Speculation: Roster Speculation, 2018 Off-Season

[Jame]

Instead of Comeau what about Duclair? Everything else is perfect. If we can get Hutton, that's a big get IMO.

Comeau is a good hockey player

 

[Jame]

I'd have been thrilled with 11 and the 2 seconds.

All that cap space, a top flight wing to grow with the actual group in the future PLUS PLUS?

Are you kidding?

Go propose Wahlstron and 2 2s for RoR on the main board and see how hard they laugh at you.

Cap space for what? You’ve made it clear we can’t sign free agents...

 

[Dirty Dog]

He tried to

I got the impression the MaxPac side of the plan fell apart

Gotcha

 

[Shootica]

One year of Pacioretty is not worth pick 11 or 12, and I feel like word would have gotten out if he was negotiating a contract extension with the Isles. I'm taking that report with a hefty grain of salt.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Speed, can be signed cheap? What's the problem?

Limited production, leaving a third team by age 22. If he was a positive addition to a non-playoff team in Chicago and could be signed for cheap, don't you think they would be keeping him?

 

[Sabre the Win]

theScore app says other peices were involved but they have no idea what they were. The basis of the trade was Pac to Islanders, Islanders pick to Buffalo, ROR to Montreal with other peices involved.

Montreal better have a +++ on that 1st for ROR

 

[joshjull]

That sportsnet article doesn’t line up with the line of thinking that Botts is looking for a Mike Richards type of trade as a baseline

It doesn’t really line up with reporting over the weekend.

LA was in on MaxPac. But because he was looking to get a max extension before the trade it fell apart. LA then went back to Kovy and were willing to go to 3 years. This was playing out from Friday to Saturday. San Jose may or may not have been involved with an other attempt to get MaxPac and it supposedly fell apart for the same reasons as with LA. Much less confirmation on that one though.

Does anyone actually think Lou and the Isles were were in the middle of this mess that eventually led to MaxPac switching agents?

 

[sabrebuild]

He didn’t execute it...

The speculation in the article is that didn’t get executed because patches wouldn’t agree to an extension.

Edit: I see I was late.

 

[sabrebuild]

I'd have been thrilled with 11 and the 2 seconds.

All that cap space, a top flight wing to grow with the actual group in the future PLUS PLUS?

Are you kidding?

Go propose Wahlstron and 2 2s for RoR on the main board and see how hard they laugh at you.

C’mon. Take any credibility you want to have on this subject and shoot it into the moon. This flies in the face of every argument you have made.

 

[Jame]

Does anyone actually think Lou and the Isles were were in the middle of this mess that eventually led to MaxPac switching agents?

Considering that Lou has been doing everything possible to keep Tavares, and Tavares lack of a top winger for years has been a sore spot for the organization.... I think yes, he had to be "in" in one way or another.

But having 2 guys who could theoretically been top 5 on his board fall in his lap.... would change anyone's thought process.

 

[Jim Bob]

What I got out of that article is the Habs wouldn’t give up the 3rd but were hoping to trade MaxPac for a pick they could hopefully use to get ROR. But the trade of MaxPac didn’t work out. What the pick would have been and everything else after seems like pure speculation.

Sure, but the article did speculate on a package of picks and not any players or prospects like Mete.

The article didn't paint a great picture about what Montreal was offering back as they had no interest in trading the 3rd overall pick for O'Reilly.

I think it was wishful thinking from those that want to see O'Reilly traded but are afraid that Botterill might have moved him for a handful of picks and that's it.

Only time will tell if O'Reilly is moved what comes back.

Personally, this article isn't giving me confidence that they will improve the team over the next year or two if they move O'Reilly.

It may be a step back in the short term with the hope that picks turn into players down the road.

 

[sabrebuild]

Does anyone actually think Lou and the Isles were were in the middle of this mess that eventually led to MaxPac switching agents?

Why would he not be?

 

[OkimLom]

Would people here be ok with Dobson/Wahlstrom, Mete/Danault, two 2nds? I'm assuming that is what would have to be offered by MTL if they're retaining their lottery pick.

The trade fell apart because of the way the draft happened. If the draft goes down the way the mock drafts went, then we aren't picking one of Dobson or Wahlstrom. If the draft goes down with one of them reaching the #10 spot, then they are picking that one and we would get the #11 pick. It's very apparent Lou valued grabbing at least one of the top 10 talents, but it fell apart when he was presented with 2 top 10 picks. You're looking at picking someone from a tier below, and then the 2 2nds. I doubt Mete/Danault would be up for trade availability, otherwise they would be used in a trade package instead of getting a 1st.

I'd have been thrilled with 11 and the 2 seconds.

All that cap space, a top flight wing to grow with the actual group in the future PLUS PLUS?

Are you kidding?

Go propose Wahlstron and 2 2s for RoR on the main board and see how hard they laugh at you.

Wahlstrom would not be the player selected by Buffalo. The reason the trade didn't go down is BECAUSE Wahlstrom was available. ​

 

[Shootica]

It doesn’t really line up with reporting over the weekend.

LA was in on MaxPac. But because he was looking to get a max extension before the trade it fell apart. LA then went back to Kovy and were willing to go to 3 years. This was playing out from Friday to Saturday. San Jose may or may not have been involved with an other attempt to get MaxPac and it supposedly fell apart for the same reasons as with LA. Much less confirmation on that one though.

Does anyone actually think Lou and the Isles were were in the middle of this mess that eventually led to MaxPac switching agents?

It doesn't make any sense for the Islanders either. LW is probably their strongest position, they have no need for Patches especially at that price.

The more I read this article, the more it sounds like Montreal leaked some information to improve Bergevin's image.

 

[sincerity0]

The Athletic reported that Devan Dubnyk was asked to update his 12 team NTC. Assuming Buffalo isn’t on this list, is there any interest there if we miss out on Hutton/Bernier? 32 and has a $4.33m hit for the next 3 years.

 

[Sabre the Win]

The Athletic reported that Devan Dubnyk was asked to update his 12 team NTC. Assuming Buffalo isn’t on this list, is there any interest there if we miss out on Hutton/Bernier? 32 and has a $4.33m hit for the next 3 years.

Yes.

 

[Icicle]

The takes here are hilarious. All we know is that Botterill DIDN'T take some deal that wasn't good enough, written from some Canada homering website that painting some steal that he missed out on because of two leaps of speculation, is enough to be a criticism of how cheap Botterill is? geez-- anything flies. The guy's only trades are an absolute steal for Scandella, a 5th for Wilson, and a 6th for a 6th, and somehow Botterill is some cheap no-good GM..

 

[sabrebuild]

The trade fell apart because of the way the draft happened. If the draft goes down the way the mock drafts went, then we aren't picking one of Dobson or Wahlstrom. If the draft goes down with one of them reaching the #10 spot, then they are picking that one and we would get the #11 pick. It's very apparent Lou valued grabbing at least one of the top 10 talents, but it fell apart when he was presented with 2 top 10 picks. You're looking at picking someone from a tier below, and then the 2 2nds. I doubt Mete/Danault would be up for trade availability, otherwise they would be used in a trade package instead of getting a 1st.

Wahlstrom would not be the player selected by Buffalo. The reason the trade didn't go down is BECAUSE Wahlstrom was available. ​

Let’s suppose that Wahlstrom is the pick available. Even then the trade breaks down to a whole lot of lottery.

I mean if Wahlstrom actually turns into a scoring winger version of O’Reilly, league value wise, that would be a home run in the land of a Pasta or Connor pick. Super rare.

Giving up an all star player, under contract, with 4-5 good years left, for meh lottery tickets is bananas.

 

[sabrebuild]

The takes here are hilarious. All we know is that Botterill DIDN'T take some deal that wasn't good enough, written from some Canada homering website that painting some steal that he missed out on because of two leaps of speculation, is enough to be a criticism of how cheap Botterill is? geez-- anything flies. The guy's only trades are an absolute steal for Scandella, a 5th for Wilson, and a 6th for a 6th, and somehow Botterill is some cheap no-good GM..

Nobody is shitting on Botts for theoretically talking about this deal.

The bones are concerning, but whatever.

People are shitting on the fact that certain posters here are in favor of such a poo poo platter.

 

[Reddawg]

The Athletic reported that Devan Dubnyk was asked to update his 12 team NTC. Assuming Buffalo isn’t on this list, is there any interest there if we miss out on Hutton/Bernier? 32 and has a $4.33m hit for the next 3 years.

Super interested.

 

[1972]

What a toxic wasteland this place is these days. Used to to be good. Everyone's so butt hurt that they gotta be right over every little thing it just turns into a shit show in every thread lol.

 

[joshjull]

The Athletic reported that Devan Dubnyk was asked to update his 12 team NTC. Assuming Buffalo isn’t on this list, is there any interest there if we miss out on Hutton/Bernier? 32 and has a $4.33m hit for the next 3 years.

I’d be interested but would he be interested in us?

 

[OkimLom]

Let’s suppose that Wahlstrom is the pick available. Even then the trade breaks down to a whole lot of lottery.

I mean if Wahlstrom actually turns into a scoring winger version of O’Reilly, league value wise, that would be a home run in the land of a Pasta or Connor pick. Super rare.

Giving up an all star player, under contract, with 4-5 good years left, for meh lottery tickets is bananas.

For me, I don't mind the 1st pick, and if it turned into Wahlstrom, then great. I don't mind that piece, but that's not a piece that drives me to trade ROR for. I want/need more from Montreal.

 

[sabrebuild]

For me, I don't mind the 1st pick, and if it turned into Wahlstrom, then great. I don't mind that piece, but that's not a piece that drives me to trade ROR for. I want/need more from Montreal.

Oh I’m not against that pick as a piece. But then something bigger needs to come with it, not a couple of 2nds

 

[OkimLom]

The takes here are hilarious. All we know is that Botterill DIDN'T take some deal that wasn't good enough, written from some Canada homering website that painting some steal that he missed out on because of two leaps of speculation, is enough to be a criticism of how cheap Botterill is? geez-- anything flies. The guy's only trades are an absolute steal for Scandella, a 5th for Wilson, and a 6th for a 6th, and somehow Botterill is some cheap no-good GM..

3rd for Beaulieu
Kane for San Jose choice of 1st or 2nd round pick + Draft pick + O'Regan

The guy's only trades are an absolute steal for Scandella, a 5th for Wilson, and a 6th for a 6th, and somehow Botterill is some cheap no-good GM..

Absolute "steal" for Scandella - loved the trade, but he created two holes that he didn't fill.

Traded a 5th for Wilson - Would've liked to see more of these moves during the year, but the result of this trade could end up as a nothing trade. We could see Wilson walk, after playing a throwaway year. Potentially could feel like an asset thrown away.

a 6th for a 6th - A 6th this year for what will probably be a later 6th round pick next year, without getting another asset. It's really a nothing trade, that people complain about because, it really makes no sense to make this move. If there's someone you like in the 6th round next year, then make the trade next year. You lost an asset in this draft for no reason. it just looks bad.

There's just not enough to go on to determine what kind of GM he is, but that goes for both ways. There's not enough evidence to show me whether I should trust him and his judgement in trades/drafts or not.