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Lempo

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If someone wants to google translate (and someone please do),


I can't do the whole thing as I'm currently on mobile, but the web headline is even more gold than the print:

A young citizen from Porirua became a tool for the billionaire's childish egotism - yes, now Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in a downward spiral
Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in a bad downward direction, writes news manager Juha Hiitelä

My Poriruan heart cries. And screams into the abyss, obviously.
 

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He doesnt play big though. But as a replacement for Burns, sure. I think Sens would have to add to this trade. I am not high on him.

I think Canes should go pickup Brossoit, who, at least to my eye test, outplayed Hellebuyck, he just looked much more agile. He is a solid 1a/1b goalie, and I doubt his contract will scare anyone away. I'd run with him next playoffs.

Necas for Ehlers, if you can get Ehlers on a fair contract, might make sense, 1 for 1. Ehlers has the best plus minus stat on the Jets for a reason, +27 for the whole season, without playing on the pp, usually slotted on the 2nd line. He usually makes other players better by creating space, a bit of an agent of chaos, has the best zone entries, but they cant be too slow on the rush. And there needs to be some turnovers he can take advantage of with his speed.

I think Rod can get a lot more out of his speed and tenacity. Rod does need to coach some turnovers out of his game, without killing his creativity, which i think he is the guy for. And from reports Canes has had their eyes on him for a while. If he is willing to sign long term, at a fair rate, I think there is a deal to be made. His full potential needs to be unlocked, seeing the Jets dont think he will re-sign there, or else I doubt he would be available.
Ehlers doesn’t solve any issues.

Injury problems
Perimeter based player
Doesn’t show up in the playoffs
Older
Contract isnt a savings for next year

Brossoit is primed to be another backup who struggles to become a starter. But someone like Toronto, Seattle or the like will overpay him because they need a goalie pretty bad
 
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He doesnt play big though. But as a replacement for Burns, sure. I think Sens would have to add to this trade. I am not high on him.

I think Canes should go pickup Brossoit, who, at least to my eye test, outplayed Hellebuyck, he just looked much more agile. He is a solid 1a/1b goalie, and I doubt his contract will scare anyone away. I'd run with him next playoffs.

Necas for Ehlers, if you can get Ehlers on a fair contract, might make sense, 1 for 1. Ehlers has the best plus minus stat on the Jets for a reason, +27 for the whole season, without playing on the pp, usually slotted on the 2nd line. He usually makes other players better by creating space, a bit of an agent of chaos, has the best zone entries, but they cant be too slow on the rush. And there needs to be some turnovers he can take advantage of with his speed.

I think Rod can get a lot more out of his speed and tenacity. Rod does need to coach some turnovers out of his game, without killing his creativity, which i think he is the guy for. And from reports Canes has had their eyes on him for a while. If he is willing to sign long term, at a fair rate, I think there is a deal to be made. His full potential needs to be unlocked, seeing the Jets dont think he will re-sign there, or else I doubt he would be available.
Username checks out…

Of course you think Necas for Ehlers makes sense from a Jets perspective. Makes no sense from a Canes’ perspective.
 

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Ok, did it myself. All by myself, to quite a Canadiens fan.

The young man from Pori became the tool of the billionaire's childish egotism - and now Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in a downward spiral

Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in a bad downward direction, writes news manager Juha Hiitelä.

Pori attacker Jesperi Kotkaniemi has become a target through no fault of his own.

Pori attacker Jesperi Kotkaniemi has become a target through no fault of his own. PHOTO: JARED C, TILTON / MAGAZINE PHOTO

Juha Hiitäla

21.5. 16:30 | Updated on 21.5. 21:04

PHOTO: PETE AARRE-AHTIO / IS

For years, the CAROLINA Hurricanes have been the favorite child of the media and social media circles that follow the NHL.

The story has been good. The new owner has invested more money in the team, the club does things differently than others and has acted on social media in a brash, visible and, according to many, entertaining way.

This spring, when the team's season ended in the second round, deeper criticism was heard for the first time.

Why does a team fail in the playoffs every spring? Why isn't Carolina doing anything about its goaltending situation? Why is scoring so difficult for the team?

During the playoffs, the Hurricanes caused an uproar when it was revealed that the club had offered longtime head coach Rod Brind'Amour a contract extension, but withdrew the contract offer.

It was considered unheard of.

But when the season ended, the club announced that the head coach had received a new contract extension, which according to media reports is no less than five years.

The HURRICANES have numerous players whose contracts expire this season. Because of the salary cap, Carolina can't keep everyone, so the team is forced to reform.

But in the big picture, the Hurricanes plan to continue as they have been. The management of the club is strongly based on statistical analysis and they trust that sooner or later the statistics will turn in their favor.

To put it drastically simplified: when you shoot a lot, sooner or later a lot of pucks go in as well.

In the WHOLE sopa and chronic underperformance, one small piece is Pori's son Jesperi Kotkaniemi. Elliotte Friedman, an inside reporter for the Canadian media company Sportsnet, estimated in his podcast over the weekend that due to salary cap problems, the Hurricanes might buy out Kotkaniemi's contract.

If this were to happen, it would be the end of a saga that is strongly associated with the billionaire's injured – perhaps even a little childish – ego.

It all started in the summer of 2019, when the Montreal Canadiens offered a long and lucrative contract to the Hurricanes' number one star, Sebastian Aho.

Aho's contract with Carolina had expired, and Aho signed the Canadiens' offer. But since Aho was a restricted free agent, the Hurricanes were able to keep him by offering Aho the exact same deal.

Montreal's trick is called the offer sheet in English. It's a perfectly legal action, written into the league's collective bargaining agreement, but extremely rare.

Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon was enraged by Montreal's attempt to "rob" Aho and naturally retaliated.

Kotkaniemi unwittingly got into the middle of stupid egotistical pranks.

According to insider sources, he practically ordered Carolina to make an offer sheet to the Canadiens' Kotkaniemi, who was in the same situation two years later.

The Hurricanes offered Kotkaniemi US$6,100,015 on a one-year contract. $20 of the contract was a signing fee.

Coincidentally, Aho's game number is 20.

The CANADIENS thought for seven days and decided not to offer the same. As compensation, it received two reserve shifts from Carolina.

Kotkaniemi thus unintentionally got into the middle of a completely stupid egoistic prank.

The Canadiens did not offer Kotkaniemi a contract, even though he was the club's first-round backup. In the view of the Canadian club, Kotkaniemi was not yet a player worth six million dollars. In addition, the Canadiens should have automatically offered him a raise a year later to keep his rights in Montreal.

It was already rumored that the Hurricanes had negotiated a long extension contract with Kotkaniemi. In March of the following year, the club announced a contract worth eight years and 38 million dollars with the Pori player.

While all the commotion was going on, Kotkaniemi was a young player in his twenties who was just building his NHL career.

He had had expectations of a first-round pick in Montreal, which were even a little unrealistic.

Kotkaniemi charmed the Canadiens club and coaching management at his first training camp in the fall of 2018. Contrary to expectations, the Canadiens did not send him to marinate back in Pori and Ässi.

From that moment on, the Kotkaniemi's three seasons in Montreal were more or less a struggle for survival. The offer sheet commotion just slapped a bigger target on his back.

Kotkaniemi is a good player, a promising puck player, but he is by no means NHL superstar level. The hype around him, first in Montreal and then in Carolina, has affected his development.

This season, Kotkaniemi occasionally played in the Hurricanes' four chain. The balance of the season was 72 regular season matches, 12 goals and 15 assists and 11 matches and one assist in the playoffs.

So definitely not the power of the solution player.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in danger of drifting into a downward spiral.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi's career is in danger of drifting into a downward spiral. PHOTO: CHRISTIAN PETERSEN / MAGAZINE PHOTO

IN MONTREAL, the club management that did the Aho trick has since received the boot. The reasonableness of making that contract can be considered, but the Canadiens needed a number one center, technically speaking, Aho was available and the contract offered to him was not outrageous considering the level of the Finnish player.

But Carolina didn't need Kotkaniemi. At least not significantly overpriced.

It was just pure owner egoism. Dundon, who made his fortune by trading car financing, has made it clear on several occasions that he considers himself to be a slightly better and smarter owner than others.

The Canadiens' decision directly hit his ego and Dundon decided to get revenge.

The sufferer was Kotkaniemi.

Of course, EVERYONE can say that Kotkaniemi shouldn't have signed a contract with Carolina, but honestly: Who in his early twenties turns down six million dollars? When it comes to a sport where one injury can end a career or ruin a life.

If Carolina buys out the rest of Kotkaniemi's contract, he will still have a comfortable compensation of around 10 million dollars, which will be paid to him in equal amounts over several years.

But in terms of games, his career has taken a back seat for a long time. It's salvageable because it's a young player. But was it really worth all this?

Carolina only has a small burden on the salary cap. But at least the owner got his ego satisfied.
 

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From @Lempo 's translation:

"For years, the CAROLINA Hurricanes have been the favorite child of the media and social media circles that follow the NHL."

Yeeeaaaaahhhhh, things really are different in Finland.
Per DW, wait until they see Jarvis this summer live. Finland will never be the same.
 

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every game. KK did not distinguish himself in either round. he's slow and a lazy skater. I want the kid to work out, trust me, but my eyes are not betraying me on him. His play was really bad this season. No jump, no confidence in carrying the puck and slow to react or position himself on D. It looked like he was paying hurt or had zero confidence for much of the year. Fearful of making a mistake kind of thing.

His play during the regular season was poor. His play during the playoffs was very good. He was engaged, he was physical, and he was generating chances. None were converted, because he's still KK, but it's wrong to say he didn't have a good playoff run.
 

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One of my priorities for this summer would be getting bigger in the forwards department, particularly the top 6 if we can. I know that guys like Guentzel and Jarvis are great at forechecking and puck retrievals/possession despite their size, but I worry about the natural lack of dynamics offered when too many of our guys are the same profile/build.
 

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Unpopular position.....I'd take Martin Necas 10 out of 10 times over an $8 million plus Guentzel. I'd also give KK one more bite at the apple. Started out the season great and fell off. Played well the year before....and as others have said actually had a good playoff.

When you take Blake, Nadeau, and Seeley out of the salary structure, we've got 14 guys signed with a bit over $30 million in cap space. If we can't get the deal we want with Jarvis, then you bridge him (2 years) at Bratt money.

Necas is a unique talent that we need to figure out how to fit into our system. As was said, we let him go and he lights us up every time we play against him. I do wonder if we could get Konecny or somebody like Batherson....the 1st for futures and the latter in a hockey trade. I'd also like us to make a run at Crouse, but I think Utak would be silly to let him go....unless a star came back.

Personally, I think the key question is Kuznetsov....it would all depend on if he could recommit to everything hockey. If so, he's our 2nd line center. If not, then I'm guessing we give Jarvis a shot.

I'm not sure what the lines would look like. But it is our defense that seems to be in the most turmoil. I'm assuming we re-sign Chatfield, so we have 4 out of 6 d-men signed. We'll need somebody to babysit Morrow, so who knows who that would be. I do recall that Brett Pesce played his off side quite well, so I wonder if that's an option.

Anyway, sorry for the random speculation....it just seems that we'll have to do some significant personnel changes.
 
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The more I think about it the more I think Pesce will be back. I would also re-sign Chatty if a reasonable deal can be agreed; he filled in well for Slavin on his off-side last year.

24-25:
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Pesce
Chatfield - Morrow

Long-term:
Slavin - Morrow
Nikishin - Pesce
?? - Chatfield
 
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The more I think about it the more I think Pesce will be back. I would also re-sign Chatty if a reasonable deal can be agreed; he filled in well for Slavin on his off-side last year.

24-25:
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Pesce
Chatfield - Morrow

Long-term:
Slavin - Morrow
Nikishin - Pesce
?? - Chatfield

I'm starting to lean this way as well. Not because I think he's a better long-term bet than Skjei, but because our LHD situation is much clearer than RHD. Orlov-Pesce is a damn good pairing on paper, too.
 

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The more I think about it the more I think Pesce will be back. I would also re-sign Chatty if a reasonable deal can be agreed; he filled in well for Slavin on his off-side last year.

24-25:
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Pesce
Chatfield - Morrow

Long-term:
Slavin - Morrow
Nikishin - Pesce
?? - Chatfield
I think it’s one or the other with Chatfield and Pesce. Assuming Burns is still breathing, he’s the de facto top pair RD and Morrow is the de facto bottom pair RD.

I think the first one out of Pesce/Chatfield to take the deal put in front of them is the one they end up keeping. Personally, I’d lean towards Pesce.

Also, certainly plausible that neither are back and perhaps they fill the 2nd pair RD slot with the anticipated Necas return.

Unpopular position.....I'd take Martin Necas 10 out of 10 times over an $8 million plus Guentzel. I'd also give KK one more bite at the apple. Started out the season great and fell off. Played well the year before....and as others have said actually had a good playoff.

When you take Blake, Nadeau, and Seeley out of the salary structure, we've got 14 guys signed with a bit over $30 million in cap space. If we can't get the deal we want with Jarvis, then you bridge him (2 years) at Bratt money.

Necas is a unique talent that we need to figure out how to fit into our system. As was said, we let him go and he lights us up every time we play against him. I do wonder if we could get Konecny or somebody like Batherson....the 1st for futures and the latter in a hockey trade. I'd also like us to make a run at Crouse, but I think Utak would be silly to let him go....unless a star came back.

Personally, I think the key question is Kuznetsov....it would all depend on if he could recommit to everything hockey. If so, he's our 2nd line center. If not, then I'm guessing we give Jarvis a shot.

I'm not sure what the lines would look like. But it is our defense that seems to be in the most turmoil. I'm assuming we re-sign Chatfield, so we have 4 out of 6 d-men signed. We'll need somebody to babysit Morrow, so who knows who that would be. I do recall that Brett Pesce played his off side quite well, so I wonder if that's an option.

Anyway, sorry for the random speculation....it just seems that we'll have to do some significant personnel changes.
Makes more sense to me to also to sign Necas over Guentzel, but I think Necas’ ticket has been punched out of town for a while now.

Don’t see how Kotkaniemi is back either, but wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t get moved. I think the buyout is a last resort. Regardless, I highly doubt both Kuznetsov and Kotkaniemi are on the roster come October, 1 of them, sure, but no way they tie up almost $9M in those 2 with all the other spots they need to fill.
 

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The more I think about it the more I think Pesce will be back. I would also re-sign Chatty if a reasonable deal can be agreed; he filled in well for Slavin on his off-side last year.

24-25:
Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Pesce
Chatfield - Morrow

Long-term:
Slavin - Morrow
Nikishin - Pesce
?? - Chatfield
Like the 6 but I'd find a way to get Burns off the top pair. His play has been dropping off.

I’d add, we need some more toughness on the back line. Small sample but didn’t see that from morrow in his couple of games either.
 
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Like the 6 but I'd find a way to get Burns off the top pair. His play has been dropping off.
I agree. Like I mentioned earlier unless he was playing with an injury the last quarter ofthe year was not good. Someone like Montour from Florida comes to mind for a top line d-man for the Canes.
 

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Like the 6 but I'd find a way to get Burns off the top pair. His play has been dropping off.
Don't disagree with Burns play but don't really seem to find a way around it next year. Orlov/Burns isn't really a good idea IMO and the only other option is putting a rookie Morrow there.

I agree. Like I mentioned earlier unless he was playing with an injury the last quarter ofthe year was not good. Someone like Montour from Florida comes to mind for a top line d-man for the Canes.
Montour is getting a huge contract; he'll be more expensive than Skjei. We won't and shouldn't be in on that.
 
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Don't disagree with Burns play but don't really seem to find a way around it next year. Orlov/Burns isn't really a good idea IMO and the only other option is putting a rookie Morrow there.


Montour is getting a huge contract; he'll be more expensive than Skjei. We won't and shouldn't be in on that.
I thought I read he would be in the 5 million a year category.. maybe I was thinking of someone else.
 

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every game. KK did not distinguish himself in either round. he's slow and a lazy skater. I want the kid to work out, trust me, but my eyes are not betraying me on him. His play was really bad this season. No jump, no confidence in carrying the puck and slow to react or position himself on D. It looked like he was paying hurt or had zero confidence for much of the year. Fearful of making a mistake kind of thing.
Most people disagree with you. I will say everything you said about him seemed true for most of the regular season, but he was high effort high energy every game in the playoffs.
 
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[QUOTE="spockBokk, post: 195692217, member: 206191

I think the first one out of Pesce/Chatfield to take the deal put in front of them is the one they end up keeping. Personally, I’d lean towards Pesce.
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I would rather have Chat but only because I feel their play quality is closer than their contracts are going to be. Chat will be the better value.
 
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