Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

[Fitzy]

If the season is over, what a shitty last year for Henrik

You either die a hero... Ect.

All will be forgiven at the Jersey retirement ceremony.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The Rangers would not need him to be a stat compiler. They would need for him to be exactly who he is.

Not sure why you quoted just that part of my post since we agree that contributing points wouldn't be the reason to sign him.

 

[bobbop]

Brooks has a new article up talking about how the league may deal with the “pause”.

Two of the concepts he floats — negotiated amnesty buyouts and the possibility of expanded playoffs — are both ideas I have floated. Depending on the situation both may have merit and both could have a profound effect on the Rangers.

Can you imagine if the Rangers could remove $9-10MM off the books this summer?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Brooks has a new article up talking about how the league may deal with the “pause”.

Two of the concepts he floats — negotiated amnesty buyouts and the possibility of expanded playoffs — are both ideas I have floated. Depending on the situation both may have merit and both could have a profound effect on the Rangers.

Can you imagine if the Rangers could remove $9-10MM off the books this summer?

Amnesty buyouts would be a godsend for this team, which still has a whopping $7.5M in buyout cap penalties next year.

Gorton's BY FAR worst move as a GM was buying out Shatty instead of buying out Staal and trading Namestnikov a few weeks earlier.

Shatty would have been significantly overpaid for his role, but we would've fit under the cap this season and had less of a cap hit this upcoming one with a significantly better defenceman on the roster.

Smith-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
DeAngelo-Shattenkirk

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Brooks has a new article up talking about how the league may deal with the “pause”.

Two of the concepts he floats — negotiated amnesty buyouts and the possibility of expanded playoffs — are both ideas I have floated. Depending on the situation both may have merit and both could have a profound effect on the Rangers.

Can you imagine if the Rangers could remove $9-10MM off the books this summer?

I wonder if that number of amnesty buyouts would have to be negotiated with the NHLPA? I'm not sure the PA would be happy if teams were able to buyout an unlimited number of players, even if they players would still get the standard buyout pay (or i could be totally thinking of this the wrong way).

If it was unlimited the Rangers would free up the contracts of Staal and Lundqvist, possibly Smith as well. That would be $14 to $18.5MM in freed up space.

In hindsight, the Rangers could have moved Skjei in a trade that wasnt in futures, but the Rangers could have had that thought process regardless of their cap situation.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I wonder if that number of amnesty buyouts would have to be negotiated with the NHLPA? I'm not sure the PA would be happy if teams were able to buyout an unlimited number of players, even if they players would still get the standard buyout pay (or i could be totally thinking of this the wrong way).

If it was unlimited the Rangers would free up the contracts of Staal and Lundqvist, possibly Smith as well. That would be $14 to $18.5MM in freed up space.

In hindsight, the Rangers could have moved Skjei in a trade that wasnt in futures, but the Rangers could have had that thought process regardless of their cap situation.

How did it work last time? The easy way to do it is to allow amnesty buyouts, but the teams have to pay the full contract value.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Where would we pick now if no more games are to be played? I found it complicated

Just out of range of the difference makers.

 

[Ola]

Brooks has a new article up talking about how the league may deal with the “pause”.

Two of the concepts he floats — negotiated amnesty buyouts and the possibility of expanded playoffs — are both ideas I have floated. Depending on the situation both may have merit and both could have a profound effect on the Rangers.

Can you imagine if the Rangers could remove $9-10MM off the books this summer?

From my POV, emergency buy-outs must be -- really -- unlikely. If the league shuts down and can start again next fall, and there are no major lasting effects, revenue this season will not be affected by what happened this year. Sure the mechanism of the CBA would give a drastically lower cap -- but why would the league and/or the players want that? The league couldn't care less what the cap is, there would just be reversed escrow so to speak. I.e. the players would get compensated more than their salary, if 50% of the earnings exceed what the teams have paid.

Even if there would be reason to believe that earnings will be lower next season due to lasting effects, I still think its very unlikely that we will see emergency buy-outs. For the same reason as above, the cba, each players salary, the Cap, the floor -- its all just a mechanism to fork over 50% of the earnings divided to the players. Sure people can complain about escrow -- but all players are in this together. If there are buy-outs -- that money comes from the players' share too. Its a partnership, the NHL would never agree to anything else. So the two parties must sit down and agree on what to do. From a pure economical POV the owners couldn't care less what the result is. The player has a decision to make. Either they keep the cap flat -- and everyone takes the same hit. Or they roll back the cap to say 60 m, and screw all free agents and let a few guys get a boat load of their share of the money from a buy-out, and they still probably face escrow.

Could that even be an option they would consider?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

How did it work last time? The easy way to do it is to allow amnesty buyouts, but the teams have to pay the full contract value.

I cant remember. I think it was 2 but not 100% sure.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I cant remember. I think it was 2 but not 100% sure.

Yeah it was two and I looked it up, the buyouts were like regular ones in terms of money - 2/3 and 1/3 for U26.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They can take away sports, but the one thing they will never take from us is the rampant speculation, posturing, arguing, pipe dreaming, over hyping, under hyping and dream trades of the roster building speculation trade proposal threads on HF. WE WILL NEVER STOP.

 

[Savant]

Amnesty buyouts would be a godsend for this team, which still has a whopping $7.5M in buyout cap penalties next year.

Gorton's BY FAR worst move as a GM was buying out Shatty instead of buying out Staal and trading Namestnikov a few weeks earlier.

Shatty would have been significantly overpaid for his role, but we would've fit under the cap this season and had less of a cap hit this upcoming one with a significantly better defenceman on the roster.

Smith-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
DeAngelo-Shattenkirk

They bought out Shattenkirk to make room for Fox

 

[True Blue]

But you can't simply stockpile until everything is proven... at some point you have to take a leap of faith on your prospect depth working out.

Therein lies the disconnect. The Rangers management believes just that. Which is why they are no longer going to be trading production for the promises of production 4 years down the line. Whereas you are advocating continuing to stockpile at the expense of elite level performance of young players.

 

[True Blue]

If we get Lafreniere, he’s the 4th best winger on the team immediately at worst. 2nd at best.

He would be instantly better than Kreider, making him for an instant impact top line wing?

How the lessons of Kappo Kakko are never learned.....

 

[True Blue]

The rest of your post is pretty spot on. This is going to quickly become a win now team. If not last year, then certainly the year after.

I believe that to be in two years. Next year, they will still have to deal with tight cap space. The year after, should probably be all hands on deck. Especially when looking at how all of the pieces have come together.

 

[Leetch3]

Amnesty buyouts would be a godsend for this team, which still has a whopping $7.5M in buyout cap penalties next year.

the amnesty buyouts aren't going to be the benefit that you might be thinking...if the league has them it will be to offset the lost revenue and the lowered cap for next year. there are 189 regular season games left which is just under 15%....then you have potentially 105 playoff games (if all go 7) and they make more per game during the playoffs. so in the worst case scenario where they don't play again at all this year, its probably not crazy to guestimate that the HRR will drop 20-25% based on estimates.

obviously that is the worst case scenario and we are hoping the season resumes and we get a playoffs...but the potential exists that those buyouts will simply offset the reduced cap and keep us even, without them we wouldn't be able to operate...

and there is also no long term benefit for us cause we have almost no one signed long term...other teams can use it to get out of bad long term contracts or potential future recapture penalties, and then be off the hook in future years when the cap goes back up to normal levels. but we'd be buying out guys in the final year of their contracts so there is no benefits in future years.

 

[Tawnos]

If next year is a transition year its because the FO did a horrible job this summer and/or the coaching staff is still forcing non NHL players on the ice.

I'm not a believer in a "cup formula" but this team has most of the components that you would need to classify as a contender.

Some people are acting as if this team is being carried by Panarin and Zibanejad while ignoring the out puts by DeAngelo, Fox, Lindgren, Shesty (small sample size at the NHL level, but hes had a huge NA pro season), Kreider (who half of the board was going nuts over before he re-signed), etc.

The holes they have to fill are the easier ones to take care of and they have some really good in house options who are already with the team to grow into those roles (or more.)

Most glaring ones being a quality LHD (who can PK and defend with out murdering offense), a strong 2 way middle 6 forward, and another forward with some bite.

Stupid Lias.

People keep interpreting "transitional year" to mean that I think they'll be bad. I don't. I mean it's still a transitional year in the way that, for example, 06-07 was still a transitional year for the Penguins.

There's still a lot to learn for the core youth of this team. As good as those D have been, they're still inexperienced. And we'll be adding even more youth next season.

I was saying the same thing you're saying about the D to someone in a conversation yesterday. Even with Panarin and Zib playing at a high level, this team was still bad until the D started to improve... and of course the goaltending. But this is still a team that hasn't hit its stride, and simply filling roster holes isn't going to get them there.

 

[NYSPORTS]

i would think an amnesty buyout would hurt the Seattle expansion draft as teams would buyout an extra player they don’t want to protect followed by protecting a player they do want to protect.

(edit) - then again, the NHL could modify the rules and allow teams fewer to protect.

 

[Kovalev27]

Hank would be gone. Immediately it would be 8.5 mil off the cap. Gone just like that in the case of an amnesty buy out.

would be too big not to utilize.

If you got just one amnesty buy out it would be negligence not to use it.

What would be really interesting is what happens to rinne price Bet they’d be bought out as well

 

[GAGLine]

Gorton's BY FAR worst move as a GM was buying out Shatty instead of buying out Staal and trading Namestnikov a few weeks earlier.

There was an offer on the table for Namestnikov prior to the season?

 

[mas0764]

If we get Lafreniere, he’s the 4th best winger on the team immediately at worst. 2nd at best.

And way more importantly than whatever the hell happens next year.... he's eventually one of the best wingers in the league most likely.

 

[Vitto79]

Can we get 3 amnesty buyouts ? Thanks

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Every team in the league must be salivating at the idea of a compliance buyout. The Rangers don't have a long term deal that's bad enough, but teams like Florida, San Jose and Minnesota are probably praying it happens.

Imagine Florida getting a do-over chance on that Bobrovsky contract

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers have the same risk with DeAngelo too. I actually think he’s a higher risk than Fox but I don’t see either as truly high risk.

Unless someone overwhelms the Rangers, I’m just fine keeping all three. Lundkvist can marinate for a year in Hartford. Time will give everyone a clearer picture of what those next steps could/should be.

The rest of your post is pretty spot on. This is going to quickly become a win now team. If not last year, then certainly the year after.

I'm pretty much with you.... but I consider the 2OA (Byfield or Stutzle) an overwhelming offer.

I'm not trying to ship out DeAngelo, but I am trying to address a mid-to-long-term organizational need: More top-6 or top-line talent, especially at center.

If you can deal Lundkvist for, oh, I dunno, Alex Turcotte (just making up names), then fine. But absent that moving DeAngelo for a shot at an elite C prospect could be the right move, because you are filling the hole at forward and you still have every bit enough ammo to be a great defensive team with Fox-Trouba-Lundkvist. You aren't going from 60 point DeAngelo to 15 point Marc Staal back there. You are going from 60 point DeAngelo to ..... 50 point Fox? 55 point Fox? 60 point Fox? I mean, Fox has already put up 40+ this year as a 21 year old.... he was probably going to approach 50.... if we are assuming DeAngelo isn't going to regress down from 60 (a career-high sounding number), then it's just as fair to assume Fox is gonna continue to increase his output as he approaches 24.

 

[mas0764]

He would be instantly better than Kreider, making him for an instant impact top line wing?

How the lessons of Kappo Kakko are never learned.....

What "lessons of Kaapo Kakko"? We have a future stud who is gonna dominate the league on our hands.