Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[LeapOnOver]

Trotz team had better Defensemen, I like Engvall but he doesn’t move the needle (0 G 6A) more than Bailey didn’t move the needle . The point is the talent level Is middle of the pack. Not sure there is a coach who is going to bring this group to the promse land

Weird you bring up his 6 assists this season and ignore the way he played down the stretch last season. I just don't see that as a rational way to analyze a player. BTW, 6 assists is tied for 2nd on the team if we are just really cherry picking these few amount of games to open the season.

I'm hard pressed to see anybody on these boards who would not call Engvall a significant upgrade over Bailey which means yes, he moves the needle more than Bailey. Are you being honest now, or downplaying to prove a point?

 

[IslesNorway]

Weird you bring up his 6 assists this season and ignore the way he played down the stretch last season. I just don't see that as a rational way to analyze a player. BTW, 6 assists is tied for 2nd on the team if we are just really cherry picking these few amount of games to open the season.

I'm hard pressed to see anybody on these boards who would not call Engvall a significant upgrade over Bailey which means yes, he moves the needle more than Bailey. Are you being honest now, or downplaying to prove a point?

last season was last season. It doesn't matter now because Engvall doesn't do much in the CURRENT season. He can't score, doesn't create much and is mostly invisible, along with several others on this team. He better turn it around pretty quick or that seven year deal will turn into a nightmare pretty quickly.

Face it, this team is AT BEST a bubble team. At best. Most likely it is a bottom 12 team due to the number of overpaid, underperforming, aging, slowing players that fills this roster. Now, the coach clearly can't get them to play, and that is his responsibility. As such he should be gone, but the whole way this roster is constructed is the respponibility of LL, and he should be gone too.

 

[Top Corner]

Weird you bring up his 6 assists this season and ignore the way he played down the stretch last season. I just don't see that as a rational way to analyze a player. BTW, 6 assists is tied for 2nd on the team if we are just really cherry picking these few amount of games to open the season.

I'm hard pressed to see anybody on these boards who would not call Engvall a significant upgrade over Bailey which means yes, he moves the needle more than Bailey. Are you being honest now, or downplaying to prove a point?

Please read that “I like the guy” but the point is he’s not going to score a ton of goals and this team needs goals. You can’t win scoring 1 or 2 goals a night period. I think we Islander fans can agree, Lou and his contracts , a team with minimal scoring and no farm system has put us in a world of hurt when it comes to hockey. Not many coaches around that can fix this.

 

[SRBisles]

I think you have to look at moving Nelson during the offseason or if they're out of it at the deadline. Get a good young player who can play in the NHL and some picks to help offload more dead weight.

 

[Osakahaus]

I think you have to look at moving Nelson during the offseason or if they're out of it at the deadline. Get a good young player who can play in the NHL and some picks to help offload more dead weight.

Minnesota would gladly take a homecoming for Brock.

 

[Glorydays22]

Minnesota would gladly take a homecoming for Brock.

would they take Lee too

 

[WangMustGo]

I think you have to look at moving Nelson during the offseason or if they're out of it at the deadline. Get a good young player who can play in the NHL and some picks to help offload more dead weight.

If they are out of it come TDL i think you have to move Nelson. Get as much draft capital as possible. This farm system needs a serious injection of talent.

 

[Osakahaus]

would they take Lee too

Sadly they have no cap.

 

[islesfan3913]

I think you have to look at moving Nelson during the offseason or if they're out of it at the deadline. Get a good young player who can play in the NHL and some picks to help offload more dead weight.

If we move Nelson then that should signal a rebuild IMO. He’s pretty much our only scoring forward so without him and without much coming up from the farm, there’s little reason to hang on to anything else. At that point, everyone except for Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, and Sorokin should become available, and I’d argue we should be all ears for Barzal considering his NTC kicks in after the season. We just aren’t in a position where a retool would work.

 

[Osakahaus]

If we move Nelson then that should signal a rebuild IMO. He’s pretty much our only scoring forward so without him and without much coming up from the farm, there’s little reason to hang on to anything else. At that point, everyone except for Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, and Sorokin should become available, and I’d argue we should be all ears for Barzal considering his NTC kicks in after the season. We just aren’t in a position where a retool would work.

They SHOULD do a rebuild, or at least one to acquire younger talent and spend, but the islanders would never do that. Ownership isn't going to do that, and ownership doesn't want the fanbase to leave for even a year. They need to get rid of Lamoriello at the end of this season. He isn't getting fired anytime soon. He's almost 82. This dude should be retired, not managing a hockey team ffs.

 

[NC 1972]

Sadly they have no cap.

Wasn't there a press release a few years back about the Islanders hiring some kind of Cap Guru?

 

[Osakahaus]

Wasn't there a press release a few years back about the Islanders hiring some kind of Cap Guru?

the f*** do I even know. The people this organization hires have to be drinking buddies with Lou or have played with the team back then.

 

[NC 1972]

If we move Nelson then that should signal a rebuild IMO. He’s pretty much our only scoring forward so without him and without much coming up from the farm, there’s little reason to hang on to anything else. At that point, everyone except for Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, and Sorokin should become available, and I’d argue we should be all ears for Barzal considering his NTC kicks in after the season. We just aren’t in a position where a retool would work.

Nor are we in a position of strength, anyone interested in Barzal would leverage his contract and erratic play to their favor.

 

[The Real JT]

If we move Nelson then that should signal a rebuild IMO. He’s pretty much our only scoring forward so without him and without much coming up from the farm, there’s little reason to hang on to anything else. At that point, everyone except for Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, and Sorokin should become available, and I’d argue we should be all ears for Barzal considering his NTC kicks in after the season. We just aren’t in a position where a retool would work.

Speaking of NTCs and also mNTCs (modified). This is not a minor issue.

Barzal NTC begins next season
Horvat NTC
Lee NTC
Mayfield NTC
Varly NTC
Engvall mNTC
Palmieri mNTC
Nelson mNTC
JGP mNTC

Lou. The gift that keeps giving.

 

[PK Cronin]

Speaking of NTCs and also mNTCs (modified). This is not a minor issue.

Barzal NTC begins next season
Horvat NTC
Lee NTC
Mayfield NTC
Varly NTC
Engvall mNTC
Palmieri mNTC
Nelson mNTC
JGP mNTC

Lou. The gift that keeps giving.

Lee's turns into a mNTC after this season, so there's that. All of the modified ones, other than Lee's are 16 teams, while Lee's is 15.

 

[The Real JT]

Lee's turns into a mNTC after this season, so there's that. All of the modified ones, other than Lee's are 16 teams, while Lee's is 15.

The only positive spin I can put on these trade restrictions is that Lee has the only contract that would be a cap dump.

Considering that a potential trade of a quality player would involve a Cup contender then that team might not be on that player’s restricted list of teams to be traded to.

 

[Throttle]

If we move Nelson then that should signal a rebuild IMO. He’s pretty much our only scoring forward so without him and without much coming up from the farm, there’s little reason to hang on to anything else. At that point, everyone except for Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, and Sorokin should become available, and I’d argue we should be all ears for Barzal considering his NTC kicks in after the season. We just aren’t in a position where a retool would work.

You are not changing anything by keeping the same players that aren’t doing anything. So, Dobson, Horvat, and Sorokin (goalies are tough to trade for value) stay. Add in Mayfield, Engvall due to their deals. Probably Czikas too.

Sunset Martin, Clutter. Trade Barzal for a contract-disputed player (Van), unhappy (OTT), or maybe one looking for contract certainty (SEA). If Pageu can get some offense, maybe a contender swaps him with salary coming back (too much term there, but you never know).

It’s a two year carving, if done correctly. Dallas was being dragged through the mud with their aging vets, their draft picks have performed very well to offset Sequin/Benn. They walked away from Klingberg. The Isles draft picks HAVE NOT performed well.

 

[doublechili]

Speaking of NTCs and also mNTCs (modified). This is not a minor issue.

Barzal NTC begins next season
Horvat NTC
Lee NTC
Mayfield NTC
Varly NTC
Engvall mNTC
Palmieri mNTC
Nelson mNTC
JGP mNTC

Lou. The gift that keeps giving.

Add Sorokin who has no trade protection now but has a NMC starting 7/1/24. Barzal's will be a mNTC starting 7/1/24 where he submits a 22 team no-trade list. Those are both significant and would be the biggest decisions for ownership and a new GM assuming there is a major shakeup. If ownership decided they wanted to rebuild and they dealt Sorokin and Barzal (and Nelson) for futures, other guys would probably then be willing to waive. The NTCs are more of a problem if they want to tinker and/or create cap space.

Nelson's mNTC is not a big deal because it's a 16 team no trade list - if he's traded it would be to a contender and they'd most likely not be on his no-trade list.

 

[doublechili]

You are not changing anything by keeping the same players that aren’t doing anything. So, Dobson, Horvat, and Sorokin (goalies are tough to trade for value) stay. Add in Mayfield, Engvall due to their deals. Probably Czikas too.

Sunset Martin, Clutter. Trade Barzal for a contract-disputed player (Van), unhappy (OTT), or maybe one looking for contract certainty (SEA). If Pageu can get some offense, maybe a contender swaps him with salary coming back (too much term there, but you never know).

It’s a two year carving, if done correctly. Dallas was being dragged through the mud with their aging vets, their draft picks have performed very well to offset Sequin/Benn. They walked away from Klingberg. The Isles draft picks HAVE NOT performed well.

I agree with this. The biggest question is who does the carving. If ownership is changing to "in Lou we don't entirely trust anymore", then he should have some shackles on him if they keep him through the season.

 

[Osakahaus]

Speaking of NTCs and also mNTCs (modified). This is not a minor issue.

Barzal NTC begins next season
Horvat NTC
Lee NTC
Mayfield NTC
Varly NTC
Engvall mNTC
Palmieri mNTC
Nelson mNTC
JGP mNTC

Lou. The gift that keeps giving.

 

[Osakahaus]

You are not changing anything by keeping the same players that aren’t doing anything. So, Dobson, Horvat, and Sorokin (goalies are tough to trade for value) stay. Add in Mayfield, Engvall due to their deals. Probably Czikas too.

Sunset Martin, Clutter. Trade Barzal for a contract-disputed player (Van), unhappy (OTT), or maybe one looking for contract certainty (SEA). If Pageu can get some offense, maybe a contender swaps him with salary coming back (too much term there, but you never know).

It’s a two year carving, if done correctly. Dallas was being dragged through the mud with their aging vets, their draft picks have performed very well to offset Sequin/Benn. They walked away from Klingberg. The Isles draft picks HAVE NOT performed well.

The issue is that the Stars hit very well on their picks. Isles haven't. We really need to get out of some contracts and fast. Get value back. Its why I wouldn't wince at trading Brock at the right value.

 

[Lame Lambert]

The issue is that the Stars hit very well on their picks. Isles haven't. We really need to get out of some contracts and fast. Get value back. Its why I wouldn't wince at trading Brock at the right value.

Sorokin to Edmonton, Varlamov to NJ. Barzal, Pelech, Pulock, and Nelson to the highest bidders. If there's anyone else with value, trade them. Use our newfound cap space to take short-term cap dumps for prospects and picks.

 

[Lame Lambert]

[mod edit]

Yeah, you're right I'd much rather run back the same roster that was cooked 2 seasons ago. I'm sure another coaching change will make us contenders.

 

[Osakahaus]

Yeah, you're right I'd much rather run back the same roster that was cooked 2 seasons ago. I'm sure another coaching change will make us contenders.

They would be very stupid to trade Ilya and Barzal. Those two are do not touch.

And if you trade Varlamov then you are trusting Lennox or Skarek. Hell no.

 

[Strummergas]

Yeah, you're right I'd much rather run back the same roster that was cooked 2 seasons ago. I'm sure another coaching change will make us contenders.

Surely, there's something in between, no? That's not going to fix the problem overnight, but nor will burning the whole f***ing thing to the ground.