“He’s a very flawed player”
He’s also a Calder winner and a point per game player when the system he’s playing suits his playing style well.
You're cherry picking things, again. He's a point per game player when playing the system that suits his playing style? He's been in the NHL since 2017-18 and he's been a point per game player exactly once, his first season. How good was that team again? If the playing style required is the Doug Weight offense then it's very clear we should be moving on from him.
Also, you liked to mention outliers the last time we were chatting and that first season sure seems like an outlier.
You just move goalposts and make amorphous posts so you're never wrong and you don't engage with actual facts.
There are no flawless players playing the game today but to constantly zero in on aspects of his game that you don’t like and ignoring all the points he racks up and how much he elevates other players game like Horvats is being disingenuous and it’s tiring to read. He’s also quite underrated defensively and there is no doubt he has improved that aspect of his game.
There are no flawless players, that's true but there are better players and/or better players that fit with this particular team and the style they want to play. Once again, you're providing no information for how and when he's elevating these other players while I provided a very detailed table demonstrating the net negative value he has on the team when he's playing compared to when he's not. I wasn't looking for that information because I want Barzal to be bad, I was looking because you (and others) kept asserting that the opposite was true. It turns out that opinion is wrong, unless you want to adjust for these short spurts where he's playing very well.
I do agree that the defensive side of his game is something he's improved upon over his time.
When I read these posts I just see a bunch of fans who view Barzal through a distorted lens that allows them to see only the 1 bad decision he makes in a game and ignore the 10 other fabulous plays he makes otherwise.
I've broken down specific plays where I think he's made boneheaded decisions, I've also highlighted his great ones. He's a tremendous talent, but that hasn't translated into success for him or the team over a long period of time. He needs a very specific type of linemate in order to have success and is exceptional in exactly one area (maybe two if we're counting takeaways?). Everything else is just good or average. He isn't some generational talent. He's gotten better at playing a complete game over the years, more north south. Unfortunately, that hasn't been enough for this team.
You know if you kept your emotions out of it we probably would see a lot more eye to eye. I imagine all my posts appear outrageous to you and a “dishonest” argument to you. Perhaps it’s not me. I’m just an Islander fan trying to make sense of things. And though I will not take back the majority of my past arguments with you because as you can see for yourself I was right all along I will not play this game to make this a fight when there is no fight intended. There are plenty of other posters here making nonsensical arguments daily but if the argument agrees with yours…. Well we all know how that goes.
You don't present any information when there's a disagreement, you just do the vague posting. It's insanity that you think you were "right all along" when there are 7 seasons before this one that demonstrate my position perfectly, and even this season the player you're claiming to be right about in being this force on the ice has a whopping 19 points in 28 games, with just 6 goals. If this is it, boy are we in trouble.
Go ahead, nitpick coaches and linemates and playing styles to justify your insatiable need to propel Barzal into the elite tier of NHLers.
And how does it go if I disagree with someone's arguments? I've posted GDTs and not much else the entirety of this season. You're still doing the same schtick, just to other people.
Yes exactly and I’m someone trained in advanced statistics.
And somehow providing any statistics, advanced or otherwise, has yet to happen in any of your posts and you refuse to tackle any arguments.
And to be perfectly clear, you can win with Barzal on your roster. You cannot win with Barzal as the most important player on your roster. He's a #2 or #3 piece who will excel way more if there are players ahead of him on the depth chart.
I'll go back to not posting, no worries.
. Good points. At one point I thought having both would be a good idea until I looked at his contract. And I thought to myself why is a man who just signed a $92m contract at the center of any controversy regardless of who is at fault and dragging the rest of the team down.
