Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

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An aside, I’ve been watching this team religiously and have, as known to some of you - been active in that past with blogs/podcasts and had a press pass for a decade.

This is honestly the least interested in hockey I’ve been in a long time.

Staple hit the nail on the head too.

This is what Lou's uninspired and franchise-bleeding GMing style has led to. Some of the most diehard and longterm Isles fans are losing interest.

Almost anything would have been exciting coming off of wang's 20 year ownership embarrassment. To land the greatest coach of the past 20 years was beyond expectations - And that's why the team exceeded expectations for a few seasons.
But Trotz is long gone and now ou is exposed for the honestly subpar GM that he is. New leadership is needed like yesterday.

Top 2 Landing Spots for Jean-Gabriel Pageau (and Anders Lee): Dallas and Washington
When it comes to shedding bigger cap hits, getting younger, and restocking the prospect pool while adding picks, the Islanders must avoid setting themselves on a prolonged rebuild. Dumping Lee and Pageau (JGP) while retaining their salaries only to receive a second-round pick in return is not a worthwhile move. This is especially true for a team that often overspends on mid-tier options—targeting players like Jonathan Marchessault but ending up with someone like Anthony Duclair. If the goal is to maximize assets and manage them effectively, Lee and Pageau will likely hold more value at the 2026 Trade Deadline (TDL).

If a move happens this season, Washington and Dallas are the only contenders that align for a trade. Both can absorb the cap, have a role JGP can fill, and offer something the Islanders could use in return—more on Lee Later.

Washington Capitals: A Model for Retooling
Washington provides an excellent example of how to retool on the fly. Despite several mediocre seasons marked by aging players, injuries, and hefty contracts, they’ve made savvy moves, such as signing Dylan Strome, trading for Rasmus Sandin, and acquiring players like Pierre-Luc Dubois (PDL) and Andrew Mangiapane. Their trades for Jakob Chychrun (for a third-round pick and Jensen) and strategic free-agent signings like Roy demonstrate a smart approach.

Washington also boasts one of the NHL’s top 10 prospect pools, featuring talents like Leonard, Miroshnichenko, Cristall, Hutson, Parascak, Protas, Iorio, Chesley, Lapierre, and Muggli. Their top five prospects are elite.

Washington is one of the few teams capable of absorbing JGP’s cap hit. Adding Pageau would give them another strong option at center and a right-handed face-off specialist. This move could shift Lars Eller to LW and Mangiapane to RW, optimizing their lineup. Pageau could command a package similar to Kyle Palmieri’s, potentially including a second-round pick and a prospect like Vincent Iorio. Retaining 50% of JGP’s salary would increase his trade value, but the Islanders need to remain competitive next year, and JGP can help achieve that.

Dallas Stars: An Intriguing Fit
Dallas could offer a prospect like Emil Hemming or a second-round pick, depending on salary retention. For the Islanders, it’s essential to get tangible value for JGP—this shouldn’t be treated as a cap-dumping scenario. If other teams approach with lowball offers, the Islanders should decline and retain JGP. He remains an asset to the team.

Anders Lee’s Trade Value
Trading Lee might require retaining 50% of his cap hit, but what would the return look like? If it’s a B-level prospect and a second-round pick, the Islanders should decline. Lee’s contributions on the ice and in the locker room justify keeping him if the return isn’t worthwhile. Additionally, with the salary cap expected to rise to at least $92.5 million—and potentially as high as $95-96 million pending a new CBA—the Islanders may have more flexibility next season.

Final Thoughts
If by January the Islanders trade Nelson to Dallas for a 2025 first-round pick and Bourque, and Palmieri to Washington for a 2025 first-round pick, they could then wait for the TDL market to develop and evolve. Injuries to Stanley Cup contenders could shift the landscape, increasing the value of players like JGP, Lee and others, like Cizikas and Varlamov.

If a team offers a first-round pick for JGP (50% retained), the Islanders should act. Otherwise, keeping JGP and reassessing his market in the offseason or at next year’s deadline might be the smarter play. Without Nelson and Palmieri, the Islanders’ tough schedule leading up to February could further push them down the standings, improving their draft lottery odds, which will be the focus of my next blog post, The Importance of James Hagens


Your posts like this are to be commended. So much time, dedication, and thought put into them. I don't always agree with all, but I understand why you wrote them. Most importantly you want this team to succeed, and unlike too many fans who just spout out the most ridiculous ideas no based in reality, yours could actually happen.

Wouldn't mind an Evander Kane for Adam Pelech deal.

Didn't realize his injuries and how it's not going well. But I could see a connection of Pelech moving and EDM trying for him.

It will never happen, but can we focus on adding young talent with character? I'd rather add the next Casey Cizikas than the next Josh Ho-Sang.
 
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An aside, I’ve been watching this team religiously and have, as known to some of you - been active in that past with blogs/podcasts and had a press pass for a decade.

This is honestly the least interested in hockey I’ve been in a long time.


Staple hit the nail on the head too.
This 1,000% - I can't tell you the last time I watched a game. Maybe November?

Coming off last season where I probably watched 50-60.
 
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Almost anything would have been exciting coming off of wang's 20 year ownership embarrassment. To land the greatest coach of the past 20 years was beyond expectations - And that's why the team exceeded expectations for a few seasons.

In the last 20 years? Quenneville has 3 Cups, Sullivan, Cooper and Sutter have 2 each, all in the last 15 years.

Unless you are talking about Isles coaches only . . .
 

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The answer would be no.

Attention should be on Nelson at 50% retained for Ritchie + 2025 2nd
This is a No for me. Nelson will net us a 1st and a good prospect from Dallas or the Wild. Hearing they are really hot for him, already inquiring about his availability
 
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This is a No for me. Nelson will net us a 1st and a good prospect from Dallas or the Wild. Hearing they are really hot for him, already inquiring about his availability
Minny doesn't have a first.

Right now - if Lou could land Mavrik Bourque and Dallas' 2025 1st that is a good start to the TDL. Then move on to Palmieri - hoping then for another 1st.
 

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12 shots. No goals again halfway through the game. We were better without Barzal duclair and Pelech.

Pelech crying about George hit and doing nothing is this team in a nutshell.
 
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Top 2 Landing Spots for Jean-Gabriel Pageau (and Anders Lee): Dallas and Washington
When it comes to shedding bigger cap hits, getting younger, and restocking the prospect pool while adding picks, the Islanders must avoid setting themselves on a prolonged rebuild. Dumping Lee and Pageau (JGP) while retaining their salaries only to receive a second-round pick in return is not a worthwhile move. This is especially true for a team that often overspends on mid-tier options—targeting players like Jonathan Marchessault but ending up with someone like Anthony Duclair. If the goal is to maximize assets and manage them effectively, Lee and Pageau will likely hold more value at the 2026 Trade Deadline (TDL).

If a move happens this season, Washington and Dallas are the only contenders that align for a trade. Both can absorb the cap, have a role JGP can fill, and offer something the Islanders could use in return—more on Lee Later.

Washington Capitals: A Model for Retooling
Washington provides an excellent example of how to retool on the fly. Despite several mediocre seasons marked by aging players, injuries, and hefty contracts, they’ve made savvy moves, such as signing Dylan Strome, trading for Rasmus Sandin, and acquiring players like Pierre-Luc Dubois (PDL) and Andrew Mangiapane. Their trades for Jakob Chychrun (for a third-round pick and Jensen) and strategic free-agent signings like Roy demonstrate a smart approach.

Washington also boasts one of the NHL’s top 10 prospect pools, featuring talents like Leonard, Miroshnichenko, Cristall, Hutson, Parascak, Protas, Iorio, Chesley, Lapierre, and Muggli. Their top five prospects are elite.

Washington is one of the few teams capable of absorbing JGP’s cap hit. Adding Pageau would give them another strong option at center and a right-handed face-off specialist. This move could shift Lars Eller to LW and Mangiapane to RW, optimizing their lineup. Pageau could command a package similar to Kyle Palmieri’s, potentially including a second-round pick and a prospect like Vincent Iorio. Retaining 50% of JGP’s salary would increase his trade value, but the Islanders need to remain competitive next year, and JGP can help achieve that.

Dallas Stars: An Intriguing Fit
Dallas could offer a prospect like Emil Hemming or a second-round pick, depending on salary retention. For the Islanders, it’s essential to get tangible value for JGP—this shouldn’t be treated as a cap-dumping scenario. If other teams approach with lowball offers, the Islanders should decline and retain JGP. He remains an asset to the team.

Anders Lee’s Trade Value
Trading Lee might require retaining 50% of his cap hit, but what would the return look like? If it’s a B-level prospect and a second-round pick, the Islanders should decline. Lee’s contributions on the ice and in the locker room justify keeping him if the return isn’t worthwhile. Additionally, with the salary cap expected to rise to at least $92.5 million—and potentially as high as $95-96 million pending a new CBA—the Islanders may have more flexibility next season.

Final Thoughts
If by January the Islanders trade Nelson to Dallas for a 2025 first-round pick and Bourque, and Palmieri to Washington for a 2025 first-round pick, they could then wait for the TDL market to develop and evolve. Injuries to Stanley Cup contenders could shift the landscape, increasing the value of players like JGP, Lee and others, like Cizikas and Varlamov.

If a team offers a first-round pick for JGP (50% retained), the Islanders should act. Otherwise, keeping JGP and reassessing his market in the offseason or at next year’s deadline might be the smarter play. Without Nelson and Palmieri, the Islanders’ tough schedule leading up to February could further push them down the standings, improving their draft lottery odds, which will be the focus of my next blog post, The Importance of James Hagens
Thank you for putting this together. I’ve been here a long time and don’t post much but read it all. SI, you always provide great viewpoints. Should work for the Athletic!
 
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If we go by win % the Isles would have the 5th overall pick as of right now.

They also have the WORST PK % IN THE HISTORY OF THE NHL (by 5% by the way)

Those who want to keep Lou and/or promote Roy have totally lost the plot.
 

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Minny doesn't have a first.

Right now - if Lou could land Mavrik Bourque and Dallas' 2025 1st that is a good start to the TDL. Then move on to Palmieri - hoping then for another 1st.
I appreciate your optimism, but I’ll be amazed if Nelson returns that kind of value. Maybe if he turns it on over the next 20 games, but at his current pace, we should be prepared for a Vanek-like return, for those who went through that agonizing debacle.
 

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I hope Lou doesn’t wait too long before moving Nelson, we might be looking at having to add something to get a deal done lol..

A few things that would concern me, one for injury possibilities , two would be declining value if things don’t change
 

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Do people who are projecting Nelson to go for a first a good prospect still think that after his career-worst slump? Asking in good faith.
 

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I hope Lou doesn’t wait too long before moving Nelson, we might be looking at having to add something to get a deal done lol..

A few things that would concern me, one for injury possibilities , two would be declining value if things don’t change
Brock is not an injury risk - he has the iron man streak because he’s always on the perimeter. You’d have to be involved to risk injury. I guess there’s always a freak chance of injury, but it certainly won’t be from him physically engaging
 
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Time to send Nelson, Palmieri and Lee on their way. Thanks for the memories fellas but the organization needs to do what's best for the long-term outlook. Wait until the offseason for the new GM to evaluate the D-Core, which needs to be shaken up. Isles have assets to get picks and/or young talent in return. Ownership must tell Lou it needs to be done.
 

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If we go by win % the Isles would have the 5th overall pick as of right now.

They also have the WORST PK % IN THE HISTORY OF THE NHL (by 5% by the way)

Those who want to keep Lou and/or promote Roy have totally lost the plot.
Even though we are all here killing Lou, Ownership, Roy and the players. This is the BEST thing for the isles and this organization! We need to bottom out hard to finally get ownership to finally make the necessary changes from the top on down. So I agree, very frustrating to watch day after day. But we have to look beyone this debacle and look forward to change and a fresh start.

Even with this clueless ownership, no one is going to survive (mgmt.) after this type of season. Not when we are going to re-write the records for the worst special teams in NHL history. And a f***ing coach who know we sucked at this, admits he didn't spend enough time on this before the season started??? LOL, that comment alone should have Roy fired in my eyes.
 
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Do people who are projecting Nelson to go for a first a good prospect still think that after his career-worst slump? Asking in good faith.
It’s a what have you done for me lately league, but he scored 100 goals in the three seasons before this and the entire team is struggling. A couple goals at the 4 nations tournament and his perception will snap right back. He’s at least bringing back a first - probably with a fourth or a c prospect.
 
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3 wins in last 10 games. Allowed 37 goals over this stretch iffin my math is correct.
Yep, Sorokin has fallen off. He seems to have a mental thing.

When Trotz was here, he’d see 25 shots a game and just a couple of those would be high danger. He’d always seem to know where they were coming from and could prepare. Now the defense is Swiss cheese and he needs to be prepared for 4 things at every moment. He can athlete his way out of some of it but he’s been letting in some soft goals for sure.

It’s interesting to note that he looked amazing coming off of the surgery and while the team was healthy. Then the entire defense gets injured and he’s facing 38 shots every game. THEN Varlamov gets injured and he has to play 12 games straight.

We now have two instances of that to look back on, and he does not thrive in that situation. No matter who the backup is you gotta rest him every 3 games or so. Whether it’s mental or physical, something gets off with his game and he struggles to get it back.
 
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Time to send Nelson, Palmieri and Lee on their way. Thanks for the memories fellas but the organization needs to do what's best for the long-term outlook. Wait until the offseason for the new GM to evaluate the D-Core, which needs to be shaken up. Isles have assets to get picks and/or young talent in return. Ownership must tell Lou it needs to be done.
Lee will be attractive to someone in the offseason if he remains on his pace of 30+ goals and 65 points. I think he looks better than he ever has this season. So much so that it’s tempting to want to keep him. But he’ll be 35 next season in need of a new contract - a similar situation to Nelson this year.

Trading your captain is also a good way to refresh the room. They’ll potentially be without 3 or 4 of the older voices at the beginning of next season in Nelson, Palmieri, Lee and Pageau. I’m not sure how they replace that production… and maybe you embrace that you can’t and use the year to retool.

If you head in with that mindset, you can retain for the year on one of Lee or Pageau to maximize the return. Hopefully we can restock our prospect pool while creating jobs for Eiserman, Nelson and Jefferies to fight for.
 

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