Roster Building (& Training Camp) XXIII: Re-signings, Re-considerations, Recriminations

chaz4hockey · 2024-10-03T14:13:12-0400

With Martin’s one-way contract, does his pay while in Chicago go against Canes cap hit or only when he is called up?

TheReelChuckFletcher · 2024-10-03T14:13:33-0400

Bub said:

Somewhat surprised, but the Patera claim and Martin's salary being one-way was probably helpful to get him through.

AhosDatsyukian · 2024-10-03T14:17:45-0400

Martin isn't really that good. Our system makes goalies not named LaFontaine look better than they are. Glad he cleared as it makes things simpler if we do wind up needing a 3rd goalie but reality is even if he was claimed we could manage with some other goalie in a pinch.

DaveG · 2024-10-03T14:23:31-0400

chaz4hockey said:
With Martin’s one-way contract, does his pay while in Chicago go against Canes cap hit or only when he is called up?

nope, he's under the 1.05M cap hit required for any overage on that number to accrue

cptjeff · 2024-10-03T14:29:10-0400

chaz4hockey said:
With Martin’s one-way contract, does his pay while in Chicago go against Canes cap hit or only when he is called up?

Anything above league minimum + 375k (so currently 1.125m) applies to the cap. If a one way contract at or under that threshold, the cap impact in the AHL is zero.

A Star is Burns · 2024-10-03T14:55:01-0400

AhosDatsyukian said:
Martin isn't really that good. Our system makes goalies not named LaFontaine look better than they are. Glad he cleared as it makes things simpler if we do wind up needing a 3rd goalie but reality is even if he was claimed we could manage with some other goalie in a pinch.

Yeah, it was great he was able to fill in a bit for us, but he's not a permanent NHL solution for most outside of injuries. At least a guy like Patera might still have a bit of youth and upside on his side (compared to Martin, at least). And we make most guys look good as you mention.

Blotto71 · 2024-10-03T16:04:31-0400

Cheers all - hoping you all and your families are safe and well.

Wondering if anyone has any insight into which of Andersen or Kochetkov is likely to see the majority of starts or who looks better at this point? Or is it more likely they split the season?

Appreciate any thoughts anyone has on the matter, my pool is drafting late so I thought I'd ask the folks that know best!

To Be Determined · 2024-10-03T16:34:07-0400

Blotto71 said:
Cheers all - hoping you all and your families are safe and well.

Wondering if anyone has any insight into which of Andersen or Kochetkov is likely to see the majority of starts or who looks better at this point? Or is it more likely they split the season?

Appreciate any thoughts anyone has on the matter, my pool is drafting late so I thought I'd ask the folks that know best!

board rule - for fantasy advice questions, you have to tell us the name of your fantasy team first. if it is good enough, or someone is in the mood to answer, then you get the info.

TheReelChuckFletcher · 2024-10-03T16:36:56-0400

A Star is Burns said:
Yeah, it was great he was able to fill in a bit for us, but he's not a permanent NHL solution for most outside of injuries. At least a guy like Patera might still have a bit of youth and upside on his side (compared to Martin, at least). And we make most guys look good as you mention.

Most teams don't expect the moon and the stars from third goalies, though. Goalies are a somewhat scarce commodity, however, especially when it comes to depth, which is why it isn't uncommon to see even veteran goalies like Martin claimed off of waivers.

Chrispy · 2024-10-03T16:46:32-0400

A Star is Burns said:
Yeah, it was great he was able to fill in a bit for us, but he's not a permanent NHL solution for most outside of injuries. At least a guy like Patera might still have a bit of youth and upside on his side (compared to Martin, at least). And we make most guys look good as you mention.

And “able to fill in a bit” is about all you can ask from a third goalie unless you have a prospect like Kochetkov on an ELC. And even then, he went on a couple hot stretches but came crashing back down.

Martin is exactly what they needed to find and it’s good he cleared and can prepare to play in Chicago.

Blotto71 · 2024-10-03T16:57:48-0400

To Be Determined said:
board rule - for fantasy advice questions, you have to tell us the name of your fantasy team first. if it is good enough, or someone is in the mood to answer, then you get the info.

Fair rule. We don't name our teams in this pool, but if I did, mine would be Ogilthorpe's Posse. Grew up with Slap Shot and love old time hockey!

Bub · 2024-10-03T17:56:54-0400

Blotto71 said:
Fair rule. We don't name our teams in this pool, but if I did, mine would be Ogilthorpe's Posse. Grew up with Slap Shot and love old time hockey!

DaveG · 2024-10-03T18:04:14-0400

Blotto71 said:
Fair rule. We don't name our teams in this pool, but if I did, mine would be Ogilthorpe's Posse. Grew up with Slap Shot and love old time hockey!

So tough to say who looks better as each only got one pre season game so far. If I had to guess on who's going to get most of the starts it's Kooch at like a 60-40/65-35 type split.

Surrounded By Ahos · 2024-10-03T18:59:35-0400

Blotto71 said:
Fair rule. We don't name our teams in this pool, but if I did, mine would be Ogilthorpe's Posse. Grew up with Slap Shot and love old time hockey!

Piss on old time hockey!

Blotto71 · 2024-10-03T19:17:27-0400

Surrounded By Ahos said:
Piss on old time hockey!

Old time hockey and I don't have that kind of relationship.

cptjeff · 2024-10-03T19:23:15-0400

Blotto71 said:
Old time hockey and I don't have that kind of relationship.

I'd make a joke about sisters in law and certain prominent individuals in our state, but that would be a no-no, so I won't.

Derailed75 · 2024-10-03T19:31:21-0400

Believe the plan is for Koochie to be the 1A and Freddy to be the 1B

JustPenalties · 2024-10-03T20:14:07-0400

Nikishin Go Boom said:
Just waiting for the first round of big cuts to see who is sticking around/if a prospect will make the roster out of camp.

This is a season of answering questions (hopefully not creating more) and a bridge to next season with a potentially youthful roster

"Potentially youthful roster". Damn, so did we get back to that "just a couple more years and we will make a deep run"?

And yeah, I do think Canes will be a playoff team but to be honest I dont just dont see this roster winning a cup.

Hopefully I am wrong, but winning a cup would require huge steps from a alot of guys.

I dont know, maybe I am just a bit fed up with the "Rod style Canes", especially now when Rod made such a long contract. Yeah it is effective to a certain point but it just seems that in playoffs other teams figure it out.. and its also just a boring way to play hockey. Sometimes it just feels that this kind of system is just some data analysts wet dream

JustPenalties · 2024-10-03T20:17:39-0400

Blotto71 said:
Cheers all - hoping you all and your families are safe and well.

Wondering if anyone has any insight into which of Andersen or Kochetkov is likely to see the majority of starts or who looks better at this point? Or is it more likely they split the season?

Appreciate any thoughts anyone has on the matter, my pool is drafting late so I thought I'd ask the folks that know best!

Most likely Andersen will get injured and Kochetkov will have to start majority of the games anyway.

Nikishin Go Boom · 2024-10-03T20:24:46-0400

JustPenalties said:
"Potentially youthful roster". Damn, so did we get back to that "just a couple more years and we will make a deep run"?

And yeah, I do think Canes will be a playoff team but to be honest I dont just dont see this roster winning a cup. Hopefully I am wrong, but winning a cup would require huge steps from a alot of guys.

I dont know, maybe I am just a bit fed up with the "Rod style Canes", especially now when Rod made such a long contract. Yeah it is effective to a certain point but it just seems that in playoffs other teams figure it out.. and its also just a boring way to play hockey. Sometimes it just feels that this kind of system is just some data analysts wet dream

We may have a youthful roster in 25-26 if the hyped prospects are as advertised.

Its hard to know what we will be this season as serious contenders with kooch as the starter and a different defense. We should be a playoff team.

the halleJOKEL · 2024-10-03T20:39:01-0400

looks like blake is playing with the mostly pro lineup for the exhibition game tomorrow night

A Star is Burns · 2024-10-03T20:47:32-0400

the halleJOKEL said:
looks like blake is playing with the mostly pro lineup for the exhibition game tomorrow night

I was wondering if they might give all three of FUS, Nadeau, and Blake a chance with vets this game but this probably shows Blake is still far ahead in their eyes.

Nikishin Go Boom · 2024-10-03T21:00:14-0400

A Star is Burns said:
I was wondering if they might give all three of FUS, Nadeau, and Blake a chance with vets this game but this probably shows Blake is still far ahead in their eyes.

I think they are prioritizing age, contract slide, and letting FUS play center

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