Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[leeroggy]

As a coach, if you don’t have the parts you want, then you use the parts you have to the maximum you can. I don’t think Roy has done that. At all. Barry took chicken shit and made chicken salad. Roy has taken chicken shit and made dog shit. I find it difficult to make the leap that somehow that makes him qualified to be a GM.

But as GM, Trotz has taken chicken salad and turned it into chicken shit
The Nashville posters are ready to draw and quarter him

 

[Big L]

But as GM, Trotz has taken chicken salad and turned it into chicken shit
The Nashville posters are ready to draw and quarter him

By that logic, Roy should be a great GM. You win.

 

[Top Corner]

As a coach, if you don’t have the parts you want, then you use the parts you have to the maximum you can. I don’t think Roy has done that. At all. Barry took chicken shit and made chicken salad. Roy has taken chicken shit and made dog shit. I find it difficult to make the leap that somehow that makes him qualified to be a GM.

Roy has had an injury riddled team all year, if I recall when Trotz had the same injury issues, his record sucked as well and led to his removal end of season

 

[YearlyLottery]

Total respect to this post. Appreciate a lot of your points...




I will definitely give Roy SOMEWHAT of a pass given this terrible roster Lou has saddled him (and us all with). But last in the entire league in PP and PK (and not just last, but historically low numbers)? Guys not giving 100%? Lots of giveaways and guys out of position?

No way it's this bad if Trotz is still coach.

I mean if you're almost blackballed from the NHL and finally get another shot like Roy just did...This is the job you do? It's bad bad - Not just "Lou gave me a bad roster" bad.

If the guys were just in correct positions and playing hard I could get a little more excited, but the 7-1 defeat at home to the Sabres is a microcosm of the coaching job Roy has done. You shouldn't lose 7-1 to any team in the league - Much less one who hadn't won in weeks.

Roy might be a decent GM one day, but right now not going to reward a guy who is failing at his current job. I think that's a horrible precedent to set.




I mean we can try a "retread" (athough that name alone has such lackluster connotations), but I haven't seen one suggested that I can get excited about.

McPhee was a joke in Washington (anyone remember Erat for Foresberg), and got handed a dream situation in Vegas. Honestly tons of average GMs would've had success with just picking the best players available from each expansion list or taking picks/prospects to not take a certain prospect.

To me I just don't want any GM who's been out of the league for more than 1 season. I like the idea that anyone we hire has been working non-stop the last few years so they are both experienced and up on all the data/league talk/etc.




Not for a second do I think that analytics should be the driving force in decision making, but I'm just saying it should be in the pool of things that help guide organizational decisions.

Believe me if I had only one thing that I would prioritize it would be SCOUTING. I would kill for a President/GM who tries to create the best scouting department in the NHL. That alone would boost this team's chances of winning the most. Lord knows that many average coaches have won a Cup when standing behind the bench of a very talented team.





Not sure what you mean by "compete," but this current roster could not compete for a Cup no matter who was behind the bench. And I'm only interested in competing for Cups. Not trying to make the playoffs as an 8 seed and get bounced in 6 games. We've done that plenty already.




100% agree on this. Resigning either or both, or letting them walk for nothing, are both GM malpractice.

I think as you dived into your points further I agree with much of this. I also look at Roy more along the lines of he has gotten the best season out of this roster compared to the last year of Trotz, Lambert, and then Roy took over and had this team rolling into the postseason.

The problem is this is our third coach and the best we have gotten with any of the three out of the last four seasons is a first round knockout.

I think Roy can help build a culture but he needs more talent on the roster. I understand your worries about his readiness to be the GM of this organization though.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Amen brother. If Lou was doing a good job then we wouldn't be discussing replacing him. And since we are I'd like to distance ourselves as much as possible from him, which means getting rid of the people he appointed.

Oh and then there's this...

As head coach, Patrick Roy has a WORSE winning % than Lane Lambert.

That's a guy you want to PROMOTE...? To a job he has ZERO EXPERIENCE at? What are we even doing around here? Do we want to win or just always keep familiar faces around? Jesus.

Roy might be a better GM. He is not a good coach.

I think the jury is still out on Roy as a coach - it still hasn’t even been a full season, and for a majority of his tenure here a good amount of impact players have been injured at the same time.

When the team has been healthy they’ve dominated the 5v5 play - we saw that again tonight where they scored 6 (should have been 7) 5v5 goals. The obvious issue is the special teams and I’m honestly clueless on how that gets fixed without an entire training camp with new systems.

With the resurgence of Lee and Pageau, the most glaring issues on this team personnel-wise have become Pelech and Pulock. They just don’t got it anymore, and are probably both replacement level players being paid as #2 defensemen and signed until the end of time. Combine that with Dobson and Romanov disappointing and it’s actually our defense that’s our weakest link right now. Not sure how we fix that either tbh

 

[periferal]

I disagree, the team has not had the results.

But I like how their approach and system - I certainly question the roster he has been given.

ROY is a champion, a winner, a legend and knows the game of hockey.
He is not someone, who turns away from the data and analytics and is an old school guy.

You may feel differently and that is OK - I like Patrick Roy and think he would make an excellent GM.

I see literally no evidence that Roy would be a good GM - Much less excellent one. Maybe he will be good, but my god I don't want to appoint the most important role on the team to a guy with zero experience at it just because you "like" him.

Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan - The best players at their respective sports in history. Beyond "legends" and I'd say "know the game" inside and out.

Yet - Abysmal when it came to working in coaching/management/ownership.

Heck - Even Mike Milbury and Garth Snow were better players than they were GMs. How's "all world character guy" Chris Drury doing right now? Even the best coach in the world over the past decade - Our beloved Barry Trotz - Is looking pretty bad thus far as GM - And I'd still take him 100 times out of 100 over Roy.

I just don't think we'd even be discussing Roy if he wasn't already in the organization. And who brought him in - They guy we're trying to get rid of.

For that alone I'd like to start with a clean slate.

 

[Rehabguy]

I disagree, the team has not had the results.

But I like how their approach and system - I certainly question the roster he has been given.

ROY is a champion, a winner, a legend and knows the game of hockey.
He is not someone, who turns away from the data and analytics and is an old school guy.

You may feel differently and that is OK - I like Patrick Roy and think he would make an excellent GM.

Not only that he makes a great coach. Given the catastrophic injuries this team has gone through this year I’m surprised they still have a shot at turning this around. Loved how he addressed the fans at practice. Love how he sits Engvall contract be damned. Roy lives the life as a winner; not a loser as all his amazing accomplishments prove. He’s a true believer in meritocracy. If I’m not mistaken didn’t every single player on this teams GAA improve during 5v5 play? And that while introducing a more exciting brand of hockey. We should have had this guy 6 years ago when Snows roster was still young and yet to be Lamiorelloed.

 

[Rehabguy]

As a coach, if you don’t have the parts you want, then you use the parts you have to the maximum you can. I don’t think Roy has done that. At all. Barry took chicken shit and made chicken salad. Roy has taken chicken shit and made dog shit. I find it difficult to make the leap that somehow that makes him qualified to be a GM.

I know I’m in the possible sole minority but when I look past those two 3rd round appearances the ultimate result was Barry destroyed the very core of this teams will to win with his play not to lose mentality. All of the mental issues the team is having today stemmed from his far too restrictive style of play that was further worsened under his apprentice Lambert. Lou Lamiorello as senile as he appears to be at the very least saw this as a core problem with Trotz and eventually did a 180 with Roy. Amongst all the things he did wrong at the very least he got this right.

IEven the best coach in the world over the past decade - Our beloved Barry Trotz - Is looking pretty bad thus far as GM - And I'd still take him 100 times out of 100 over Roy.

You’d take what Trotz has done to the Predators and bring that to the island? Are you out of your mind??? Roy won the Jack Adam’s the first year he entered the NHL. He’s won at this game at just about every level he’s been involved. The guy reeks success. I’d take what Roy has accomplished in his professional career 100 times out of 100 what Trotz has done. Wow 1 Cup after all these years and only because he has the most dominant player in the past 2 decades playing under his boring system. Trotz thus far has proven to be an absolutely horrible GM no way I want him anywhere near the Island. You seriously think he’s GM material? It’s hypocritical to say he must be a great GM just because in your eyes you thought he was a great coach. Totally hypocritical to say this.

 

[Rehabguy]

For that alone I'd like to start with a clean slate.

You were the #1 fan of getting rid of Snow and now the #1 fan of getting rid of the guy who replaced him. For that alone I can’t take you seriously.

 

[Rehabguy]

I’m 100% sure the Isles make the playoffs this year because of Roy as they did last year when the team was falling apart at the seams. He didn’t inherit the capable roster Snow left Trotz but at least he got them in the playoffs. Roy is not the problem. Sure the PP and PK need fixing but he understands until he wipes the weak loser mentality Lambert stamped on this team they ain’t going anywhere.

 

[Rehabguy]

I think as you dived into your points further I agree with much of this. I also look at Roy more along the lines of he has gotten the best season out of this roster compared to the last year of Trotz, Lambert, and then Roy took over and had this team rolling into the postseason.

The problem is this is our third coach and the best we have gotten with any of the three out of the last four seasons is a first round knockout.

I think Roy can help build a culture but he needs more talent on the roster. I understand your worries about his readiness to be the GM of this organization though.

You see this is a reasonable reply.

 

[Rehabguy]

I think the jury is still out on Roy as a coach - it still hasn’t even been a full season, and for a majority of his tenure here a good amount of impact players have been injured at the same time.

When the team has been healthy they’ve dominated the 5v5 play - we saw that again tonight where they scored 6 (should have been 7) 5v5 goals. The obvious issue is the special teams and I’m honestly clueless on how that gets fixed without an entire training camp with new systems.

With the resurgence of Lee and Pageau, the most glaring issues on this team personnel-wise have become Pelech and Pulock. They just don’t got it anymore, and are probably both replacement level players being paid as #2 defensemen and signed until the end of time. Combine that with Dobson and Romanov disappointing and it’s actually our defense that’s our weakest link right now. Not sure how we fix that either tbh

Yes I would give Roy much more time. What an absolute mistake it would be to rid this team of this guy. He understands the game. He understands this team has a fundamental problem with developing a winning culture and a confident mindset, but he’s been addressing it head on ever since he got here. You can’t right a ship over night with all the bullshit this roster has been through for the past 4 years.

 

[LeapOnOver]

This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

Weird you didn't mention injuries.

 

[LeapOnOver]

I’m 100% sure the Isles make the playoffs this year because of Roy as they did last year when the team was falling apart at the seams. He didn’t inherit the capable roster Snow left Trotz but at least he got them in the playoffs. Roy is not the problem. Sure the PP and PK need fixing but he understands until he wipes the weak loser mentality Lambert stamped on this team they ain’t going anywhere.

I don't think you are treating this with a much seriousness as it needs. Even if we squeak into the playoffs, why? Every game will be tight and giving up a goal in every other PK without scoring any on your own chances is like playing the game on one leg. Opponent might as well have a buy. These two things are so disastrous it would be a disservice to the league for the Isles to make the playoffs.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I see literally no evidence that Roy would be a good GM - Much less excellent one. Maybe he will be good, but my god I don't want to appoint the most important role on the team to a guy with zero experience at it just because you "like" him.

Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan - The best players at their respective sports in history. Beyond "legends" and I'd say "know the game" inside and out.

Yet - Abysmal when it came to working in coaching/management/ownership.

Heck - Even Mike Milbury and Garth Snow were better players than they were GMs. How's "all world character guy" Chris Drury doing right now? Even the best coach in the world over the past decade - Our beloved Barry Trotz - Is looking pretty bad thus far as GM - And I'd still take him 100 times out of 100 over Roy.

That’s crazy. The team he is running is failing at the highest level imaginable.

Unlike Trotz, Roy has a liiiiiitle bit of of GM experience in the q. Maybe it’s worth nothing…. But it might be worth something. I’m really not convinced he’s trash yet. actually, I’m pretty convinced he’s a lot closer to Brind Amour than Lambert.

I think he needs to be working with a GM that wants to bring in players that can play his style. If that guy happens to be himself… I’m not against it.

 

[MikeyMike01]

But as GM, Trotz has taken chicken salad and turned it into chicken shit
The Nashville posters are ready to draw and quarter him

I remember reading some Islanders fans that were livid that Lou wasn’t fired and replaced by Trotz.

 

[leeroggy]

Our beloved Barry Trotz - Is looking pretty bad thus far as GM - And I'd still take him 100 times out of 100 over Roy.

Perif, the problem with this line is that Barry as GM has done EXACTLY what you criticize LL for. All other things being equal, I doubt Roy would mimic that.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Perif, the problem with this line is that Barry as GM has done EXACTLY what you criticize LL for. All other things being equal, I doubt Roy would mimic that.

He came to a playoff team with tons of cap space and a tax advantage and spent it all locking up aging players into their late 30s, while also trading away their top prospect… and now they’re in last place.

Unless you’re making the point that he would fall ass backwards into expediting the rebuild and land us Hagens i think you have to concede that so far his tenure as GM has been a monumental failure, potentially with implications far worse than what Lou has done in his time here.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Perif, the problem with this line is that Barry as GM has done EXACTLY what you criticize LL for. All other things being equal, I doubt Roy would mimic that.

The vituperance directed at Lou is irrationally amplified by aggrievement.

I’d take what Roy has accomplished in his professional career 100 times out of 100 what Trotz has done.

As a coach? Or, are you including his accomplishments as a player?

 

[impaaaaaact]

New top line looking pretty good so far - 75% means they're out-chancing their opponents 3-1. In fact, each of the four lines that have been put together since the team got healthy are over 50% at 5v5... as well as all 3 of the defensive pairings. That tells me that Roy's system is working. If the players he has aren't finishing on their chances... that's a GM thing. Would be a huge mistake to let go of Roy IMO

 

[gordie43]

New top line looking pretty good so far - 75% means they're out-chancing their opponents 3-1. In fact, each of the four lines that have been put together since the team got healthy are over 50% at 5v5... as well as all 3 of the defensive pairings. That tells me that Roy's system is working. If the players he has aren't finishing on their chances... that's a GM thing. Would be a huge mistake to let go of Roy IMO


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As shows how putrid their special teams are. Waisting good 5 on 5 play

 

[impaaaaaact]

As shows how putrid their special teams are. Waisting good 5 on 5 play

Yeah, I’d probably let everyone but Roy go.

 

[Glorydays22]

For those here who want to give Roy a pass. This is why you don't and he must go with Lou and everyone else. Need a new fresh start with entire organization.


Stefen Rosner
@stefen_rosner
Roy said if he could go back, he would have put more of an emphasis on PP/PK at training camp.

Roy knew, shit everyone in our organization knew how bad our special teams were and are. And this was an after thought to Roy.

No thank you, he's not a good coach. He a PR guy.

 

[Top Corner]

He came to a playoff team with tons of cap space and a tax advantage and spent it all locking up aging players into their late 30s, while also trading away their top prospect… and now they’re in last place.

Unless you’re making the point that he would fall ass backwards into expediting the rebuild and land us Hagens i think you have to concede that so far his tenure as GM has been a monumental failure, potentially with implications far worse than what Lou has done in his time here.

Exactly, Lou & Trotz are one of the same , favouring vets over lower priced talent. Roy , to me , won’t follow this MO and that’s evident by him playing George with decent minutes.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I'm late to the party, but I think Roy is a fine coach. He came into a situation that was impossible for him -- country club environment, aging players, guys who are just happy to be here.

I don't think he likes the roster, and I think he was upset with the lack of moves Lou made this offseason. I have no knowledge, I just have a hunch based off comments he's made in pressers.

I wish he can have a clean slate and keep the guys that actually give a damn and have a good future. As we've seen in junior, he's more of a developer and he's done a solid job with making George a legitimate NHL player.

Put him in a better situation, and I think he thrives as a coach.