Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[impaaaaaact]

Does Beau, Bellows, and Salo get JT Miller done? Whoever plays 3LD is going to get 13 mins a night anyway, will probably be upgraded if need be before deadline. Would kind of lock our whole lineup into place.

Lee - Miller -Barzal
Bailey - Nelson - Palmieri
Parise - Pageau - Wahlstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck
Johston Holmstrom

Pelech - Pulock
Romanov - Dobson
Cholowski - Mayfield
Aho

Sorokin
Varlamov

 

[seafoam]

Does Beau, Bellows, and Salo get JT Miller done? Whoever plays 3LD is going to get 13 mins a night anyway, will probably be upgraded if need be before deadline. Would kind of lock our whole lineup into place.

Lee - Miller -Barzal
Bailey - Nelson - Palmieri
Parise - Pageau - Wahlstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck
Johston Holmstrom

Pelech - Pulock
Romanov - Dobson
Cholowski - Mayfield
Aho

Sorokin
Varlamov

No.

VAN likely holds onto Miller until the deadline at this point and will want a 2023 1st (strong draft) + a roster player + prospect, especially since they can retain 50% on him and his cap hit would be less than 3M per. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see him return to TBL at the deadline and then go to the highest bidder in July.

 

[impaaaaaact]

No.

VAN likely holds onto Miller until the deadline at this point and will want a 2023 1st (strong draft) + a roster player + prospect, especially since they can retain 50% on him and his cap hit would be less than 3M per. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see him return to TBL at the deadline and then go to the highest bidder in July.

Yeahhh... that makes sense. Just wishful thinking I guess

 

[Islanders4Cups]

While we are talking about the fourth line, Clutterbuck is a warrior and bleeds orange and blue and if he is healthy he can add something offensively and defensively. If he can stay in the lineup (a big if with his game) he clearly is still a good fit with Casey.

I would say the same for Matty Marts who bleeds the colors but Matty just does not contribute enough and this team needs scoring contributions from everyone. I am afraid he is done

As for Ross Johnson, he is an enforcer which is needed at times for certain opponents but who contributes about as much as Matty Marts. Can he contribute more if given more ice time, I don’t know.

I want see what would happen if Casey and Clutter were paired with Otto Koivula.
It’s Koivula’s time to prove he belongs.

I hope Lamberts gives Koivula a real chance early on and see what happens.

 

[SI]

And a chief reason he spent basically the last 40 games playing next to Barzal.

Why does anyone think Lambert is going to be breaking up that combo?

I mean he might, but why would you assume that their going kick things off by fixing what ain't broke?

Because HE is the head coach now NOT Barry. I think the first thing a new coach would do is institute their system (even if they are similar in focus) and the next thing would be deployment - lines are going to be shuffled and new pairings will be experimented with during training camp.

Also, the success- didn’t really light the world on fire - pretty small sample size too.

The first thing Trotz did when he took over was break up Maty, Eberle, and Beau that had more success than Palms, Maty and Parise.

IMO, it is most likely Lee, but the more exciting choice would be to reunite Beau and Maty and maybe they are the medicine for each other

 

[SI]

Does Beau, Bellows, and Salo get JT Miller done? Whoever plays 3LD is going to get 13 mins a night anyway, will probably be upgraded if need be before deadline. Would kind of lock our whole lineup into place.

Lee - Miller -Barzal
Bailey - Nelson - Palmieri
Parise - Pageau - Wahlstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck
Johston Holmstrom

Pelech - Pulock
Romanov - Dobson
Cholowski - Mayfield
Aho

Sorokin
Varlamov

No way.

I think Miller gets moved at the deadline for a similar package that Flyers got for Giroux.

I see the Rangers as the likely destination - they will find out quick Trochek is not the answer at 2C

 

[SI]

Just a final shout out for a Sonny Milano signing -



Milano > Bellows and could push Parise down the depth chart to skate with Zeeker and Cal.

And Milano may even sign for the same or less than Bellows. I don’t believe Bellows gets claimed with a 1.2m price tag. We will see stronger players put on waivers this fall, I think Bellows would clear.

 

[BelovedIsles]

You know it's late August and NYI did nothing noteworthy when there's three pages about Matt Martin.

 

[Big L]

Just a final shout out for a Sonny Milano signing -



Milano > Bellows and could push Parise down the depth chart to skate with Zeeker and Cal.

And Milano may even sign for the same or less than Bellows. I don’t believe Bellows gets claimed with a 1.2m price tag. We will see stronger players put on waivers this fall, I think Bellows would clear.

Does anyone really look at what those % mean, or are we just making shit up at this point? making a chart, putting random % in there, throw some shades of red and blue in there. Like the stats on the right. Top line, left. Shots. 36%. WTf is that? 36% what? 36% of the shots he took we’re on net? He scored on 36% of the shots he took? He took 36% of the shots of his line while on the ice? W in TF is all this shit? Could be anything

finishing. 65%. Wtf does that mean?

teammates. 58%. What?

SMH

from all the blue and high % on the passes line, I’m guessing he’s another bailey. No?

 

[beach]

I know, and people always say that, but there has to be someone more complete for the roster right? Idk.

Of the three on that line last year, Clutter was the least of our problems.

 

[seafoam]

Does anyone really look at what those % mean, or are we just making shit up at this point? making a chart, putting random % in there, throw some shades of red and blue in there. Like the stats on the right. Top line, left. Shots. 36%. WTf is that? 36% what? 36% of the shots he took we’re on net? He scored on 36% of the shots he took? He took 36% of the shots of his line while on the ice? W in TF is all this shit? Could be anything

finishing. 65%. Wtf does that mean?

teammates. 58%. What?

SMH

from all the blue and high % on the passes line, I’m guessing he’s another bailey. No?

They’re microstats, bro.

 

[mm11]

Does anyone really look at what those % mean, or are we just making shit up at this point? making a chart, putting random % in there, throw some shades of red and blue in there. Like the stats on the right. Top line, left. Shots. 36%. WTf is that? 36% what? 36% of the shots he took we’re on net? He scored on 36% of the shots he took? He took 36% of the shots of his line while on the ice? W in TF is all this shit? Could be anything

finishing. 65%. Wtf does that mean?

teammates. 58%. What?

SMH

from all the blue and high % on the passes line, I’m guessing he’s another bailey. No?

Funny. I had a coach one time say:. Pass the f&&ckin puck to the f&&ckin point and put it in! Wonder if he was keeping micro stats.

 

[Big L]

They’re microstats, bro.

Ah that explains everything. Shots: 36%. Clear as a bell. What was I thinking

And who tf is Patrick Bacon and Corey Sznajder? What makes them experts on anything?

 

[PK Cronin]

Because HE is the head coach now NOT Barry. I think the first thing a new coach would do is institute their system (even if they are similar in focus) and the next thing would be deployment - lines are going to be shuffled and new pairings will be experimented with during training camp.

Also, the success- didn’t really light the world on fire - pretty small sample size too.

The first thing Trotz did when he took over was break up Maty, Eberle, and Beau that had more success than Palms, Maty and Parise.

IMO, it is most likely Lee, but the more exciting choice would be to reunite Beau and Maty and maybe they are the medicine for each other

 

[Mike C]

Funny. I had a coach one time say:. Pass the f&&ckin puck to the f&&ckin point and put it in! Wonder if he was keeping micro stats.

Guy asks Alonso was he was looking for in his game winning at bat yesterday. Pete said anything over the plate that I could put in play between the white lines

It's simple but it says it

People severely over complicate sports these days. Score 1 more than your opponent and you freaking win.

Hope all is well double M!

 

[GOLFWANG]

Sonny Milano is from Massapequa,

How do we not have a my cousin's roommate's brother's dog walker is the same dog walker as Sonny Milano's parents type dippin dots.

Also I saw Romanov playing with Pulock, Martin, Bailey, Sorokin. I am glad Romanov is practicing with some of them already.

 

[BrockLobster]

Does anyone really look at what those % mean, or are we just making shit up at this point? making a chart, putting random % in there, throw some shades of red and blue in there. Like the stats on the right. Top line, left. Shots. 36%. WTf is that? 36% what? 36% of the shots he took we’re on net? He scored on 36% of the shots he took? He took 36% of the shots of his line while on the ice? W in TF is all this shit? Could be anything

finishing. 65%. Wtf does that mean?

teammates. 58%. What?

SMH

from all the blue and high % on the passes line, I’m guessing he’s another bailey. No?

An awful lot of stats to calculate that he is a 30 pt player.

 

[MJF]

An awful lot of stats to calculate that he is a 30 pt player.

But those stats show that he has flashes of brilliance that could drive offense, if only he had the right linemates.

Oops. Wrong guy.

 

[Mike C]

Does anyone really look at what those % mean, or are we just making shit up at this point? making a chart, putting random % in there, throw some shades of red and blue in there. Like the stats on the right. Top line, left. Shots. 36%. WTf is that? 36% what? 36% of the shots he took we’re on net? He scored on 36% of the shots he took? He took 36% of the shots of his line while on the ice? W in TF is all this shit? Could be anything

finishing. 65%. Wtf does that mean?

teammates. 58%. What?

SMH

from all the blue and high % on the passes line, I’m guessing he’s another bailey. No?

Enough to make my freaking head spin Big L. I'm with MM. Pass, shoot, score.

 

[Sheva7]

Just a final shout out for a Sonny Milano signing -



Milano > Bellows and could push Parise down the depth chart to skate with Zeeker and Cal.

And Milano may even sign for the same or less than Bellows. I don’t believe Bellows gets claimed with a 1.2m price tag. We will see stronger players put on waivers this fall, I think Bellows would clear.

Dude nevermind Bellows.... Milano could very well bump Beavillier down the depth chart.

I would sign Milano for that very reason too. What exactly has Beavillier done recently to cement his spot in the top 6?? Same goes for Bailey and Palms! They haven't done enough imo, especially after last season. Those spots should be up for grabs.

Think about it, last season Wahlstrom was the only one held accountable. Guy was in the dog house all year while the other fwds got off scott free. So, I'd have no qualms bringing in some healthy competition. Let them fight it out. Earn your spot!

Someone like Sonny could be exactly what the doctor ordered. He's young, skilled and won't cost much at all.

Lou should be considering this strongly.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Lou should be considering this strongly.

He surely has been... Like all the other GMs in the league over the past month and a half.

Someone recently mentioned FLA as a destination. They're over the cap at the moment, but that's just the kind of team Milano should be looking to sign with.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

An awful lot of stats to calculate that he is a 30 pt player.

Misleading.

He paced .5+ PPG this past season.

 

[NC 1972]

You are too kind!



No doubt their age and the noticeable lack of mobility it entailed hampered this team's transition game considerably. Love both as heart 'n sould guys with surely lots to contribute in the locker room, but it was simply too much to go from Toews and Leddy to Chara and Greene within two seasons.



I believe it's one of the absolute chief assignments Lambert has. He has to find a role for these guys. They cannot spend this season being what they were last season. It must be determined if they're part of the long-term solution as a contributing piece of a winning puzzle here.

Lambert has that task now.



Wow, that is very impressive! You're quite the diehard.

I mean, I know there are fans this dedicated out there, but you're one of the first I'm encountering personally. Color me envious!

And respect!



That may be. I'm going to think that Lou and Lambert are, barring trade/injury, going to have the traditional 4th line intact on opening night. Just can't see that going down any other way.



You're surely not the only one. I just think that if this team is going to make another Cup run this season, then that 4th line is going to have to have another hurrah, particularly when the playoffs roll around. It'll need to be the dicey thorn-in-the-side it was in its best hours.

But in order for that to happen, they'll have to be given plenty of rest along the way - I'd think.



I think a lot of the guys on this team have needed a rest. It's not just the two conference finals taking their toll, but also the incredible tightness of the Pandemic-related schedules along the way.

I'm hoping everyone will come to camp fresher than in years past - and with a chip on their shoulder. When you've done as much winning as these guys have in recent years, a season like last season really nags on you.

Let's hope that's all they needed to get them over the top.

I get what your saying , however a normal schedule is 82 games over the last 4 years the NYI have averaged 84.5 games and yes more then some less then others. These are well conditioned athletes, I think age is a bigger issue on this team considering the way they were asked to play. Given the collective skill set.

 

[Mike C]

I get what your saying , however a normal schedule is 82 games over the last 4 years the NYI have averaged 84.5 games and yes more then some less then others. These are well conditioned athletes, I think age is a bigger issue on this team considering the way they were asked to play. Given the collective skill set.

Most of last year's schedule was condensed and back loaded in the 2nd half too. Totally agree that style of play definitely played a part but also agree with those that say that style was the only way for Barry to keep the team competitive considering the various limitations of speed and in some cases declining/not good enough skill

Nelson said a bunch of times toward the end of last season that the team was mentally and physically worn down

As someone (probably several actually) have posted. Barry squeezed more lemonade out of them than anyone could.

 

[MatthewBarnabysTears]

Look at this roster—the last thing we need is another bottom six veteran locked into a guaranteed deal. Unless we’re adding an established scorer, might as well just maintain the flexibility to the deadline.