Roster Building XXI: It Gon' Go Down.

[Nikishin Go Boom]

is that viewed as team friendly?

the value yes, the AAV shield the childrens eyes

 

[chaz4hockey]

the value yes, the AAV shield the childrens eyes

win-win for both player and team?

8 year gets him to age 30 and if play holds positions him for another big contract.

btw: presuming true for both Guentzel and Jarvy, it would seem players like it hear and want to allow the team to field a stronger roster.

 

[bleedgreen]

win-win for both player and team?

8 year gets him to age 30 and if play holds positions him for another big contract.

If I were him I wouldn’t want the 8 years unless it’s a big overpay.

 

[htdoc]

If that lebrun article is remotely accurate on stamkos, then I can see why they going to July 1... and he likely sees more money thrown at him than what Tampa can or was wants to offer.

Interesting how they were trying to subvert the cap again with a long term deal that they go into it with all parties expect he will not actually play through its term just to get the aav down. I hadn't seen many of those deals recently when they tried to change the year to year variation to the point it really didn't make sense and the league tried to scare the crap out of GMs to make them stop doing kovalchuk like things. But Tampa having to get desperate due to how bad their cap situation is...


We likely wouldn't get involved given his age given how we have treated other older players... but a right shot center winger who can still pot 40+ even as his speed is slowing down? But stranger things have happened.......

 

[robbieberns]

I think a 6 year deal at 6.75-7.25 would be fair for both the Csnes and Jarvis. He gets a little less AAV for not signing until he’s 30, but gets a chance at 28 to get that max term high dollar deal which would be a lot more palatable having any guy signed until 36 instead of 38.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If that lebrun article is remotely accurate on stamkos, then I can see why they going to July 1... and he likely sees more money thrown at him than what Tampa can or was wants to offer.

Interesting how they were trying to subvert the cap again with a long term deal that they go into it with all parties expect he will not actually play through its term just to get the aav down. I hadn't seen many of those deals recently when they tried to change the year to year variation to the point it really didn't make sense and the league tried to scare the crap out of GMs to make them stop doing kovalchuk like things. But Tampa having to get desperate due to how bad their cap situation is...


We likely wouldn't get involved given his age given how we have treated other older players... but a right shot center winger who can still pot 40+ even as his speed is slowing down? But stranger things have happened.......

that makes total sense as I mentioned this as possibility weeks ago. Shoot I would consider giving Stamkos 3.5 x 8 deal. Let him go to LTIR in 4-5 years when we need him to for cap space

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I think a 6 year deal at 6.75-7.25 would be fair for both the Csnes and Jarvis. He gets a little less AAV for not signing until he’s 30, but gets a chance at 28 to get that max term high dollar deal which would be a lot more palatable having any guy signed until 36 instead of 38.

Why would the Canes want to sign him for anything less than 8?

 

[bleedgreen]

Why would the Canes want to sign him for anything less than 8?

I’m sure they want him at 8 years, but he might not want 8. Which basically makes it the Aho situation. If I were him I’d want five years. Gives him one chance at ufa in his prime years.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Dang Seravalli saying Gibson doenst have a market. "No one wants him"

 

[SlavinAway]

Dang Seravalli saying Gibson doenst have a market. "No one wants him"

Not super surprising given the reports that they don't want to retain.

 

[robbieberns]

Why would the Canes want to sign him for anything less than 8?

It’s more so that us caving on the max years would lead to a lower AAV, maybe less mutually beneficial and more of a respectful compromise.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Necas to Philly for their first after that Atkinson buyout?

This might cause Torts to stroke out, so I'm down. I'm sure most of hfphilly would be as well.

 

[FreshSeabass]

sounds like no first round pick deal happening for necas. Right around 26:25

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

sounds like no first round pick deal happening for necas. Right around 26:25

I wasn't expecting it LOL

 

[Brock Anton]

lmao wasn't Seravalli the guy who said Necas would be traded before the start of the SCF?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

lmao wasn't Seravalli the guy who said Necas would be traded before the start of the SCF?

Yup, he was the guy. I kind of agree, though, that too many things have to go right simultaneously for Necas to be dealt tonight.

 

[robbieberns]

Would love a Guentzel announcement in the next two hours to make a Necas deal that much more realistic

 

[WreckingCrew]

Would love a Guentzel announcement in the next two hours to make a Necas deal that much more realistic

I think the two are 100% inter-linked

Plan A: keep Guentz, trade Necas for the best offer
Plan B: Guentz goes to FA and signs elsewhere, keep Necas on a short deal
Plan C: lose Guentz, only trade Necas for a targeted piece pending other moves

 

[Brock Anton]

It feels like the entire league is being held up by Guentzel/Necas.

 

[WreckingCrew]

It feels like the entire league is being held up by Guentzel/Necas.

Insiders are hitting at a good solid 0% today... basically everything they've thought was going to happen has fallen through

 

[Brock Anton]

Insiders are hitting at a good solid 0% today... basically everything they've thought was going to happen has fallen through

Which is what usually happens on draft day. Insiders talk about how all these big names are going to be moved and how 5 of the top 10 picks are in play, only for nothing but a couple pick swaps in the 20's to happen. Then afterwards, they just say "oh, the prices were too high".

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Which is what usually happens on draft day. Insiders talk about how all these big names are going to be moved and how 5 of the top 10 picks are in play, only for nothing but a couple pick swaps in the 20's to happen. Then afterwards, they just say "oh, the prices were too high".

Too many things have to go right, and there's still this sort of tendency to be unreasonably conservative with draft picks sometimes. There hasn't yet been this "NBA moment" where GMs freely trade and swap draft picks like candy.

 

[bleedgreen]

Well I’m sure they’re waiting on announcing a trade just so they can announce it during the beginning of the draft. “We have a trade to announce….”

But it won’t be groundbreaking and they’ll talk about it during down moments when they can’t think of anything else to say.

Draft day in Hartford in another lifetime we drafted O’Neill at five and I had a pretty up close view of when Gary said those magical words. The Leafs traded Wendell Clark to the Nords for
Mats Sundin. That was a draft day doozy.

 

[User13452]

Nothing is gonna happen this happens every year at the draft only moves will be teams moving up and down in the draft. Longer this plays out more likely Guentzel ain’t coming back

 

[WreckingCrew]

Which is what usually happens on draft day. Insiders talk about how all these big names are going to be moved and how 5 of the top 10 picks are in play, only for nothing but a couple pick swaps in the 20's to happen. Then afterwards, they just say "oh, the prices were too high".

Are YOU an insider? You seem to know exactly how they work...