Roster Building XIX - Did we blow the deadline? Need to ask the magic 8-ball

[Stickpucker]

I can't express how much i hate this type of quote.

He believes they talked ullmark. Just his guess based on our goalie situation at the time - big stretch there. Doesn't know if it involved necas. No shit, motherf***er - you don't know if it involved ullmark either. All you know is they talked. What you 'believe' doesn't mean shit. Guesswork about a goalie is logical, so the listener buys in, then you throw out a 'hot' name for clicks - f*** you.

I think it's more likely the Canes talked about Debrusk.

Re Jarvis at c.

He may well be able to play the position but I'm not too fond of Aho and Jarvos as 1 and 2 c.

Makes the Canes too small down the middle and have an even harder time getting to the middle of the ice, especially in the POs.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Calling about Ullmark is perfectly logical under the circumstances. That doesn’t mean much moving forward as the circumstances have changed.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If the Canes aren't planning to buyout KK and have trade suitors for him, I wonder if they know exactly which UFAs and RFAs they want to keep and have determined that they don't truly need to create dead cap hits to dump any cap space. If they simply plan on retaining Jarvis, Drury, Guentzel, Skjei, and one of Chatfield/Martinook, they don't have to dump cap via KK by any means.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ullmark, Hronek and Lindholm should all be avoided for varying reasons this offseason

 

[A Star is Burns]

I've said for a couple of years now I'd easily keep Skjei over Pesce. I'd be pretty happy if things went that way, best wishes to Brett. I could live with Hronek in a Necas deal, but it'd certainly have to be at a reasonable extension number. Sure, the $8 million number is being thrown out, but he's not going to start out asking low. I could live with a deal to bring in Ullmark to replace Freddie, but not for Necas unless more is involved coming back to us. I'd hope we could do better in a Necas deal than either of those, but I think there are ways those could work out fine. I don't think it'd be shocking to see Koko get moved to another team. Even with the struggles this year, he looks like he could be an effective 3C, which we just can't easily offer. His price isn't crazy for that. I hope they find a way to get Guentzel locked up.

 

[Unsustainable]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1794024151637729696

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1794024151637729696

I wonder if the final extension number for Guentzel is around the 8x8M/yr number, maybe a little less or a little more. If the Guentzel camp is expecting offers around 7x9M/yr or 7x9.5M/yr, then an 8th year bringing the cap hit down to the 8M range isn't far off from market value.

 

[Unsustainable]

I wonder if the final extension number for Guentzel is around the 8x8M/yr number, maybe a little less or a little more. If the Guentzel camp is expecting offers around 7x9M/yr or 7x9.5M/yr, then an 8th year bringing the cap hit down to the 8M range isn't far off from market value.

8x8.5m has been my guess with a 6year NMC and 2year NTC at the end of it.

 

[Unsustainable]

Necas and KK to Van for Hronek and Hoglander?

Slavin - Hronek
Skjei - Burns
Orlov - Morrow

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Necas and KK to Van for Hronek and Hoglander?

Slavin - Hronek
Skjei - Burns
Orlov - Morrow

Hronek is a 4D at best. Pass.

 

[SlavinAway]

Hronek is a 4D at best. Pass.

What are you basing this on?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What are you basing this on?

His play. He was just a middle of the road defender in Detroit and was only so again this year.

His stats were heavily carried by hughes despite his meh defensive play

Really exposed in the playoffs

 

[chaz4hockey]

I don't see the Canucks as a fair trade partner giving them KK & Necas.

They are not giving us Petey, Hughes, Boeser nor Demko (I'd give them Freddie+ for him though) and the balance of their available roster is meh (Joseph I like but he is a UFA).

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I don't see the Canucks as a fair trade partner giving them KK & Necas.

They are not giving us Petey, Hughes, Boeser nor Demko (I'd give them Freddie+ for him though) and the balance of their available roster is meh (Joseph I like but he is a UFA).

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Tom Willander makes sense as a Necas centerpiece, but if they acquire him, they would likely need a stop-gap signing at RD for next season.

 

[SlavinAway]

Tom Willander makes sense as a Necas centerpiece, but if they acquire him, they would likely need a stop-gap signing at RD for next season.

I don't see any chance Willander is on the table in a Necas deal.

They will scoff the same way we did when people threw Nikishin in proposals leading up to the TDL.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Necas and KK to Van for Hronek and Hoglander?

Slavin - Hronek
Skjei - Burns
Orlov - Morrow

Hronek asking $8M is a hard stop...and yea I don't think he's a top pairing guy either.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I don't see any chance Willander is on the table in a Necas deal.

Likely not, but my point is that any Necas trade should be focused on either established RHDs or RHD prospects. With Pesce likely leaving in UFA and Burns a retirement candidate after next season, they'll need one more guy at that position, along with Morrow, long-term.

 

[SlavinAway]

I wouldn't want Hronek at $8M by any means but Skjei wasn't seen differently when we acquired him at that age either.

 

[Chrispy]

I wouldn't want Hronek at $8M by any means but Skjei wasn't seen differently when we acquired him at that age either.

1) Skjei was acquired to play second pairing.

2) more importantly, Skjei was signed for 4 more seasons.

 

[WreckingCrew]

1) Skjei was acquired to play second pairing.

2) more importantly, Skjei was signed for 4 more seasons.

3) more more importantly, not asking for $8M

 

[SlavinAway]

2) more importantly, Skjei was signed for 4 more seasons.

Obviously a deal would be contingent on contract. Say his actual ask is around 6 instead of 8 you could have a RHD locked up through his prime.

 

[Chrispy]

Obviously a deal would be contingent on contract. Say his actual ask is around 6 instead of 8 you could have a RHD locked up through his prime.

(Yes, it's Friday of a holiday weekend and I'm getting punchy.)

 

[robbieberns]

I think a Hronek paired with Slavin and given a bit more free reign to do the offensive stuff he did in Detroit would look a lot better than the Hronek tasked with the more defensive responsibilities being paired with Hughes.

I think if we do see a deal for him and Necas and we could get him signed at a more respectable 6.75-7.25 range everyone would be pleasantly surprised with what he’d bring.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I think a Hronek paired with Slavin and given a bit more free reign to do the offensive stuff he did in Detroit would look a lot better than the Hronek tasked with the more defensive responsibilities being paired with Hughes.

I think if we do see a deal for him and Necas and we could get him signed at a more respectable 6.75-7.25 range everyone would be pleasantly surprised with what he’d bring.

So TDA with slightly better defense. The guy doesn’t do well net front

 

[SlavinAway]

So TDA with slightly better defense. The guy doesn’t do well net front

I think this is a tad bit disingenuous.