Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[periferal]

I'm inclined to the view that we need a new coaching staff, and if the owners want a new GM that's fine too. I loved Trotz, but I'm not sure he would have been any more successful this year against CAR than he was in the past. IMO, we need a coach who says things like this when talking about his coaching style:

Confusing...

If Trotz wouldn't have done any better than Lane this year...Then did you not not like Trotz, or did Lane do the best job possible with a flawed roster?

 

[The Wahligator]

 

[JRD76]

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[The Wahligator]

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Don’t speak too soon, could be that their jobs are in consideration

 

[NYI365]

I'd can Lambert and bring in Laviolette for Round 2, 20 years later to right a Milbury Wrong.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

That was Chris Lamoriello’s finding, not Morrow’s.

I'm not really partial one way or another, but how do we know this exactly?

And are you writing that as in Fasching was Chris' suggestion to his dad, because I don't think he's got any authority to be signing guys to two-way NHL contracts?

This said, to your statement:
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The Islanders need to find diamonds in the rough like Verhaege/Montour if they are going to overpay for players like Barzal/Lee/Horvat/etc.
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... That would naturally be fantastic and ideal. Don't know where they're going with the blueliners, but there's an outside shot that Engvall could become our Verhaege. Admittedly, his is a wonderful story and nary a team around the league gains a UFA dime-a-dozen addition like that and ends up with those results. That just happens seldom.

But I do know that right from the draft and onwards, a team's scouts generally build their ongoing notebooks with players they're interested in following with the intent of perhaps later acquiring in some other manner, with just that intention of grabbing the odd player here or there who falls through whatever cracks at a later juncture.

Lord knows, this franchise was prolly lucky enough to end up with a "Fasching", especially in a season where Clutterbuck was out for a while and Wahlstrom missed practically the whole season.

But in a day and age where it's drafting just 5 times per summer and has minimal picks in the first three rounds, it behoves this team to make some finds like those you're referring to.

 

[MJF]

Don’t speak too soon, could be that their jobs are in consideration

Trotz didn’t speak to the media on clean out day last year. 2 weeks later he was fired.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

For Bailey to question why he was scratched so many times shows me he is definitely clueless.
He says he definitely wants to play next year. Good luck in Bridgeport! I'm not trying and draft capital to anyone. He can ride his ass on the bus next year in CT. We only have 1 more yr of this guy and BYE BYE!

Oh, you better get ready for us to only be making 4 picks this summer, starting in Round 4.

That 2nd is likely a goner, prolly to move someone out.

 

[periferal]

Don’t speak too soon, could be that their jobs are in consideration

Wish that was the case, but sadly I get the sense that Malkin/Ledecky are the presidents of the "in Lou we trust" fan club.

I think it's going to take Lou walking one day in the future to force a change.

 

[Glorydays22]

We need speed players also.

Ideally the isles hunt for Connor/Ehlers and Orlov

Would love Connor but we don't have the assets to get him.

Oh, you better get ready for us to only be making 4 picks this summer, starting in Round 4.

That 2nd is likely a goner, prolly to move someone out.

and there in lies the problem with Lou...

 

[The Wahligator]

Would love Connor but we don't have the assets to get him.

Only chance you'd have is if the Jets really love Dobson and see him as a long term Morrissey partner.

 

[doublechili]

Confusing...

If Trotz wouldn't have done any better than Lane this year...Then did you not not like Trotz, or did Lane do the best job possible with a flawed roster?

I said I didn't think Trotz would necessarily do better against CAR than he did in the past. That happens to be about the same as what Lambert did. Trotz and Lambert were a team for how long? 10 years? I hoped Lambert would open things up this year, but he was not able to do that successfully. Part of that may be personnel. Part of it may be coaching. I'd like to see a new coach, and I'd like to see some changes in personnel. Maybe Lou needs to go.

The team needs to be able to play more than one way. The Isles' dynasty team was famous for being able to beat teams any way they wanted to play. This team has one route to victory, and it's too hard to win consistently playing their style, IMO. The team needs to play faster. Skating. Puck-moving.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I think Lou and the Isles agree to part ways. Wouldn't be surprised if Lou lands in Nashville as a "senior advisor/consultant."

I can see Lane being fired, Chris Lamoriello promoted to GM and Laviolette named new coach.

 

[doublechili]

Don’t speak too soon, could be that their jobs are in consideration

Trotz didn’t speak to the media on clean out day last year. 2 weeks later he was fired.

Yeah, every day that goes by and it stays quiet makes me think it's more likely something's up. Lambert. Maybe Lou. Maybe it's nothing. We'll see.

 

[Glorydays22]

I think Lou and the Isles agree to part ways. Wouldn't be surprised if Lou lands in Nashville as a "senior advisor/consultant."

I can see Lane being fired, Chris Lamoriello promoted to GM and Laviolette named new coach.

I blacked out with happiness when you said Lou and Isles agree to part ways

 

[doublechili]

I think Lou and the Isles agree to part ways. Wouldn't be surprised if Lou lands in Nashville as a "senior advisor/consultant."

I can see Lane being fired, Chris Lamoriello promoted to GM and Laviolette named new coach.

First paragraph makes some sense.

Second paragraph makes me want to stick a needle in my eye.

 

[The Wahligator]

I think Lou and the Isles agree to part ways. Wouldn't be surprised if Lou lands in Nashville as a "senior advisor/consultant."

I can see Lane being fired, Chris Lamoriello promoted to GM and Laviolette named new coach.

Moving on from Lou to promote Chris makes about as much sense as firing Trotz citing a need for a "new voice" only to turn to his right hand man for the past 15 years.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Again...

Lou took part in the rebuild process because he had no choice. When he went to the Leafs they were already rebuilding. My point is that Lou never MADE A DECISION TO REBUILD.

For example after snow traded for Ryan Smyth (ssentially emptying our (not good) prospect pool in the process) and Smyth didn't stay, I think snow had to admit where the franchise was and that I rebuild was best...So he MADE THE DECISION to rebuild.

Ironically is was snow that built a majority of the roster that made those playoff runs compared to Lou:


garth snow
Barzal
Lee
Nelson
Eberle
Beauvillier
Bailey
Martin
Cizikas
Clutterbuck
Pelech
Pulock
Mayfield
Leddy
Sorokin


Lou Lamoriello
Pageau
Komarov
Dobson
Palmieri
Wahlstrom
Greene
Varlamov



Since then Lou has added Horvat, Romanov, Engvall, and Parise and when you add it all up I'm not sure that Lou is doing that much of a better job of acquiring talent than snow did.

I still maintain the most important person to the Islanders over the past decade was Barry Trotz. We'll probably never know if Lou felt threatened that Trotz wanted his GM job or Trotz wanted to be GM back in Nashville, but the bigger point is that Lou replaced a hall of fame coach with a rookie coach - On a team that he claimed was a Cup contender.

To me that's GM negligence, but we also have to face this team is nowhere near a Cup contender, getting older, and with so few levers to move to fix all the issues (if they are even fixable).

Meanwhile Lou keeps borrowing against the future and I'm telling you that once that bill comes due in the (near) future it's going to be ugly.

Again I would be fine moving on from Lou. I do think that people like yourself seem to overestimate the position this franchise was in when he arrived. Here are some of the facts:

- Team was about to lose their top tier franchise player for nothing.
- Team did not have a coach.
- Franchise was a laughing stock and was not looked at positively from anyone. Do you seriously think a player such as Horvat would sign here long term?
- There was zero structure, zero accountability, and zero respect from the league.
- top goalie prospect stuck in Russia with no clue if he is actually coming. Go bring up some of your old posts about Sorokin while Snow was here. You certainly did not think he was coming.

Hiring Lou who seemingly brought in Trotz was the greatest thing to happen to this franchise since 1983. Trotz 100% wanted to go back to his original NHL home in Nashville and I think would have chosen them over us. I was a big proponent of hiring Trotz to replace Lou though. So I get that. He also would have had zero experience. Just as much as your favorite GM ever Garth Snow had actually.

You wanna fire Lou? I say go right ahead. I would understand it. You go and watch teams like the Devils the Islanders are not that type of team. Just remember for every NJ there are about 3 Buffalo's. Just remember, what Lou did coming in to this franchise is not something any random GM could have done. Only an elite one.

The sky is not falling but they certainly do need to have an eventful offseason and get a bit more youth and speed infused in the lineup. Success is not linear.

 

[seafoam]

I'm not really partial one way or another, but how do we know this exactly?

And are you writing that as in Fasching was Chris' suggestion to his dad, because I don't think he's got any authority to be signing guys to two-way NHL contracts?

This said, to your statement:
<<<
The Islanders need to find diamonds in the rough like Verhaege/Montour if they are going to overpay for players like Barzal/Lee/Horvat/etc.
<<<

... That would naturally be fantastic and ideal. Don't know where they're going with the blueliners, but there's an outside shot that Engvall could become our Verhaege. Admittedly, his is a wonderful story and nary a team around the league gains a UFA dime-a-dozen addition like that and ends up with those results. That just happens seldom.

But I do know that right from the draft and onwards, a team's scouts generally build their ongoing notebooks with players they're interested in following with the intent of perhaps later acquiring in some other manner, with just that intention of grabbing the odd player here or there who falls through whatever cracks at a later juncture.

Lord knows, this franchise was prolly lucky enough to end up with a "Fasching", especially in a season where Clutterbuck was out for a while and Wahlstrom missed practically the whole season.

But in a day and age where it's drafting just 5 times per summer and has minimal picks in the first three rounds, it behoves this team to make some finds like those you're referring to.

Go to 4:30

 

[GOLFWANG]

Fasching signed 2 year deal with us

great start to offseason

Islanders Sign Fasching

 

[The Real JT]

I think Lou and the Isles agree to part ways. Wouldn't be surprised if Lou lands in Nashville as a "senior advisor/consultant."

I can see Lane being fired, Chris Lamoriello promoted to GM and Laviolette named new coach.

The “senior” part of senior advisor/consultant is a bit redundant in Lou’s case, no?

 

[Macch]

Fasching signed 2 year deal with us

great start to offseason

Guess LL isn't going anywhere

 

[xECK29x]

Fasching signed 2 year deal with us

great start to offseason

Islanders Sign Fasching

Good but he is a middle 6er at best, strong depth.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

 

[Chapin Landvogt]