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Osakahaus

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You are leaving out a key item - games in hand

Rangers, Penguins, Sabres all have 2 games in hand on us.
which means absolute perfection. the isles HAVE to win at least 20 games btw if they want a shot at playoffs. they cannot afford to lose more than 13 games btw, not including today. they have just 33 games remaining. This is an absolutely STRESSFUL path to the playoffs! Add to the fact that the isles still have to face teams like Winnipeg, Toronto, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and New Jersey. This isn't gonna happen. I think the writing is on the wall, and its gonna get ugly over the next few months. I would love to be wrong, but looking at the month of March? Oh god.

yeah this team is genuinely lost because of this month of January.
 

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I live in the west and get to watch some of the teams later at night. I know I am in the minority but I love ESPN Plus! Watch the Sharks and the Canucks a lot and try to key in on Meier and Horvat. I believe most posters believe Meier would be a better fit, but is there an argument for Horvat?

I guess I ask because would the center be a need with possibly uniting Nelson and Barzal? Or, stop trying to complicate things and get a top flight winger and just keep Barzal at center, even though fit and style with him may be challenging?

Thanks in advance
I too love ESPN plus

Meier would be a great winger for Barzy, Horvat a great center. Horvat actually wins draws and also is a net front guy with a shot. Once the flow of 5 on 5 goes, Barzal will command ice in transition and Horvat will be the low guy.
Lou - "I still believe in this team the same way I did last summer" :mad:



Well...he does say it falls on him to make the team better....again taking responsibility...but no idea where that really gets us. But it is the first time i recall having seen him noticeably pissed by the play of the team....well as noticeably as Lou gets, lol.
I liked this interview. Lou made a media appearance when things were great earlier and now again at our bleakest. Doesn't shy away from accountability. Preaches patience in this interview. Does bother me he talks in GD and not winger for Barzy, that does worry me that he doesn't see it as a pressing need when Barzal has seen so many different linemates this season. I am ok with seeing the bigger team picture with that not being our only need. See my response below.

I wouldn't put it past Lou to make that deal for Chychrun instead of Meier that is of course the Devils might have stronger pieces to secure that deal. Ideally, I would love both, but dealing for one and then addressing the other with free agency may be the way this team moves forward.

Trade for Chychrun and sign Tank or Trade for Meier and sign Gavrikov or for a lesser deal for Gostisbehere.

"Lambert has been encouraged with the response of his players to the adversity. "Great group of guys," said the 58-year-old, who pointed to breaking out of the defensive zone efficiently as a key area of concern. "They respond and they care and they want to win. Guiding them in that direction is imperative.""


The article is about the Isles' lack of offense - maybe support for the idea that they're looking at a defenseman.

AZ appears to be asking for 2 first round picks at minimum. Chychrun won't help with a team that needs offensive help on the wing. Giving up 2 first round picks, will just put any quick rebuild back even further.

To further the Chychrun talk:

Not going to get into price because we know it's a high one but we can only speculate but I just want to point out how he'd help.

As of 1/25; Isles are 12th in GF for 5v5. I didnt do by game so I'm not sure if that helps or hurts the standing but that's good. Isles are also 12th in GA 5v5. Again, that's good. Isles are 5th in the league for PK.

I think you know where I'm going with this.



Watch his movement (granted, this is a highlight and a 6 on 4 scenario) ; That's 5 shot attempts and he isn't stagnant. Also look at the area of ice, that's where Bailey and Nelson go and we know they plant their feet and don't move enough. If we don't improve the powerplay this team isn't going anywhere.

Vs the Leafs we didn't have the feet moving as a D unit. Early on the D joined the rush more, for those 4 man transitions up ice. Aho was the only one to actually attempt bringing the puck up through the neutral zone. Chychrun would be a big help there. And his price is high because he's cost effective with his contract.

I also want a winger.

But I don't think trading for Chychrun is Lou ignoring the teams problems. I also think you can't accuse him of mortgaging the future for trading for a 24 year old dman.
 

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I beg your pardon, yes I did, mischievously I left that key detail out. In the 15 games leading up to the deadline we are playing 4 games against those 8 teams including a home and home with Pittsburgh. One could say that these 15 games are our playoffs. 9-6 and we should stand pat, 10-5 we add, 8-7 or worse and we sell the UFAS for bargain basement prices. We need as many top 100 picks as possible.
I'm in agreement that we need as many top picks as possible.. We won't come close to a 8-7 record in this span. Which is best for us, we all agree we aren' going anyone with this team. Time to retool
 
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Lou - "I still believe in this team the same way I did last summer" :mad:



I’m glad he finally made an appearance. Took ownership of the issues which is good. Amazing how coaching is great. Has Faith in the roster. And yet we have very poor results for a season and a half. Doesn’t really make sense. The spin is starting. Lou’s gotta go.
 

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I'm in agreement that we need as many top picks as possible.. We won't come close to a 8-7 record in this span. Which is best for us, we all agree we aren' going anyone with this team. Time to retool
well a retool is one thing, but do you wish to end up like the canucks? the "retool" absolutely KILLED them.
 

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15 games to the trading deadline. 10-5 is a minimum. They are 8 team’s vying for 3 playoff spots.

Rangers 59
Penguins 56
Capitals 56
Sabres 53
Panthers 52
Islanders 51

Just have to put 15 strong periods together, can they?
It’s realistically 5 teams for 2 spots. The Rags are in, sorry to say.

You could even add Detroit and Philly to make it 7 teams for 2 spots but those last 2 have no shot.
 

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what did lou expect? the team to play quick and fast?

this is the problem that we have as a team: we aint built to compete against teams like the canes, leafs, stars, knights, rangers, devils, bruins, and even the capitals. they're just so lost against the top 13 in the NHL.
i'm pretty sure he expected the new voice to exceed the old voice for better results which an old timer might define as "folly"
 

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well a retool is one thing, but do you wish to end up like the canucks? the "retool" absolutely KILLED them.
Vancouver is a special case, but fans don’t think of downside risk.

I too love ESPN plus

Meier would be a great winger for Barzy, Horvat a great center. Horvat actually wins draws and also is a net front guy with a shot. Once the flow of 5 on 5 goes, Barzal will command ice in transition and Horvat will be the low guy.



I liked this interview. Lou made a media appearance when things were great earlier and now again at our bleakest. Doesn't shy away from accountability. Preaches patience in this interview. Does bother me he talks in GD and not winger for Barzy, that does worry me that he doesn't see it as a pressing need when Barzal has seen so many different linemates this season. I am ok with seeing the bigger team picture with that not being our only need. See my response below.







To further the Chychrun talk:

Not going to get into price because we know it's a high one but we can only speculate but I just want to point out how he'd help.

As of 1/25; Isles are 12th in GF for 5v5. I didnt do by game so I'm not sure if that helps or hurts the standing but that's good. Isles are also 12th in GA 5v5. Again, that's good. Isles are 5th in the league for PK.

I think you know where I'm going with this.



Watch his movement (granted, this is a highlight and a 6 on 4 scenario) ; That's 5 shot attempts and he isn't stagnant. Also look at the area of ice, that's where Bailey and Nelson go and we know they plant their feet and don't move enough. If we don't improve the powerplay this team isn't going anywhere.

Vs the Leafs we didn't have the feet moving as a D unit. Early on the D joined the rush more, for those 4 man transitions up ice. Aho was the only one to actually attempt bringing the puck up through the neutral zone. Chychrun would be a big help there. And his price is high because he's cost effective with his contract.

I also want a winger.

But I don't think trading for Chychrun is Lou ignoring the teams problems. I also think you can't accuse him of mortgaging the future for trading for a 24 year old dman.

If the Isles trade for Chychrun, then my lord what does that say about Poluck? He’d go from #1 PP guy to #3. Yikes…
 
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Action talks BS walks

I'm sorry honey. I'll won't do it anymore
This time I really won't
I can't tell you how sorry I am again
I know it keeps happening!
This time I'm super duper sorry
Ok last time....
Please please please one more chance


Eventually people know your sorry and they know you mean it and it just gets to the point where it simply isn't good enough anymore
 

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Vancouver is a special case, but fans don’t think of downside risk.


If the Isles trade for Chychrun, then my lord what does that say about Poluck? He’d go from #1 PP guy to #3. Yikes…
fans really just want to see the team play good
 

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Vancouver is a special case, but fans don’t think of downside risk.


If the Isles trade for Chychrun, then my lord what does that say about Poluck? He’d go from #1 PP guy to #3. Yikes…
His fault, guy can’t move with the puck to create a lane
 

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If Lou still has faith in this roster, then he is losing it. But I guess that's really what he is expected to say anyhow...

So where did Lou think the Goals were coming from on this Roster?
Granted our D has scored way more at the sacrifice of allowing more goals, but these Forwards?
Who was supposed to light the lamp with regularity Lou?
One last thing, he keeps saying "It Takes Two". OK so Lou saying there was No Other Team willing to make any deal that would have improved our Roster all last Summer?
I Call B.S. Here sorry.
Can't have this man decide our next 4 to 6 years...
He Must Go, no more excuses....
Make him President and give him a new office with a Phone with the Lines cut.
He won't know the difference...
 
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It’s realistically 5 teams for 2 spots. The Rags are in, sorry to say.

You could even add Detroit and Philly to make it 7 teams for 2 spots but those last 2 have no shot.

The isles have no shot either, in fact id give the Redwings the same shot as the isles they have 3 less points in 3 less games. The isles are cooked. No goal scorers, and a tough schedule ahead. Time to sell our UFAs and get as many draft picks as possible. Stock thr cupboard and try again in 2-3 years.
 

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Perhaps that he's disappointed in his team and expects better. It's not uncommon for a GM to call out his team; they could respond favorably.
I mean, I get why a fan would want that, but a) it's not realistic if you've been paying attention to how he operates, and b) it's not particularly pragmatic at this point.
 
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But I don't think trading for Chychrun is Lou ignoring the teams problems. I also think you can't accuse him of mortgaging the future for trading for a 24 year old dman.

This is correct. I'd prefer him to make these types of trades, rather than accumulating draft picks that the team uses at the draft. Just get younger, more talented players on the roster/in the pipeline. Needing to wait for certain prospects to mature and figure things out means the team is in full rebuild mode and we'd be better off trading Sorokin and anything else of value now. Less 34 year olds, more 24 year olds is all I'm looking for.
 

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Vancouver is a special case, but fans don’t think of downside risk.


If the Isles trade for Chychrun, then my lord what does that say about Poluck? He’d go from #1 PP guy to #3. Yikes…
He should be off power play no matter who the other D are

Anyone have a summary of Lou's BS, err I mean informative press conference?
Lane's great. The players are great. I suck
 
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Mike C

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So where did Lou think the Goals were coming from on this Roster?
Granted our D has scored way more at the sacrifice of allowing more goals, but these Forwards?
Who was supposed to light the lamp with regularity Lou?
One last thing, he keeps saying "It Takes Two". OK so Lou saying there was No Other Team willing to make any deal that would have improved our Roster all last Summer?
I Call B.S. Here sorry.
Can't have this man decide our next 4 to 6 years...
He Must Go, no more excuses....
Make him President and give him a new office with a Phone with the Lines cut.
He won't know the difference...

Funny one!!

I think he thought Wally Palms and Barzal would be scoring. Sadly, I thought that as well!
 
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