Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Dobson is an RFA to be. He can wait and prove he has minimized his deflating brain farts that result in major gaffes and goals against offsetting this offense.

If he doesn’t, you use that lower his ask.

He's a 70 point defenseman. He's not lowering shit based on "brain farts."

 

[doublechili]

I can't believe he's played 3 seasons already, lol. Time just flies by....

And I'm thinking this could be the year that Hector Marini finally wins a spot in the starting lineup.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Here's an analytics site that shows offensive and defensive values.

Nothing we couldn't surmise ourselves but shows we need Horvat and Barzal to be better offensively or match where they were at last year. Nelson remains underrated in the league as far as being a second line producer.

One thing I think is slept on is our depth.

 

[Throttle]

He's a 70 point defenseman. He's not lowering shit based on "brain farts."

Good for him, but then he’s a 55 point defenseman based on his crap defense at times, costly turnovers, etc.

He’s offensively gifted, but he needs work on the back end so he’s not costing the Isles points.

 

[seafoam]

He's a 70 point defenseman. He's not lowering shit based on "brain farts."

I wouldn't be surprised to see his point totals decline under Roy with a healthier defense as a whole.

I don't anticipate Reilly usurping him on the first PP unit, but if they can put together a second unit that isn't just running around like chickens with their heads cut off, then that could also play a factor.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Good for him, but then he’s a 55 point defenseman based on his crap defense at times, costly turnovers, etc.

He's a 70 point defenseman and his value will be based on other 70 point defensemen around the league.

 

[saintunspecified]

Overall observations:
Good:
- Agree with everyone here that Bolduc looked more assertive out there, especially defensively. We're probably sleeping on his upside, because if he ends up 'getting it', he has the athleticism to be a regular.
- Holmstrom also looked assertive + competitive. His play on the ENG, which was anticipation + hustle. Was the goal lucky? Idk, whatever, he earned it. I don't think there's any question that he makes the team.
- Maggio's tenacity & decision to play a simple, hard game bodes well for his future. If he played to impress the coach, it probably worked.
- Pelech looked mobile, and healthy. I don't blame him or Pulock for the Bratt goal.
- Gauthier's legs going at 100% beats guys going 85%. But you can't complain about how he played!
- Mayfield: separated his man from the puck, and didn't turn it over. That's his job.

Bad:
- Palmieri - He'll get more attention for not shooting in the ENG, but the turnover leading to the Bratt goal added to a pattern. He needs to be sheltered at ES in tight games, and especially with leads.
- Jefferies - He was physically overmatched. He's only a few games into his pro career, but it was a rough game for him.
- McLean - Didn't have a good game, had a few turnovers. Not really worried.

Mixed:
- Tsypkalov - looked very dangerous in the offensive zone. His assist wasn't the only time when he looked dangerous as either a passer, a shooter, or in the cycle. Won some battles too. His stint on the PK otoh looked *awful*, and it wasn't just the turnover. It was bad besides that. He also let Dougie Hamilton sneak behind him at ES for a shot that could easily have scored. So, offense good, battles good, defense bad.

Some of the other guys looked decent (JGP, Lee, Pulock, Cholo). Some guys looked meh (Nelson chief among them).

Who made that pass to Thiesing in the slot? He almost buried it.

I don't remember all the details bc was flipping between this & the much more important Mets game.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

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Here's an analytics site that shows offensive and defensive values.

Nothing we couldn't surmise ourselves but shows we need Horvat and Barzal to be better offensively or match where they were at last year. Nelson remains underrated in the league as far as being a second line producer.

One thing I think is slept on is our depth.

Mike Reilly 18 value points better than Romo on the defensive side?



I sure hope that takes ATOI and match-ups under consideration...

 

[LeapOnOver]

He's a 70 point defenseman and his value will be based on other 70 point defensemen around the league.

But what's the cut of his jib? Surely that will be the deciding factor.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Here's an analytics site that shows offensive and defensive values.

Lets say, just for shits and giggles, that if you add up the offensive and defensive values, you get an "overall" of some kind. Engvall is the best forward.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Lets say, just for shits and giggles, that if you add up the offensive and defensive values, you get an "overall" of some kind. Engvall is the best forward.

And Brock Nelson is significantly worse on defense than his line-mates Lee and Palmieri?

I don't believe all of these cockamamie analytics sites.

 

[doublechili]

Lets say, just for shits and giggles, that if you add up the offensive and defensive values, you get an "overall" of some kind. Engvall is the best forward.

Further evidence of the unreliability of the eye test!

 

[seafoam]

Duclair-Horvat-Barzal
X-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-X
MacLean-Cizikas-X

X’s = Engvall, Holmstrom, and Tysplakov, I’m just not sure where they should/will ultimately end up.

Extra forward = Foudy

 

[MJF]

Duclair-Horvat-Barzal
X-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-X
MacLean-Cizikas-X

X’s = Engvall, Holmstrom, and Tysplakov, I’m just not sure where they should/will ultimately end up.

Extra forward = Foudy

I'm leaning towards this lineup as well. Foudy would be my choice as the extra forward today. He was buzzing the net all night. However, we have zero toughness, and I could see Matt Martin getting a job for that reason. Foudy strikes me as a AAAA player, so let him stay ready in Bridgeport and he'd be my first forward call up if anyone goes on IR.

As of today, I can't find a spot for Wahlstrom and Fasching on the big club. Those guys had better make some noise in their next games and give Roy a reason to keep them. The clock is ticking.

 

[leeroggy]

I could see Matt Martin getting a job for that reason.

I mentioned this yesterday after reading up on it. Unless he signs with another team, Martin's PTO is good until the trade deadline. We won't be seeing him unless a number of injuries lets us accumulate cap space and Bridgeport callups don't work. He's the 17th option.

Team toughness does not rely on a policeman in today's NHL.

Assuming 2 goalies, 14 forwards and 7 defensemen, there still needs to be a move to open space for the 23rd player.

 

[leeroggy]

Duclair-Horvat-Barzal
X-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-X
MacLean-Cizikas-X

X’s = Engvall, Holmstrom, and Tysplakov, I’m just not sure where they should/will ultimately end up.

Extra forward = Foudy

Even though Holms has been practicing with Nelson and Palms, I think his skills will be better suited with Lee and Pageau, if we are looking for him to shoot a lot more, while Tsyp can fill Engvall's spot on line 2. I also think that if Lou could move Engvall, he's the most likely to go, since Fasching and Foudy are natural 4th liners.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[seafoam]

I'm leaning towards this lineup as well. Foudy would be my choice as the extra forward today. He was buzzing the net all night. However, we have zero toughness, and I could see Matt Martin getting a job for that reason. Foudy strikes me as a AAAA player, so let him stay ready in Bridgeport and he'd be my first forward call up if anyone goes on IR.

As of today, I can't find a spot for Wahlstrom and Fasching on the big club. Those guys had better make some noise in their next games and give Roy a reason to keep them. The clock is ticking.

Foudy hasn't broken through yet, but he is still only 24. MacLean is a year older than him and just broke through at the tail end of last season, so there's still a chance.

I like him as the extra because he has speed (advantage over Fasching and Wahlstrom) and can play center or wing (something Gauthier can't do).

With that said, if they think he will pass through waivers, let him get prime ice time down in Bridgeport and stay sharp until a callup is needed.

Even though Holms has been practicing with Nelson and Palms, I think his skills will be better suited with Lee and Pageau, if we are looking for him to shoot a lot more, while Tsyp can fill Engvall's spot on line 2. I also think that if Lou could move Engvall, he's the most likely to go, since Fasching and Foudy are natural 4th liners.

Just my 2 cents.

If you're Lamoriello/Roy and think Holmstrom has top six potential, he needs to at some point play in that role and work through some of the growing pains. Hard to believe he's been in North America for five seasons now, but I'd think given that fact they will be more comfortable trying him out in a top six role while Tysplakov adjusts to life in the NHL in a bottom six role.

Holmstrom-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Engvall
MacLean-Cizikas-Tyslpakov

 

[impaaaaaact]

Foudy hasn't broken through yet, but he is still only 24. MacLean is a year older than him and just broke through at the tail end of last season, so there's still a chance.

I like him as the extra because he has speed (advantage over Fasching and Wahlstrom) and can play center or wing (something Gauthier can't do).

With that said, if they think he will pass through waivers, let him get prime ice time down in Bridgeport and stay sharp until a callup is needed.


If you're Lamoriello/Roy and think Holmstrom has top six potential, he needs to at some point play in that role and work through some of the growing pains. Hard to believe he's been in North America for five seasons now, but I'd think given that fact they will be more comfortable trying him out in a top six role while Tysplakov adjusts to life in the NHL in a bottom six role.

Holmstrom-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Engvall
MacLean-Cizikas-Tyslpakov

I think this is the lineup they want. Holmstrom looked great in the first preseason game, and that line could use a little speed.

Interestingly enough, Tsyplakov is listed 20 lbs heavier than he was in Russia, at 6’3 210. Holmstrom is listed as 6’2 215, and is likely going to be the second heaviest forward on the roster.

I'm leaning towards this lineup as well. Foudy would be my choice as the extra forward today. He was buzzing the net all night. However, we have zero toughness, and I could see Matt Martin getting a job for that reason. Foudy strikes me as a AAAA player, so let him stay ready in Bridgeport and he'd be my first forward call up if anyone goes on IR.

As of today, I can't find a spot for Wahlstrom and Fasching on the big club. Those guys had better make some noise in their next games and give Roy a reason to keep them. The clock is ticking.

We have some big boys in Lee and Mayfield, and maybe Tsyplakov will fight? He certainly hits

 

[LeapOnOver]

Foudy hasn't broken through yet, but he is still only 24. MacLean is a year older than him and just broke through at the tail end of last season, so there's still a chance.

I like him as the extra because he has speed (advantage over Fasching and Wahlstrom) and can play center or wing (something Gauthier can't do).

With that said, if they think he will pass through waivers, let him get prime ice time down in Bridgeport and stay sharp until a callup is needed.


If you're Lamoriello/Roy and think Holmstrom has top six potential, he needs to at some point play in that role and work through some of the growing pains. Hard to believe he's been in North America for five seasons now, but I'd think given that fact they will be more comfortable trying him out in a top six role while Tysplakov adjusts to life in the NHL in a bottom six role.

Holmstrom-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Engvall
MacLean-Cizikas-Tyslpakov

Maclean just broke through as a solid 4th line option though. As much as we like Maclean and his motor, let's not forget how easy it is to replace those guys. I mean, I'm happy for the kid, but let's not act like he's suddenly an NHL fixture. Think about what we were saying about Fasching a couple seasons ago. Sounded exactly like this, and now Fasching is the guy that folks think isn't going to make the lineup. Foudy is going to be in the same boat most likely. Fringe NHLer that won't ever be more than a 4th liner.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Foudy is going to be in the same boat most likely. Fringe NHLer that won't ever be more than a 4th liner.

But, he was buzzing.

 

[JJ18Sniper]

From an unreliable rumor site if you're interested in speculation fun...
Dobson/Lee for Caufield/Matheson/Reinbacher and 25' 1st.

Montreal Canadiens, New York Islanders Swirl in Blockbuster Trade Speculation

Explosive trade rumors link the Montreal Canadiens and New York Islanders. Will Noah Dobson and Anders Lee head to Montreal in exchange for Cole Caufield and more? Fans are buzzing!

www.nhltraderumor.com

 

[Big L]

From an unreliable rumor site if you're interested in speculation fun...
Dobson/Lee for Caufield/Matheson/Reinbacher and 25' 1st.

Montreal Canadiens, New York Islanders Swirl in Blockbuster Trade Speculation

Explosive trade rumors link the Montreal Canadiens and New York Islanders. Will Noah Dobson and Anders Lee head to Montreal in exchange for Cole Caufield and more? Fans are buzzing!

www.nhltraderumor.com

lol no thanks x 1000 to that proposal

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

From an unreliable rumor site if you're interested in speculation fun...
Dobson/Lee for Caufield/Matheson/Reinbacher and 25' 1st.

Montreal Canadiens, New York Islanders Swirl in Blockbuster Trade Speculation

Explosive trade rumors link the Montreal Canadiens and New York Islanders. Will Noah Dobson and Anders Lee head to Montreal in exchange for Cole Caufield and more? Fans are buzzing!

www.nhltraderumor.com

If this was on the table for Lou, it sure as shit ain't on the table anymore lol

 

[Isles72]

Maclean just broke through as a solid 4th line option though. As much as we like Maclean and his motor, let's not forget how easy it is to replace those guys. I mean, I'm happy for the kid, but let's not act like he's suddenly an NHL fixture. Think about what we were saying about Fasching a couple seasons ago. Sounded exactly like this, and now Fasching is the guy that folks think isn't going to make the lineup. Foudy is going to be in the same boat most likely. Fringe NHLer that won't ever be more than a 4th liner.

I like Maclean but imo he isnt that fast of a skater . I had Foudy pegged as someone that makes the team over Fasching if Roy thinks his speed will help cause chaos on the 4th line . I know theres the whole right hand shot / left hand shot angle to consider as well .

 

[leeroggy]

From an unreliable rumor site if you're interested in speculation fun...
Dobson/Lee for Caufield/Matheson/Reinbacher and 25' 1st.

Montreal Canadiens, New York Islanders Swirl in Blockbuster Trade Speculation

Explosive trade rumors link the Montreal Canadiens and New York Islanders. Will Noah Dobson and Anders Lee head to Montreal in exchange for Cole Caufield and more? Fans are buzzing!

www.nhltraderumor.com

This is actually very intriguing, even if so out of the blue you would think it has no real rumor to it.

If Matheson was a RHD, it would be better, as Reinbacher is still only 19. Caulfield means Palms is not re-signed. Montreal drafted 5th in 2024 and I don't see this putting them into a playoff race, so we could easily be looking at a Top 10 pick. Dobson's long-term contract is gone and Matheson is cheaper.

One thing that I don't see is how Montreal can handle the cap numbers.