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Roster Building XVII: Some Of Us Like Some Parts Of Our Group
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spockBokk
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The Canes had been scouting OTT and my bet was that Norris was one of the guys they may have been keeping tabs on, outside of the obvious candidates in Tarasenko and/or Chychrun.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Tarasenko is a guy you give 1 x 3.5 million contract in FA but not a guy you spend a ton on for a rental.
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No to tank. No way. Unless they want an even up for pesce which makes zero sense.
I'd almost move pesce for an expiring forward even up to a playoff team desperate for D. No idea who that might be. Tda would be fine with skjei. Hardly worse than pesce has been.
If we went for chycryn it would have to be to replace either skjei or orlov. Pesce is a RD and chycryn a left.
That still leaves you paying 8m for a failed 3rd pair LD.
He also has a nmc and only one year left. Not sure ottowa does this unless they can't sign him. He'd be a good skjei replacement for sure if you could lock him up to an extension.
I'd almost move pesce for an expiring forward even up to a playoff team desperate for D. No idea who that might be. Tda would be fine with skjei. Hardly worse than pesce has been.
If we went for chycryn it would have to be to replace either skjei or orlov. Pesce is a RD and chycryn a left.
That still leaves you paying 8m for a failed 3rd pair LD.
He also has a nmc and only one year left. Not sure ottowa does this unless they can't sign him. He'd be a good skjei replacement for sure if you could lock him up to an extension.
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As a 20-30 game backup, it's very expensive. But if Anderson is a 20-30 game backup, then things have gone very very right with Pyotr.
Easy to forget Kotchekov only has 54 career starts in 3 seasons, and was pretty bad in his postseason appearances.
The real role is insurance, and I think that's worth a million or two to not have the season be lost because the #1 goes down.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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I'd be shocked if Tkachuk is traded, but considering that the Canes were runner-ups for Matt, they likely would be the overwhelming favorites for Brady. This is the kind of player who would be worth a bidding war, even more so than Pettersson considering the term remaining.
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but how can we pass up Saros for Necas and a 1st???
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Necas still has game breaking moments. I'd hate to get rid of him, especially considering with a real 2C he could ignite.
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he IS the real 2C. I'm still upset we haven't given him a shot there
Agree. Beyond speed, he has arguably the best shot on the team. Weakness beyond brain freeze giveaways is that he doesn’t get to dirty areas (which Tkachuk would).
In a greedy world, I’d like both.
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Necas had Trocheck but it didnt work. So the saying that he could ignite with a 'real 2c' is disingenuous. its about finding someone with chemistry with Necas
he has far too many turnovers and inconsistent defensive effort to be a successful center in this system.
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tired narrative.
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But hes a 100ft player. in our system a forward needs to be basically a Selke type. Even KK is better here.
I also think Nachos doesn't turn things over as much as the eye sees. It's just his style and the way he plays. If you read the stats they don't add up to him bing a turnover machine.
He needs power forward type center, imo. Either way we should not cut Nachos loose.
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so he is 4th worst in Giveaways per 60 as a regularly playing forward this season. that is a glaring review?tired narrative.
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and if this stat would show where these TOs occur you would see the amount of bad turnovers Necas has very high in the O zone that lead usually lead to breaks that other way.
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With regards to D - If we let both Sjkei and Pesce go we are going to have genuine problems on the back end next year. And that's IF Slavin or Burns don't decline or have a Pesce type year.
This is part of my argument for keeping Skjei, and offering Chatfield fair pay. Chats is easily worth what Cole or Hakkenpaa is. And we should pay it to keep him. I would give him term too, to lessen the AAV$. He's only 27. Skjei is far better than Orlov. And he is showing no signs of decline unlike Pesce. I think Skjei would be fine for 6. Maybe he's the next Burns with less offensive upside through his 30s? IDK. You could probably have Skjei for 6 and Chats for 4(?) for just a little more than what you have in Orlov. That gets you to Morrow and (hopefully) Nikishin with the hope of say Sellgren or Nystrom panning out too. Throw in TDA next to Skjei because that works and you have a pretty damn good D next year.
The way I see it, you're going to HAVE to try and re-sign Skjei or Pesce, and of those two I take Skjei and give him the term. Loyalty with Pesce went when he wouldn't sign. Now he's had a shit year and will have to test the market on the tail end of it.
My pick for D next year would be:
Slavin - Burns
Sjkei (signed for 6. yes I said 6)-TDA (if had cheap like this year) or UFA
Nystrom / Sellgren / UFA unknown Chatfield (If had for say 2.5M or so?)
Most Likely right now (this defense will suck, bad.)
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Nystom / Sellgren / UFA - TDA / UFA (which makes a brutal 3rd pair)
This is part of my argument for keeping Skjei, and offering Chatfield fair pay. Chats is easily worth what Cole or Hakkenpaa is. And we should pay it to keep him. I would give him term too, to lessen the AAV$. He's only 27. Skjei is far better than Orlov. And he is showing no signs of decline unlike Pesce. I think Skjei would be fine for 6. Maybe he's the next Burns with less offensive upside through his 30s? IDK. You could probably have Skjei for 6 and Chats for 4(?) for just a little more than what you have in Orlov. That gets you to Morrow and (hopefully) Nikishin with the hope of say Sellgren or Nystrom panning out too. Throw in TDA next to Skjei because that works and you have a pretty damn good D next year.
The way I see it, you're going to HAVE to try and re-sign Skjei or Pesce, and of those two I take Skjei and give him the term. Loyalty with Pesce went when he wouldn't sign. Now he's had a shit year and will have to test the market on the tail end of it.
My pick for D next year would be:
Slavin - Burns
Sjkei (signed for 6. yes I said 6)-TDA (if had cheap like this year) or UFA
Nystrom / Sellgren / UFA unknown Chatfield (If had for say 2.5M or so?)
Most Likely right now (this defense will suck, bad.)
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Nystom / Sellgren / UFA - TDA / UFA (which makes a brutal 3rd pair)
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check again pal, lol. Aho is 4th worst (so he probably should be a winger too), Necas is 10th worst. our only top 6 player better than Necas in terms of not giving the puck away is Jarvis.
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And jarvis needs to be locked up for 8. Kid is a damn national treasure. The effort he put in last night should be memorialized in oil and hung in the pnc.
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my apologies Necas being 6th makes it so much better. And again, its not about the overall number of giveaways but where they happen. Necas' are usually in really bad areas.
while Aho and KK have gotten better after a bad start to the season, Necas has remained consistent with Bunting in the number of giveaways per 60. Necas is almost at 2 since December 10th. Aho drops to 1.83 and KK drops to 2.11.
that is just one point of the center argument though. He is inconsistent with defensive effort.
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Necas needs to play with some more skilled linemates. Bunting and Drury are not fit to play with Necas
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If there’s one thing I’m not really worried about this front office being able to do - it’s their ability to replace defenseman. They have an almost impeccable record at that.
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the problem is we have tried Necas with KK, Svech, Tro, Nino, Aho, etc since he has come into the league and has been unable to develop a good, consistent line with any of them.
Svech-KK-Necas was good in a short burst. didnt last
Dzingle-Haula-Necas worked in a short burst
Nino/Foegele-Tro-Necas couldnt get going
Svech-Aho-Necas hasnt worked
TheReelChuckFletcher
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Yes, agreed. I still think that there's an underrated chance that Pesce sticks around because the league tends to have a difficult time evaluating defensive metrics in financial terms.
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