be pooping my pants at the potential downsides of any 3+ year deal we sign.

Yeah, they need less ****-wit contracts like the proposals from the Dean of Journalism School, err Mike Harrington and more vet value deals for short-term, hungry vets --- I'm looking at you Lee Stempniak -- to remain viable to get a difference maker in an area of weakness when that player becomes available.
 

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Moulson for Pominville. I think I'm only half joking.

Oh no. Poms looks now like Moulson did at this point last year. The wheels may not be off that wagon, but they're held on with shoestrings and tape.

My thought is more toward their blueline (Spurgeon or Scandella) or someone like The Nino.
 

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What's the reason for Stamkos' fall in production? I'm having a hard time committing 11 or 12 million long term to a player who hasn't scored at a point per game pace in 2 seasons.

His broken leg ever since that happened he has changed does not drive to the net! Also needs a elite playmaker like St. Louis feeding him the puck.
 

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His broken leg ever since that happened he has changed does not drive to the net! Also needs a elite playmaker like St. Louis feeding him the puck.

I wonder who would be the best player(s) to play with Stamkos if he does hypothetically signs here.

Would an RoR-Eichel-Stamkos mega line be best? RoR chasing down and retrieving the puck for two studs who arguably 2 of the top 5 shots in the league?

Or what about a line like Kane-Stamkos-Reinhart? Stamkos can play center which is supposedly one of his demands/requests and he can have a cerebral super smart Reinhart on his wing telegraphing where he will be to feed Stammer some one timers/tap ins? And where Stamkos can control the puck in the zone and feed Kane some hit percentage shots? (Though I feel Eichel and Stamkos are very similiar especially in the facet of the game where he would not mesh with Kane at all).

I actually could see (don't laugh) Tyler Ennis being a GREAT component to a possible Stamkos line. Ennis is obviously a pass first guy but he still will end up with his 20 goals. Ennis can create some space with the puck drawing defenders while he maneuvers with the puck hopefully freeing up Stamkos for a one timer from the slot.

And of course whoever we draft this year will also play a big part in it. Imagine a Laine, Matthews or Puljujarvi on a line with Stamkos and Eichel? :drooool. I am actually pretty angry at Bob McKenzie for saying what he did. I know that there is a realistic 10% chance he comes here if he even makes it to free agency at all but damn, I am going to be hoping and praying for a Stamkos signing until the day he re-signs with Tampa prior to free agency or the minute he ends up signing with another team. The possibility of Buffalo signing Stamkos has me as excited as the portion of our fan base was here regarding the chance of Buffalo acquiring RoR. Some were all for it, some were totally against it, some were only for it if he ended up extending and some were against it depending on cost (trade and contract wise). I was in the latter, for the trade only if the cost was reasonable and the salary though admittedly I was not the most enthusiastic poster. And 8 months later there isn't a single poster who isn't jumping for joy about the RoR trade. I feel Stamkos is the same way. There are quite a few who are against it, be it for cap reasons or the fact he isn't the same player. But if Murray can pull off a coup and add Stamkos I think everyone will end up loving the signing when at the end of the first year we have Eichel and Stamkos both with 40+ goals and 90+ points each leading the team in scoring with Reinhart and RoR behind them with 60+ points each as the Sabres are in the postseason as a top 3 divisional seed.
 

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I wonder who would be the best player(s) to play with Stamkos if he does hypothetically signs here.

Would an RoR-Eichel-Stamkos mega line be best? RoR chasing down and retrieving the puck for two studs who arguably 2 of the top 5 shots in the league?

Or what about a line like Kane-Stamkos-Reinhart? Stamkos can play center which is supposedly one of his demands/requests and he can have a cerebral super smart Reinhart on his wing telegraphing where he will be to feed Stammer some one timers/tap ins? And where Stamkos can control the puck in the zone and feed Kane some hit percentage shots? (Though I feel Eichel and Stamkos are very similiar especially in the facet of the game where he would not mesh with Kane at all).

I actually could see (don't laugh) Tyler Ennis being a GREAT component to a possible Stamkos line. Ennis is obviously a pass first guy but he still will end up with his 20 goals. Ennis can create some space with the puck drawing defenders while he maneuvers with the puck hopefully freeing up Stamkos for a one timer from the slot.

And of course whoever we draft this year will also play a big part in it. Imagine a Laine, Matthews or Puljujarvi on a line with Stamkos and Eichel? :drooool. I am actually pretty angry at Bob McKenzie for saying what he did. I know that there is a realistic 10% chance he comes here if he even makes it to free agency at all but damn, I am going to be hoping and praying for a Stamkos signing until the day he re-signs with Tampa prior to free agency or the minute he ends up signing with another team. The possibility of Buffalo signing Stamkos has me as excited as the portion of our fan base was here regarding the chance of Buffalo acquiring RoR. Some were all for it, some were totally against it, some were only for it if he ended up extending and some were against it depending on cost (trade and contract wise). I was in the latter, for the trade only if the cost was reasonable and the salary though admittedly I was not the most enthusiastic poster. And 8 months later there isn't a single poster who isn't jumping for joy about the RoR trade. I feel Stamkos is the same way. There are quite a few who are against it, be it for cap reasons or the fact he isn't the same player. But if Murray can pull off a coup and add Stamkos I think everyone will end up loving the signing when at the end of the first year we have Eichel and Stamkos both with 40+ goals and 90+ points each leading the team in scoring with Reinhart and RoR behind them with 60+ points each as the Sabres are in the postseason as a top 3 divisional seed.

Ennis is a dangle until he turns it over kind of guy. He has the ability to dish but was awful during his short stints on the ice this year.

Also, a key stat about Stamkos other than straight up goals/assists: he is 80th in the league in even strength scoring. Half his goals are from the man advantage. I'd rather not invest $10 mil+ for a guy who relies so heavily on PP chances to score. If Bylsma wasn't an idiot he'd cement Jack in the Ovi/Stammer spot for one timers in that situation already
 

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Trade Ennis for a LHD.....

Draft another with their 1st

If it's a top 3 pick do you still draft one or BPA?

Also, realistically, who can we get for Ennis?

And an optional question, how soon before Ghule is ready?
 
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