Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Chardo]

Another day of Isles dumpster diving while the Rangers acquire another star.

 

[xECK29x]

We should trade for Peterson, van is weak right now

 

[Isles72]

Plus they have 3 of them. We can pull a fast one, confuse them, and get the best one. I know Lou can do it!

I pictured the Price is right Shell game with Lou playing the part of Bob Barker

 

[Big L]

I’m a bit surprised at this. Aren’t these supposed to be grown men doing a job for lots of money? Like STFU and get to work. You don’t have to like each other but you have to work together.

 

[IslesNorway]

I’m a bit surprised at this. Aren’t these supposed to be grown men doing a job for lots of money? Like STFU and get to work. You don’t have to like each other but you have to work together.

Professional athletes are often babies, living sheltered lives far removed from reality. They are basically only preoccupied with themselves.

 

[PK Cronin]

This shows me the Isles are better defensively with Barzal in the lineup.

Yep, that's true, but the goal differential is more positive when he's not.

 

[Konk]

Yep, that's true, but the goal differential is more positive when he's not.

What's the wins/losses with him in the lineup vs. without? I'm surprised you left those numbers out since you had already made all of that effort!

I'd bet they win more with him than without, which is the most important metric of all.

 

[The Real JT]

Ok I just did the homework.

Barzal missed 21 games.

In those games this is the Isles record:
8 regulation wins
7 regulation losses
1 shootout win
4 OT losses
1 shootout loss

Using the NHL method this is their record:
9W 7L 4OTL

That’s pretty similar to their overall record. It’s a small sample size, but they did worse in overtime without him. Sort of makes sense given the lack of speed with the rest of our team. 4 on 4 OT is also not real hockey and doesn’t exist in the playoff world but if you’re a bubble team those things count just so you get to the dance.

 

[impaaaaaact]

 

[Arsenalogist24]

I believe it. Center depth always a premium. JGP is another playoff performer

 

[doublechili]

A couple of things about that:

1. as any regular member of these boards knows, JGP being in demand is not possible. I guess what Botta means is that the Isles may only have to attach a 2nd round pick to move him, not a 1st;

2. that's one badly constructed sentence.

 

[doublechili]

BTW, if the Isles traded a 1st for Miller, I'm sure the reaction on this board would be... mixed.

Now would this be considered a "retool" move by the NYR? Didn't they just "rebuild" a few years ago? Here are their top forwards, FWIW:

Panarin 33 years old
Zibanejad 31
Miller 31
Kreider 33
Trocheck 31
Lafreniere 23 ("the rebuild")

 

[impaaaaaact]

Varly to Robidas Island

 

[MJF]

Varly to Robidas Island

Time to trade for an NHL goalie.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Time to trade for an NHL goalie.

I’m sure one will pop up on waivers sooner or later

 

[Arsenalogist24]

Varly to Robidas Island

Those Lou contracts are proving to be every bit of awful as we complained about

 

[Arsenalogist24]

Hogberg out 4 weeks
Lou says expects Pulock and Dobson to skate during 4 nations break

 

[Lek]

BTW, if the Isles traded a 1st for Miller, I'm sure the reaction on this board would be... mixed.

Now would this be considered a "retool" move by the NYR? Didn't they just "rebuild" a few years ago? Here are their top forwards, FWIW:

Panarin 33 years old
Zibanejad 31
Miller 31
Kreider 33
Trocheck 31
Lafreniere 23 ("the rebuild")

Miller move is a desperate all in move for this year...maybe next.

 

[The Real JT]

BTW, if the Isles traded a 1st for Miller, I'm sure the reaction on this board would be... mixed.

Now would this be considered a "retool" move by the NYR? Didn't they just "rebuild" a few years ago? Here are their top forwards, FWIW:

Panarin 33 years old
Zibanejad 31
Miller 31
Kreider 33
Trocheck 31
Lafreniere 23 ("the rebuild")

I like the Miller trade for the Rags. I say that as a Rags hater and for the reason you listed. Miller makes them better right now but he may be a locker room problem and his contract might not age well.

Chytil, while one injury away from retirement, was a good player for them and lifted the games of guys around him.

What worries me is that somehow, like we’ve seen before, the Rags find a way to send Zibs and Kreider packing and receive assets back in return.

 

[PK Cronin]

What's the wins/losses with him in the lineup vs. without? I'm surprised you left those numbers out since you had already made all of that effort!

I'd bet they win more with him than without, which is the most important metric of all.

The table was because of a specific conversation that was talking about scoring so I didn't include it. I can go back and do it later if I have time (and someone else didn't already do it).

 

[Chockey22]

Miller move is a desperate all in move for this year...maybe next.

I agree, their core is old and they are going for it while they think they are still contenders. They’re essentially doing what most posters here dont want the Isles to do - double down on a mediocre roster.

 

[mm11]

Thing with the rags. Retooling comes easy with their competitive advantages. Not complaining but facts my brothers.

 

[Konk]

The table was because of a specific conversation that was talking about scoring so I didn't include it. I can go back and do it later if I have time (and someone else didn't already do it).

Nah, it's ok... it's not worth the effort.

Just say I'm probably right and we'll move on.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Granlund to Stars. Winning streak may have f***ed up our chances at getting anything for Nelson

 

[Chockey22]

The table was because of a specific conversation that was talking about scoring so I didn't include it. I can go back and do it later if I have time (and someone else didn't already do it).

I don’t think you need to bother - the Isles record with Barzal is slightly better than without. This year the Isles are 14-15 with Barzal (including OT losses), and 9-12 without him. While W/L record with certain players is not particularly useful to assess the value of a player, this record comparison should at least put in serious doubt the idea that the Isles are better without Barzal than with him, which quite frankly, is a ridiculous position to take.

Nah, it's ok... it's not worth the effort.

Just say I'm probably right and we'll move on.

If your view is that the Isles are better without Barzal, then you are certainly not right. But probably best to move on.